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U.S. Added 209,000 Jobs in July; Unemployment at 4.3%

Conservative said:
Yep, EO's that reversed Obama's business killing EO's but you are too focused on the Russian issue to pay any attention. Businesses today know they will not be punished for success so thank you Obama for giving us Trump
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So AGAIN you have NOTHING but you empty partisan crap. I asked for specifics.
 
Conservative said:
What is obvious is you have no understanding of leadership or the responsibilities of leadership. Thank you Obama for giving us Trump
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All Trump had to do was change nothing, that is not an accomplishment.
 
pinqy said:
Full time employees went down, Part time went up. Marginally attached went up, Discouraged went up, the U-1, U-4, and U-5 all increased. Part time for economic reasons went down.

I think those are all the factors you like to look at.
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Per my promise, inside the numbers

This year vs. July last year

Employed 160.5 million vs 159.3 or 1.2 million more

Labor Participation rate 62.9 vs. 62.8

Employed 153.5 vs 151.5 or 2 million MORE

Part time for economic reasons 5.28 million vs . 5.93 million or 600,000 less

Discouraged workers 536K vs 591K or over 500,000 less

U-6 8.6 vs. 9.7

Inside the numbers look pretty damn good vs. Obama's
 
Carjosse said:
All Trump had to do was change nothing, that is not an accomplishment.
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Per my promise, inside the numbers

This year vs. July last year

Employed 160.5 million vs 159.3 or 1.2 million more

Labor Participation rate 62.9 vs. 62.8

Employed 153.5 vs 151.5 or 2 million MORE

Part time for economic reasons 5.28 million vs . 5.93 million or 600,000 less

Discouraged workers 536K vs 591K or over 500,000 less

U-6 8.6 vs. 9.7

Inside the numbers look pretty damn good vs. Obama's
 
Conservative said:
Per my promise, inside the numbers

This year vs. July last year

Employed 160.5 million vs 159.3 or 1.2 million more

Labor Participation rate 62.9 vs. 62.8

Employed 153.5 vs 151.5 or 2 million MORE

Part time for economic reasons 5.28 million vs . 5.93 million or 600,000 less

Discouraged workers 536K vs 591K or over 500,000 less

U-6 8.6 vs. 9.7

Inside the numbers look pretty damn good vs. Obama's
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Also known as a continuation of a trend. All of those numbers were on their way down before Trump took office. Do you not understand the concept of trends? Please show me where unemployment was getting worse at the end of Obama's term.
 
Carjosse said:
All Trump had to do was change nothing, that is not an accomplishment.
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Got it, actual results and the responsibilities of leadership have no place in your world as it is simply about likes and dislikes for you. You totally have no understanding of our economy, BLS, or the fact that leadership comes with responsibilities. Like it or not Trump became responsible for the economy on January 21, 2017 just like Obama became responsible for the economy on January 21, 2009 yet you want to blame Bush for 2009 and give Obama credit for 2017 neither of which are true in the real world but maybe in the liberal world. You want badly to believe Obama generated the results and he did, he gave us Trump, thank you Obama
 
Carjosse said:
Also known as a continuation of a trend. All of those numbers were on their way down before Trump took office. Do you not understand the concept of trends?
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You think businesses today are reacting to Obama policies? You bet they are no more punishing EO's and higher taxes, thank you Obama for giving us Trump
 
Conservative said:
Got it, actual results and the responsibilities of leadership have no place in your world as it is simply about likes and dislikes for you. You totally have no understanding of our economy, BLS, or the fact that leadership comes with responsibilities. Like it or not Trump became responsible for the economy on January 21, 2017 just like Obama became responsible for the economy on January 21, 2009 yet you want to blame Bush for 2009 and give Obama credit for 2017 neither of which are true in the real world but maybe in the liberal world. You want badly to believe Obama generated the results and he did, he gave us Trump, thank you Obama
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So presidents are responsible for the economic circumstances that preceded being president, that makes literally no sense. So the 2008 recession is entirely Obama's fault. And when unemployment reduced under Obama that was not good enough?
 
MrWonka said:
HAHAHAHA!!!!

