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Rosenstein: Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers [W:47]

Re: Rosenstein: Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers

Tanngrisnir said:
Irrelevant. He was investigating the Trump campaign, which Trump fired him to stop.
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He was fired because he wouldn't publicly clear Trump.
The statements from both Comey and Trump are consistent with this.
 
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Fishking said:
Yes, it's true. They can go wherever anything they uncover takes them. This is why the seemingly bias composition of the Special Counsel is a concern. They can basically go on indefinitely until they find some kind of technicality. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton.
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Except for the pesky fact that there is no such bias, you cannot substantiate that there is any bias and the guy who hired them all is a lifelong conservative republican with an unimpeachable record.

You should really consider worrying about things that are based in reality.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Huh. So you think obstruction of justice is 'the best idea'? OK. That's an odd thing to think.
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Making things up, eh? No obstruction of justice happened, unless you are referring to Hillary, who purposefully didn't turn over all her emails and used Bleachbit to scrub her hard drives. Not complying with an actual subpoena would definitely fall into the category of obstruction of justice while doing what you're legally authorized to do doesn't.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
He was fired because he wouldn't publicly clear Trump.
The statements from both Comey and Trump are consistent with this.
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LOL! Newp. He stated he fired him twice, on the record, to stop the Russia probe.

To deny that is to deny reality and if you're not intersted in reality, we're done here.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Ah, yes. As vacous and irrelevant as ever. Pointing out factual data isn't about any conspiracy.

Please try again.
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Yes, I'm sure you really believe it to be factual.
 
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Fishking said:
Making things up, eh? No obstruction of justice happened, unless you are referring to Hillary, who purposefully didn't turn over all her emails and used Bleachbit to scrub her hard drives. Not complying with an actual subpoena would definitely fall into the category of obstruction of justice while doing what you're legally authorized to do doesn't.
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No, I haven't made anything up. You can pretend I did, just you'll just look foolish.

A. He admitted to have done so to stope the Russia probe.
B. This isn't about your pathological obsession with Clinton.
C. Nice fail.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Except for the pesky fact that there is no such bias, you cannot substantiate that there is any bias and the guy who hired them all is a lifelong conservative republican with an unimpeachable record.

You should really consider worrying about things that are based in reality.
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The guy who hired them is a life-long establishment person, who most definitely doesn't have an unimpeachable record. For one thing, he utterly lied to the entire country with his made up "intent" requirement. As far as the composition of the Special Counsel, that's already been covered and proven, unlike your unsubstantiated claims.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
No, I haven't made anything up. You can pretend I did, just you'll just look foolish.

A. He admitted to have done so to stope the Russia probe.
B. This isn't about your pathological obsession with Clinton.
C. Nice fail.
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A. No he didn't. That's what you've been told but that is simply not the case.
B. I'm pointing out actual obstruction of justice vs your made up version of obstruction of justice. Again, doing your legally authorized duties is not obstruction of justice, no matter how desperately you want it to be.
C. *yawn*
 
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Fishking said:
Yes, it's true. They can go wherever anything they uncover takes them. This is why the seemingly bias composition of the Special Counsel is a concern. They can basically go on indefinitely until they find some kind of technicality. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton.
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But my point. Mueller may be looking for things to uncover. I don't believe he can do that, but he seems to be doing that.

Clinton is in no way related to this issue.
 
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Of course the rule is always follow the money. It was true in Watergate and it will prove true here.

There are two things Trump is more concerned with than anything else
1- protecting his financial empire and the connections with Russians found within it so he can keep the phony fairy tale that he is some sort of business genius,
2- fighting the charge that the Russian interference on his behalf makes him illegitimate

Both are centered around Donald Trumps public image and that is what he wants to protect more than anything - and that includes his family who will see the underside of the bus if necessary to save his own skin.

Both are nightmares that will become reality for Trump before Mueller is done with his sorry behind.

Of course Mueller can delve into Trumps finances because in doing that he undercover the motivation for all the too cozy kissy face relationship and fascination with the Russians.
 
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jimbo said:
But my point. Mueller may be looking for things to uncover. I don't believe he can do that, but he seems to be doing that.

Clinton is in no way related to this issue.
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Yes, he can look on indefinitely until something is uncovered. And Bill Clinton was merely an example of that happening, both were subject to investigation from a Special Counsel and what he ended up getting caught out in had zero to do with what the Counsel was formed for. This demonstrates that you're wrong about the Special Counsel not being able to expand into anything they want.
 
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Fishking said:
Yes, I'm sure you really believe it to be factual.
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I'm not at all suprised given your level of intellectualy dishonesty that you're compelled to pretend it's not.
 
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Fishking said:
The guy who hired them is a life-long establishment person, who most definitely doesn't have an unimpeachable record. For one thing, he utterly lied to the entire country with his made up "intent" requirement. As far as the composition of the Special Counsel, that's already been covered and proven, unlike your unsubstantiated claims.
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Yawn. Deny reality to your heart's content. No skin off my teeth.

And, no, as far as the composition, that hasen't bee proven, nor can you do so now.
 
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Fishking said:
A. No he didn't. That's what you've been told but that is simply not the case.
B. I'm pointing out actual obstruction of justice vs your made up version of obstruction of justice. Again, doing your legally authorized duties is not obstruction of justice, no matter how desperately you want it to be.
C. *yawn*
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A. Yes, he did. Twice. Once on TV to Lester Holt, once to the Russians in the White House. It's on the record. Run, Forrest, RUN!
B. In your bumbling way, perhaps, but it actually IS obstruction of justice. It's OK that you're so emotionally invested in false narrative that you have to cling to that fiction.
C. Yay! Moar fail!
 
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Fishking said:
No it wasn't. Comey was an establishment shill that let the establishment criminal, Hillary Clinton, walk. He even went so far as to make up a criteria for her crimes out of thin air, that being the requirement to prove intent, which wasn't needed.
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an establishment shill that announced he was reopening the investigation just before election day.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
I'm not at all suprised given your level of intellectualy dishonesty that you're compelled to pretend it's not.
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You can't substantiate your claims. That's all there is to it.

Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. Deny reality to your heart's content. No skin off my teeth.

And, no, as far as the composition, that hasen't bee proven, nor can you do so now.
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Everything I stated was reality. There was no need for intent. Comey lied and let Hillary off the hook. That's a fact.

Tanngrisnir said:
A. Yes, he did. Twice. Once on TV to Lester Holt, once to the Russians in the White House. It's on the record. Run, Forrest, RUN!
B. In your bumbling way, perhaps, but it actually IS obstruction of justice. It's OK that you're so emotionally invested in false narrative that you have to cling to that fiction.
C. Yay! Moar fail!
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Substantiate you claim with documented fact.
 
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Newt Gingrich‏:
"Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down."
 
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Fishking said:
You can't substantiate your claims. That's all there is to it.
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LOL! Says the guy who has made laughably, wildly dishonest claims and desperately needs to be taken seriously.
Everything I stated was reality. There was no need for intent. Comey lied and let Hillary off the hook. That's a fact.
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Irrelevant to the fact that Trump likely commited OOJ and is being investigated for it. Please continue to obsess with her elsewhere.
Substantiate you claim with documented fact.
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It's on the record. Both on the TV record and the WH's record of what was said.

Look, you're in waaaaay over your head again, don't know the details (that are easily w/in a 10 sec Goog search) and don't care to discuss things based in reality. Like always.

You'll have to play your reindeer games all by yourself.

I'm simply not interested in back and forth posts with such intellectual dishonesty.
 
Re: Rosenstein: Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers

Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! Says the guy who has made laughably, wildly dishonest claims and desperately needs to be taken seriously.

Irrelevant to the fact that Trump likely commited OOJ and is being investigated for it. Please continue to obsess with her elsewhere.

It's on the record. Both on the TV record and the WH's record of what was said.

Look, you're in waaaaay over your head again, don't know the details (that are easily w/in a 10 sec Goog search) and don't care to discuss things based in reality. Like always.

You'll have to play your reindeer games all by yourself.

I'm simply not interested in back and forth posts with such intellectual dishonesty.
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Soooo....you have nothing. Gotcha.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
The personal remarks need to stop. Focus on the topic please rather than each other and who's vacuous and so on.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Pre election dems: Comey should be charged with a crime and resign.
Post election dems: Comey is a hero.

:shrug:
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Pre election repubs: Comey is a hero.
Post election repubs: Comey should be charged with a crime and resign.

:shrug:
 
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Fishking said:
You all are just now figuring out Special Counsel can go after anything they uncover during the investigation? How do you think we ended up getting to the point where Bill Clinton was called out for getting BJs in the Oval Office? The Special Counsel there wasn't made to find out Bill's sexual dalliances but that's where it ended up.
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Thumbs up. This 'rule of special prosecutions' has so much a different focus on crimes than what would be expected on you or me or anyone else except for politicians (usually president, why set up a special prosecutor for a dog catcher?) It seems VERY POLITICAL. Nothing may be found but anything can be considered a crime and will harass the current administration for YEARS. Wait for the dems to gain control of the house to impeach the president and dems to gain control of the senate to convict the president.
 
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