• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Rosenstein: Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers [W:47]

Athanasius68 said:
The Ukrainian contracts had concrete results-- Manafort was fired. In other words, there is more concrete evidence that Clinton allowed foreign interference in the election than Trump.
Its called meddling.
Click to expand...

With the GOP house/senate and President, if they had anything on Hillary anything at all she would have been hung by now. Keep dreaming. All you guys seem to have is "But Hillary - but Obama".
 
j-mac said:
Didn't say that, but I certainly am not going to go over what has been covered in numerous articles, not to mention probably a hundred threads in here that I am sure you have already been schooled on, but want me to waste my time laying out a case that you will simply dismiss....I am not going to do that....It isn't that I can't, it is that I don't think you are worth the energy....not to mention also, in a thread that has NOTHING to do with Hillary to the extent that we need to argue her criminality....



Sticking with your seeming mentality in here, he who smelt it, dealt it.
Click to expand...


OMG you guys are hilarious tonight. Thank you so much for the much need humor.
 
j-mac said:
So, that's the standard eh? Don't worry what every American with an education above the 7th grade understands, that she was as corrupt, and criminal as they come, but hey, because she was able to thwart successful investigations of her, Foget about it.....Really?
Click to expand...

Why do you hate her so much?? I mean seriously?? You really don't believe that she was investigated 7 times and there was nothing?? Can't be because she's blonde can it?
 
jghiretire said:
With the GOP house/senate and President, if they had anything on Hillary anything at all she would have been hung by now. Keep dreaming. All you guys seem to have is "But Hillary - but Obama".
Click to expand...

The "but Hillary" line has generally been a rather thoughtless response to a request that context and standards apply.
When used in response to the observation that the only confirmed foreign involvement in the 2016 that resulted in actual action, was by Ukraine in support of Clinton, is risible and a sign of vapidness.
 
Mach said:
So many you didn't name one? The primary serious crime, just name it.
Remember, it has to meet your own standard, it has to be what the investigation was started FOR, not what they dug up that was entirely unrelated.

Please, just one big one that would be of serious national consequence.
Click to expand...
Let's start with a few recent ones. Evidence tampering. Using bleachbit, ya know, to erase data from the hard drives of her server in the closet. Passing classified documents to Uma and her pals...and husband... and others who weren't authorized to receive classified information. That enough, for starters? You don't think those are crimes? Well, Comey, the shill, may not think so, but Comey isn't qualified, one way or other, to know nor make that decision.
 
Last edited:
jghiretire said:
Why do you hate her so much?? I mean seriously??
Click to expand...

Hillary Clinton is a detestable Washington DC creature that represents all that is wrong with progressive liberals period!

- She's a liar
- She's corrupt
- She and her husband enrich themselves off the backs of the office, and the people they are supposed to represent.
- She professes to care, but even in the face of a (in her own words) close friend dying in a God forsaken, war torn country, she gets in front of a committee and has the gaul to utter the words "at this point, what does it matter"...
- She represents an ideology that if left unchecked would destroy this country's freedom in favor of a failed socialist construct.
- She's vitriolic
- She's shrill
- She's scheming, conniving, immoral, dishonest, and a flat out liar...Plus, she has a certain ora of entitlement that she is above the law....

I don't like when people speak of those deceased as in being glad they are passed, but in her case, that's one individual the world would be better off without....

You really don't believe that she was investigated 7 times and there was nothing??
Click to expand...

I believe that some of the investigations were ill advised, and stupid, and there was nothing in them to carry forward with. At the same time, the latest investigations as in her deralection of duty as SoS concerning those who died at the compound in Benghazi, was a travesty, and revealed just how unconcerned for other people she really is. And the email server scandal where there were a host of crimes committed, but covered for by a corrupt DoJ system to include her good family friend James Comey, who btw, played the same role in clearing her of the Whitewater crap, for surprisingly the same reasons, is a great blow to the notion of equal justice....Then there is the Clinton foundation, where the Clinton's (including Chelsea) were selling access for personal enrichment...

I think most rational people know that the Clinton's are corrupt trash.

Can't be because she's blonde can it?
Click to expand...

