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Putin orders cut of 755 personnel at U.S. missions

haymarket said:
Trump is top dog who sits in the White House.... this shows what disrespect Putin has for him.
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It does no such thing. It was totally predictable. I don't think there has ever been a time where we levied sanctions on a foe and they didn't respond in kind. Democrats have been demonizing Putin for over a year and pushing for sanctions. You get your wish and Putin reacts in a perfectly predictable way and you blame Trump. Grow up.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why would you expect Putin to have respect for Trump when huge chunks of America to include the majority of the Elite Class has been very clear all along that they have no respect for Trump? When so many are so busy running our President down and undermining him to the point that they make it very clear that Trump is such an emergency that hurting the nation to get the parasite out of town is but collateral damage, not worthy of barely even talking about?

Your position is so weak as to be for all intents and purposes non existent.

See Sig for further instruction.
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So even you admit that Putin does not respect Trump!!! :lol:
 
Cardinal said:
Reciprocation is technically what was supposed to happen back in December after Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for interfering in our elections. But reciprocation didn't happen because of expectations, agreed in advance, that Trump would lift those sanctions.

The situation is potentially more volatile now because that reciprocation is tied to emotion: an impatience with the expectation of a result that has been denied to them. So the reciprocation is twofold now: one for the sanctions originally imposed by Obama and another for Trump's hands being tied and not being able to lift those sanctions. If Putin had reciprocated back in December as expected, it would have followed a routine, if unhappy, script that Russia and the United States had played by and understood for decades.

We're in somewhat uncharted waters here, so it's hard to say if things will return to a past modus operandi or if an entirely new kind of dynamic is in the process of being created.
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A voice of reason.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Russian is crumbling. California has a larger GDP than Russian. In fact twice as much.

https://www.quora.com/Who-has-a-larger-GDP-California-or-Russia
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The EU will not play. Next the sanctions were not well though out

How Russian sanctions could cost US energy dominance | TheHill

An obscure provision tucked into the Russia sanctions legislation under consideration by Congress could have the unintended consequence of giving Russian energy firms a competitive edge over American companies.

The provision in question could exclude U.S. oil and gas firms from over $100 billion in investment opportunities over the next 10 years, costing Americans well-paying jobs and hurting the 401(k)s and investment portfolios of nearly every American.

This section of the legislation, labeled "Modification of Directive 4," would expand and codify current sanctions against the Russian energy industry. Currently, U.S. energy firms are prohibited from participating in or providing technical assistance to oil and gas projects in Russia. This legislation would expand those prohibitions worldwide.
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Thoreau72 said:
The Russians waited 7 months for the US to act in a reasonable manner, but we did not. Russia's hand was forced. How the US, in great disarray, responds to this will determine a lot.

The federal leadership is fiddling as the republic burns to the ground, what's left of the republic.
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We may see Congress stepping up and influencing Foreign Policy more so now that Trump thinks the Russians are the best of US friends.
How many countries allies/leaders and such has he vilified, yet when it comes to Russia, Nada thing
 
Perotista said:
That's 1210 people we have working at the Embassy or elsewhere in Russia. I assume all with diplomatic immunity. Why so many? 455 seems enough for me.
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No idea.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He says as Congress is moving towards removing from Trump the ability to conduct Russian policy......

This in the fault of Congress, not Trump.
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No the problem is Trump but some are freaking blind. He could have implemented mild sanctions, told the Russian they interfered in the election and it will not be tolerated. Stated as such on media, but nope, nothing.
Your fearless leader is at fault. Or is he sill learning on the job??
 
Hawkeye10 said:
China made them a much better offer.
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Russia is China's lapdog, much like Trump is Putin's. Except China has more bite and brains.
 
KevinKohler said:
India is the friend we need to make, and solidify.
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True, the new rising power of India will be faster now as more internal economic issues, taxes, corruption are addressed.
India is also have problems with China on their borders. China is pressing and pushing India.
 
Putin expected Trump to remove the sanctions imposed on Moscow by Obama last December for meddling in the 2016 election (35 Russian diplomats expelled and 2 compounds shuttered). Putin did not order reciprocal actions against the US last December as has been the practice for decades because he recognized that Trump is sympathetic to Russia. Unilaterally removing the sanctions is what Michael Flynn was secretly working on with Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

Trump White House Made Secret Efforts to Remove Russia Sanctions

However, it's obvious to Putin now that Congress doesn't trust Trump and the Congressional sanctions are veto-proof. Putin's strategic holding-back is a moot point now and he would appear weak if he didn't finally reciprocate.
 