No, thank you Obama for these economic numbers. Trump has not passed a single solitary piece of legislation that would have any significant impact on the economy, and even if he had it would take a lot longer than 6 months for us to see the effects of it. These numbers mirror the numbers that we've been seeing consistently under Obama for the last 80 consecutive months. The economy has no where to go but down at this point, and when it does Trump is going to own it.
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BUT he HAS promised to reform the tax code and has promised no new oppressive taxes.

He HAS promised no new oppressive regulations and has order all government divisions to remove two unnecessary or indefensible regulations for every new regulation they write.

He HAS promised more favorable trade deal for the USA.

He HAS promised to put America first.

He HAS promised to work to revise laws so that the trillions of U.S. capital parked overseas on sitting in banks can be put back to work here. He won't be signing any laws that encourage more capital to be sidelined as Obama did for eight years.

All this has produced the highest consumer confidence and optimism that we have seen in more than eight years.

And it is THAT which is driving the economy right now and putting people back to work.
 
Carjosse said:
So presidents are responsible for the economic circumstances that preceded being president, that makes literally no sense. So the 2008 recession is entirely Obama's fault. And when unemployment reduced under Obama that was not good enough?
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How many years have you blamed Bush solely for the recession and the worst recovery in history? Obviously results truly don't matter to you nor the responsibilities of leadership. Obama took charge of the economy on January 21, 2009 and is responsible for all the results afterwards, just like now with Trump. Results matter in the real world.
 
Conservative said:
Per my promise, inside the numbers

This year vs. July last year

Employed 160.5 million vs 159.3 or 1.2 million more

Labor Participation rate 62.9 vs. 62.8

Employed 153.5 vs 151.5 or 2 million MORE

Part time for economic reasons 5.28 million vs . 5.93 million or 600,000 less

Discouraged workers 536K vs 591K or over 500,000 less

U-6 8.6 vs. 9.7

Inside the numbers look pretty damn good vs. Obama's
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I know I've told you not to use seasonally adjusted data to look at year to year changes. Seasonally adjusted is for comparing different months and negate the effects of regularly occurring changes. But for comparing the same month, you need to use unadjusted data, even though they are often the same.

Labor Force: from 160,705,000 to 161,911,000, change of 1.21 million
Labor Force Participation Rate: From 63.4 to 63.5
Employed from 152,437,000 to 154,086,000, change of 2 million
Part time for Economic reasons: from 6,157,000 to 5,475,000 change of -682,000
Discouraged is never seasonally adjusted.
U-6: from 10.1 to 8.9, change of -1.2 percentage points.

But why are you now looking at over the year as opposed to month to month?
 
pinqy said:
I know I've told you not to use seasonally adjusted data to look at year to year changes. Seasonally adjusted is for comparing different months and negate the effects of regularly occurring changes. But for comparing the same month, you need to use unadjusted data, even though they are often the same.

Labor Force: from 160,705,000 to 161,911,000, change of 1.21 million
Labor Force Participation Rate: From 63.4 to 63.5
Employed from 152,437,000 to 154,086,000, change of 2 million
Part time for Economic reasons: from 6,157,000 to 5,475,000 change of -682,000
Discouraged is never seasonally adjusted.
U-6: from 10.1 to 8.9, change of -1.2 percentage points.

But why are you now looking at over the year as opposed to month to month?
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I use exactly the same numbers that are used to calculate the official unemployment rate and will continue to do so. Seems like you want to use different numbers then the numbers used for that rate. That is pure liberalism

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Conservative said:
How many years have you blamed Bush solely for the recession and the worst recovery in history? Obviously results truly don't matter to you nor the responsibilities of leadership. Obama took charge of the economy on January 21, 2009 and is responsible for all the results afterwards, just like now with Trump. Results matter in the real world.
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That makes no sense, the US is not a command economy, a president cannot start affecting the economy immediately and have massive macroeconomic impacts.
 
Carjosse said:
That makes no sense, the US is not a command economy, a president cannot start affecting the economy immediately and have massive macroeconomic impacts.
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Yes, he can as he can change the direction of businesses with his rhetoric and promises. He immediately reversed Obama's business killing EO's and when he was elected and the GOP took the Congress, businesses took note and knew that better days were coming and they wouldn't be punished for their successes. if you ever ran a business you would understand that but obviously you haven't
 
Conservative said:
Yes, he can as he can change the direction of businesses with his rhetoric and promises. He immediately reversed Obama's business killing EO's and when he was elected and the GOP took the Congress, businesses took note and knew that better days were coming and they wouldn't be punished for their successes. if you ever ran a business you would understand that but obviously you haven't
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But unemployment was still decreasing under Obama clearly businesses were still growing and hiring people under Obama, Trump just continued that. You are saying that if Obama was still president this would have never happened despite everything pointing to that? Please show me the evidence that Trump's directly influenced the creation of jobs.
 
DA60 said:
Always look beyond the headlines.

This is not a bad report...but it ain't nothing great either.

Looking at the household data...393,000 new part time 'jobs'...yet 54,000 LESS full time 'jobs'.

Look at the numbers since March?

302,000 new 'jobs' part time.
66,000 LESS 'jobs' full time.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t09.htm

This is just more of the same in the McDonald's/Mercedes recovery...the Fed 'artificially' pumps up the DOW (making more millionaires) while the rest of the economy grows thanks to lots of crappy jobs.

More rich, more poor, less middle class and an ever-increasing wealth gap...along with dropping home ownership rates and mediocre GDP growth.

This is America post-housing boom.

Lots of cheap money...most of it going to the wealthy.
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typical report that obama has.

obamacare has killed the full time job. small medium size companies can't afford it and those are the companies we need to grow.
 
Carjosse said:
But unemployment was still decreasing under Obama clearly businesses were still growing and hiring people under Obama, Trump just continued that. You are saying that if Obama was still president this would have never happened despite everything pointing to that? Please show me the evidence that Trump's directly influenced the creation of jobs.
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As you continue to ignore the numbers inside the numbers including those that I posted. Businesses are always going to hire but we have significant improvement in the quality of jobs and the growth of Businesses. Obama left us with a 9.4% U-6 that is 8.6% today, numbers below the pre recession numbers something Obama never generated. I suggest you pay closer attention to actual DD than simply relying on your perception. The results are direct evidence of Trump's affect on the economy and businesses. You don't like it but then what exactly do liberals like other than bigger govt. and having a politician liked? Too bad liberals don't work in being liked by others.
 
MrWonka said:
HAHAHAHA!!!!

No, thank you Obama for these economic numbers. Trump has not passed a single solitary piece of legislation that would have any significant impact on the economy, and even if he had it would take a lot longer than 6 months for us to see the effects of it. These numbers mirror the numbers that we've been seeing consistently under Obama for the last 80 consecutive months. The economy has no where to go but down at this point, and when it does Trump is going to own it.
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Economies go up and down. The president has very little impact on the economy compared to the legislative branch. And realistically I don't think their impact is even as remotely big as the reality of living in a capitalist society where economies go up and down naturally.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Conservative said:
As you continue to ignore the numbers inside the numbers including those that I posted. Businesses are always going to hire but we have significant improvement in the quality of jobs and the growth of Businesses. Obama left us with a 9.4% U-6 that is 8.6% today, numbers below the pre recession numbers something Obama never generated. I suggest you pay closer attention to actual DD than simply relying on your perception. The results are direct evidence of Trump's affect on the economy and businesses. You don't like it but then what exactly do liberals like other than bigger govt. and having a politician liked? Too bad liberals don't work in being liked by others.
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Do you understand that the U6 rate has been coming down to that affect for years? Obama had similar drops over his tenure as president. For Example, it dropped 1% from Jan 2015 to July 2015. I don't know why you seem to think that this .8% drop is somehow miraculously different than the previous drops of the same size. I give credit to Trump for somehow managing to not destroy the economy, but to suggest that it's drastically different than what Obama left him is silly partisan BS.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Do you understand that the U6 rate has been coming down to that affect for years? Obama had similar drops over his tenure as president. For Example, it dropped 1% from Jan 2015 to July 2015. I don't know why you seem to think that this .8% drop is somehow miraculously different than the previous drops of the same size. I give credit to Trump for somehow managing to not destroy the economy, but to suggest that it's drastically different than what Obama left him is silly partisan BS.
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Yes, understand completely, do you understand that when Obama left office the U-6 rate was higher than it was pre recession levels and that is 10 years later and at a cost of 9.3 trillion added to the debt. You want to give Obama credit for the trended ignoring the upward trend AFTER the stimulus. You pick a point in time and give credit from that point on ignoring why Obama was hired but then that is what liberals do. You see, actual results don't matter as the left including you have very low expectations with a Democrat in the WH. Why don't you tell us exactly what Obama left Trump with in actual numbers then let's discuss reality
 
blackjack50 said:
Economies go up and down. The president has very little impact on the economy compared to the legislative branch.
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You're correct. Congressional Democrats from 2009 and 2010 deserve just as much credit for today's economy as President Obama does, and since current Congressional Republicans have also not passed any significant piece of economic legislation or any significant legislation whatsoever it would be simply idiotic to give them or Trump any credit at all four the current state of our economy.

As I said the actions of Democrats in 2009 and 2010 brought an end to the recession and got things headed back in the right direction once they got the ball rolling back in the right direction the private sector naturally did it's thing. It took a while longer because Republicans blocked additional efforts to speed things up, but ultimately we got here, and it was Democrats who gave us that push in the right direction.
 
AlbqOwl said:
BUT he HAS promised to reform the tax code and has promised no new oppressive taxes.
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Promises that he has not lived up to, and given the failure of Republicans to pass a health care bill there is no guarantee he will succeed at anything else. The fact of the matter is under President Obama we say many many months of job growth that were every bit as good as what we saw last month. The general trajectory of the economy has not changed at all. Trump hasn't ****ed anything up yet thankfully, but he deserves zero credit for the current state of the economy.

AlbqOwl said:
He HAS promised no new oppressive regulations ...

He HAS promised more favorable trade deal for the USA.

He HAS promised to put America first.

He HAS promised to ....
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He had made a lot of promises. He has also failed to deliver on virtually every single solitary one of them.

He promised Mexico would pay for a wall. They won't.

He promised to repeal and replace Obamacare. He hasn't done either one.

He promised to drain the swamp. He's actually made it worse.

He promised to put Hillary Clinton in jail. He's closer to putting himself in jail.

It's time for you to wake up from this little dream you're having buddy. You got sold a lemon by the single most obviously shady used car salesmen in the country.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, understand completely, do you understand that when Obama left office the U-6 rate was higher than it was pre recession levels and that is 10 years later and at a cost of 9.3 trillion added to the debt. You want to give Obama credit for the trended ignoring the upward trend AFTER the stimulus. You pick a point in time and give credit from that point on ignoring why Obama was hired but then that is what liberals do. You see, actual results don't matter as the left including you have very low expectations with a Democrat in the WH. Why don't you tell us exactly what Obama left Trump with in actual numbers then let's discuss reality
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God bless, do you talk in anything other than talking points?

The stimulus was passed in the middle of an economic freefall and wasn't large enough. Obama took what he could get. But it did help, that's not debatable.

You're entire argument seems to be based around "Trumps beginning is better than Obamas!" and then ignoring that only Obama got a huge tird sandwhich and turned it into something that you are now having orgasms about how great it is.
 
MrWonka said:
You're correct. Congressional Democrats from 2009 and 2010 deserve just as much credit for today's economy as President Obama does, and since current Congressional Republicans have also not passed any significant piece of economic legislation or any significant legislation whatsoever it would be simply idiotic to give them or Trump any credit at all four the current state of our economy.

As I said the actions of Democrats in 2009 and 2010 brought an end to the recession and got things headed back in the right direction once they got the ball rolling back in the right direction the private sector naturally did it's thing. It took a while longer because Republicans blocked additional efforts to speed things up, but ultimately we got here, and it was Democrats who gave us that push in the right direction.
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I don't think you fully appreciate the complexity of the situation. I think it is a given that you would say "well it is just the democrats who saved us." So do you really believe that? And it was just the republicans in the way? Seems to me you are might just be a partisan cheerleader.

You realize that the bush administration responded to the crisis and obama actually continued those policies right? And that really the crisis itself was not CAUSED by republicans. Which I'm really hoping you don't believe (as Clinton and the democrats had caused a mess as well). It was a multi party failure and recovery. And the reality is that every crash...is accompanied by a growth.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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