Oh, you think you're funny? You really should save that kind of crap for your serial twitter hate postings.
 
cabse5 said:
Let's start with a few recent ones. Evidence tampering. Using bleachbit, ya know, to erase data from the hard drives of her server in the closet. Passing classified documents to Uma and her pals...and husband... and others who weren't authorized to receive classified information. That enough, for starters? You don't think those are crimes? Well, Comey, the shill, may not think so, but Comey isn't qualified, one way or other, to know nor make that decision.
Click to expand...

#1 They only found these AFTER their witch hunter to investigate here. The were not investigating any crime, and had no evidence, prior to investigating Clinton.
#2 None of these approach the seriousness of the Russia/election investigation.
 
The vapidness of response rests solely on the "but Hillary" gang.

The thinking 2/3ds of the country dismisses that vapidity.
 
Anthony60 said:
Why not? As long as no one willing lied, I think it's fine. It's part his power to check the over reaching of the "Special Counsel".
Click to expand...
If you mean by "he" the Deputy AG, you are right. He has said that Mueller, if he finds anything beyond the remit, is to come to him, and they will decide whether to go forward. Trump has nothing to do with that.
 
JamesBY said:
If you mean by "he" the Deputy AG, you are right. He has said that Mueller, if he finds anything beyond the remit, is to come to him, and they will decide whether to go forward. Trump has nothing to do with that.
Click to expand...

Last I looked, AG can't give a Presidential pardon to anyone. The only thing Trump has to do with either of them is that they both work for the executive branch, led by Trump, with plenary power over it.
 
Anthony60 said:
Last I looked, AG can't give a Presidential pardon to anyone. The only thing Trump has to do with either of them is that they both work for the executive branch, led by Trump, with plenary power over it.
Click to expand...
If he tries to directly fire Mueller, Rosenstein will get a court injunction against the President. Trump will go after Rosenstein first, then try to appoint someone who will fire Mueller. The the GOP Congress, just waiting for such an opportunity to replace Trump with a real conservative, will begin impeachment proceedings.
 
jghiretire said:
Why do you hate her so much?? I mean seriously?? You really don't believe that she was investigated 7 times and there was nothing?? Can't be because she's blonde can it?
Click to expand...

Seems the left is good with her not being prosecuted because she was able to destroy tremendous amounts of evidence. There's something seriously wrong with that position.
 
JamesBY said:
If he tries to directly fire Mueller, Rosenstein will get a court injunction against the President. Trump will go after Rosenstein first, then try to appoint someone who will fire Mueller. The the GOP Congress, just waiting for such an opportunity to replace Trump with a real conservative, will begin impeachment proceedings.
Click to expand...

No, he won't, because he can't. There is nothing in the Constitution that would allow him to do that. Besides, Trump would just fire his ass if he tried that.
Just as Trump has the power to fire them both, Congress has the power to impeach a President.

And just as Trump may not fire them because of the threat of impeachment, Congress might not be so willing to try and impeach a President that was just elected.

As a voter, I would not be to happy with that type of action. I get pretty angry when anyone tries to nullify my vote. Especially good for nothing losers like Congress.
 
Anthony60 said:
No, he won't, because he can't. There is nothing in the Constitution that would allow him to do that. Besides, Trump would just fire his ass if he tried that.
Just as Trump has the power to fire them both, Congress has the power to impeach a President.

And just as Trump may not fire them because of the threat of impeachment, Congress might not be so willing to try and impeach a President that was just elected.

As a voter, I would not be to happy with that type of action. I get pretty angry when anyone tries to nullify my vote. Especially good for nothing losers like Congress.
Click to expand...
You clearly do not understand Trump's powers and the limitations on them. Nobody really cares about who voted for Trump now. Many of them no longer care about Trump.
 
JamesBY said:
You clearly do not understand Trump's powers and the limitations on them. Nobody really cares about who voted for Trump now. Many of them no longer care about Trump.
Click to expand...

Oh, please then, educate us all.
 
What would happen if Trump was innocent, and this entire exercise is the revenge of the swamp things? What should be done to the swamp things? In my opinion, the Trump team knows this is nothing but a legal scam, and they are preparing their own counter offensive based on facts and evidence against Hillary and key members of the swamp. This will be part of fall programming when school is back in session under the new secretary of education.
 
wellwisher said:
What would happen if Trump was innocent, and this entire exercise is the revenge of the swamp things? What should be done to the swamp things? In my opinion, the Trump team knows this is nothing but a legal scam, and they are preparing their own counter offensive based on facts and evidence against Hillary and key members of the swamp. This will be part of fall programming when school is back in session under the new secretary of education.
Click to expand...
Wow, I did not realize that Trump and Co. has put out a children's story book for the new school year. Does it come with orange crayons for the pictures?
 