KevinKohler said:
India is chaos, and chaos is where growth comes from, not order. India is going to be the pre imminent super power of the second half of this century, barring a social revolution (see chaos) in China.
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The say china will be grey before they are rich. 1 reason they are pushing their military buildup to ensure they have major power projection in Asia.
India has a much younger population, well education and their economy is growing fast.
Cannot recall when but India moved most of their Naval assets to the eastern coast due to China
 
JANFU said:
Russia is China's lapdog, much like Trump is Putin's. Except China has more bite and brains.
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It took a long time for them to get where they are because Putin did not take the first offer, he demanded respect from the Chinese. and eventually got enough (A hell of a lot more than Russia has ever gotten from the USA, or the West in general, a point that matters tremendously....it did not need to go this was, we never cared enough to do it right...stupid and arragant (unjustly) as we are) . The Gas Price Negotiations got balled up into this as well, but was settled a couple of years ago. They are good to go now.






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Hawkeye10 said:
Why would you expect Putin to have respect for Trump when huge chunks of America to include the majority of the Elite Class has been very clear all along that they have no respect for Trump? When so many are so busy running our President down and undermining him to the point that they make it very clear that Trump is such an emergency that hurting the nation to get the parasite out of town is but collateral damage, not worthy of barely even talking about?

Your position is so weak as to be for all intents and purposes non existent.

See Sig for further instruction.
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I really don't think an authoritarian like Putin gives a wet fart about what the populace thinks about anything - let alone Trump.
 
Fletch said:
It does no such thing. It was totally predictable. I don't think there has ever been a time where we levied sanctions on a foe and they didn't respond in kind. Democrats have been demonizing Putin for over a year and pushing for sanctions. You get your wish and Putin reacts in a perfectly predictable way and you blame Trump. Grow up.
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Aha! So its somebody else fault other than Trump. So typical. You folks who love Trump have never held him responsible for anything - so why start now?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Yeah no...

India has plenty of untapped potential.

Africa's potential has been spent. Actually that is not true, Africa's potential was not spent it was extinguished by centuries of exploitation by European civilization.
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or the fact that the warring tribes continue to this day and the massive influx of dictatorships and corrupt governments have nothing to do with it.
 
Fletch said:
It does no such thing. It was totally predictable. I don't think there has ever been a time where we levied sanctions on a foe and they didn't respond in kind. Democrats have been demonizing Putin for over a year and pushing for sanctions. You get your wish and Putin reacts in a perfectly predictable way and you blame Trump. Grow up.
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Except this was Congress putting trump in a box due to his lack of leadership. And kissing up to Putin is not leadership.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We have over the last 25 years behaved far worse towards Russia than Russia has towards us.

And now they have China on their side.

NOT GOOD
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The Russians think the Chinese are barbarians, and vice versa.

Your theory is still only that.
 
holbritter said:
Ouch!
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That my friend has been in the news for weeks. The US in this case is shooting themselves in their economy. Lots of jobs at stake.
 
haymarket said:
Aha! So its somebody else fault other than Trump. So typical. You folks who love Trump have never held him responsible for anything - so why start now?
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How is Trump responsible? Obama imposed sanctions before Trump took office and now the congress has passed sanctions that has caused the Russians to react. You blame Trump because that is all you do. The truth is, no one is to blame, really, except Russia.
 
JANFU said:
Except this was Congress putting trump in a box due to his lack of leadership. And kissing up to Putin is not leadership.
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Right. And I am sure with a little searching I can find you making the same criticism when Obama was showing no leadership with regard to Russia. But you guys cant have it both ways. Russias reaction to sanctions cant be Trumps fault when the sanctions weren't put in place by Trump. At least try to make some sense.
 
danarhea said:
That doesn't really mean anything. Actually, California has a larger GDP than almost every country. It's the seventh largest GDP in the world.
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The Russian economy is not doing well through it is struggling with recession because of low oil prices and very high inflation.
 
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