Re: Rosenstein: Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers

Harry Guerrilla said:
It existed on here and in the media.

What is the Hatch Act -- and did James Comey break it? - CNNPolitics
Click to expand...

Did you sense that it gained any real traction? Certainly during Obama's term, Comey stuck around.

The timing was the most problematic. I do not think if it was disclosed a lot sooner it would have been so much of a problem.

I do not doubt it existed here....look at the hyperbole on both sides of the aisle. Are you ever THAT surprised at some of the crap some people profess to believe?:lamo
 
wellwisher said:
What would happen if Trump was innocent, and this entire exercise is the revenge of the swamp things? What should be done to the swamp things? In my opinion, the Trump team knows this is nothing but a legal scam, and they are preparing their own counter offensive based on facts and evidence against Hillary and key members of the swamp. This will be part of fall programming when school is back in session under the new secretary of education.
Click to expand...

It is not an either or.

Just because Trump may be innocent doesn't mean the situation never should have been looked into.

Frankly, I think Trump and Co. has a lot to do with the firestorm this turned into. The lies that were told from the get go should give anyone pause.
 
Re: Rosenstein: Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers

year2late said:
Did you sense that it gained any real traction? Certainly during Obama's term, Comey stuck around.

The timing was the most problematic. I do not think if it was disclosed a lot sooner it would have been so much of a problem.

I do not doubt it existed here....look at the hyperbole on both sides of the aisle. Are you ever THAT surprised at some of the crap some people profess to believe?:lamo
Click to expand...

Of course it didn't gain any traction, it was just there, said by certain somebodies here.
That I won't mention.
 
Mach said:
#1 They only found these AFTER their witch hunter to investigate here. The were not investigating any crime, and had no evidence, prior to investigating Clinton.
#2 None of these approach the seriousness of the Russia/election investigation.
Click to expand...
Your quoted post is your yeah, but, response when you challenged a poster to name 'just one crime' of Hillary Clinton?? Here's my response to the last line of your post I quoted: What about the tampering of the 2016 election by the DNC? You know, conspiring to get Hillary nominated as presidential candidate for the DNC? How about the public school system conspiring to produce students affiliated with the progressive movement? What about the conspiring of the MSM by slanting their news bias towards the progressive point of view? Those last two conspiratorial 'plans' have been affectiing American elections for, probably, decades of American elections but you want to cry about the affecting of the 2016 election by, possibly, Russia by hacking the DNC database and creating popups on election websites?? Why aren't those conspiracies of American elections equal in comparison to Russia??
 
Last edited:
cabse5 said:
Your quoted post is your yeah, but, response when you challenged a poster to name 'just one crime' of Hillary Clinton??
Click to expand...
I did respond, in case you missed it, I'll show you what was being discussed so you don't get it wrong again.

Trump-trolls continue to claim that since no crime has been attributed to Trump, the investigation is improper.
When Bill's affair was probed, it was not related in any way to any crime he was investigated for.
When Hillary was investigated over and over for Benghazi, the Benghazi investigation began with no Hillary crime stated or evidenced.

Trump is seemingly investigated on and off by special counsel Mueller as related directly to his initial charge, to investigate the Russia meddling in the U.S. election, and ties in that meddling to Trump's campaign. Noting of course that Putin was helping Trump and hurting Clinton.

So to suggest that somehow Bill and Hillary's investigations were proper WITHOUT a crime, and with them ending up going in ENTIRELY different directions than the original investigation....
vs
Mueller's investigation of suspected crimes, with reams of circumstantial evidence, is NOT proper.

.. IS STUPID AS ****.

You don't have an example of a crime that was the impetus for the Benghazi - partisan- Republican attempt to wound Hillary, because there wasn't any.
Republicans in power hammered democrats, that's not also not surprising, how obviously partisan.
Mueller IS a republican, investigating a Republican president. Much harder to call that partisan, but you'll still try I'm sure.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom