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ICE not alerted when sex assault suspect released from jail in 2016, official says

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Mac77 said:
The only way the foreign labor trick works is if we pay lazy Americans to sit around on welfare doing nothing
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Hmm... does that mean that entitlement reform must precede any immigration reform? If that is the case then conservatives are screwed. Trying to sell cuts in US citizen benefits to help prevent illegal immigration is a sure loser at the ballot box.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Because 40% (5 million?) did not enter by sneaking across our southern border.
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But 60% did sneak across the southern border
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Because 40% (5 million?) did not enter by sneaking across our southern border.
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Once we get the 60% majority under control, then we can tackle the next problem. As a general rule going after the big problem is more cost effective than going after the lesser problems.

There's also the point that many of the 40% will get caught up in the 60% web.
 
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jimbo said:
That too. Makes no sense to have 20 million able bodied low skilled Americans on welfare and 20 million low skilled illegals having jobs.
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It doesent make any sense at all does it?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... does that mean that entitlement reform must precede any immigration reform? If that is the case then conservatives are screwed. Trying to sell cuts in US citizen benefits to help prevent illegal immigration is a sure loser at the ballot box.
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Thats a good question

Ideally they would go hand in hand

As we tighten the rules for welfare we should make more jobs availble for these Americans to do
 
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Mac77 said:
It doesn't make any sense at all does it?
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It never did.
 
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Mac77 said:
But 60% did sneak across the southern border
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Maybe, but I would bet that most were inside of the millions of vehicles that still cross at "checkpoints" even where there is a wall. The fake ID industry is still alive and well.
 
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Mac77 said:
Thats a good question

Ideally they would go hand in hand

As we tighten the rules for welfare we should make more jobs availble for these Americans to do
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As you are well aware, the republicants cannot even reverse the recent Medicaid expansion added by PPACA (it is alive and well in 15 "red" states). If even going back to 2010 levels of Medicaid eligibility is a no go then anything more drastic is extremely unlikely to get passed.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Do you honestly think that deportation #21 would have worked any better than the first 20 did? Every state, county and city let's criminals loose to offend again - simply read the news to confirm that fact. I agree that it is a huge problem but it is not the only the state or city that released (or simply banished?) this 20 time federal felon.
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How many times should we allow illegal's to continue to enter our country illegally before we say there is a penalty for that? Blaming the Fed's for not doing something to this man when the local government was working to shield him from the Fed's is strange to me.
 
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j-mac said:
How many times should we allow illegal's to continue to enter our country illegally before we say there is a penalty for that? Blaming the Fed's for not doing something to this man when the local government was working to shield him from the Fed's is strange to me.
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Not at all, the feds had him cold for up to 20 federal immigration felony charges many with up to 10 years each and did nothing but banish (deport) him - what did Oregon or California have?
 
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Napoleon said:
Lol. Good luck with that. This guy was deported 20 times. He's been in and out of jail since December and ICE never showed up to collect him. They knew he wouldn't be held longer than what he was arrested for, but they still failed to pick him up. Fault for this solely with ICE.
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That's BS right there!

"“ICE last encountered Mr. Martinez Dec. 7, 2016, at the Multnomah County Jail and lodged an immigration detainer against him at that time requesting that the agency be notified prior to his release,” Kice said in a statement. “However, despite the detainer, local authorities released Mr. Martinez back into the community the following day without providing any notification to ICE.”

Oregon Rape Suspect Had ICE Detainer | The Daily Caller

So, it wasn't that ICE didn't show up, they were never notified that he was to be released, and they let him go! Your try at warping the facts is lacking here.

Oregon Rape Suspect Had ICE Detainer | The Daily Caller
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
As you are well aware, the republicants cannot even reverse the recent Medicaid expansion added by PPACA (it is alive and well in 15 "red" states). If even going back to 2010 levels of Medicaid eligibility is a no go then anything more drastic is extremely unlikely to get passed.
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I know how hard it would be

You make a fair point

But it has to be done or the nation is in for deeper and deeper trouble
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Not at all, the feds had him cold for up to 20 federal immigration felony charges many with up to 10 years each and did nothing but banish (deport) him - what did Oregon or California have?
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The man. And before ICE could collect him, the local LEO released him without notifying ICE, per the detainer.....
 
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Mac77 said:
I know how hard it would be

You make a fair point

But it has to be done or the nation is in for deeper and deeper trouble
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So long as "austerity day" is not upon us then this borrow from future generations to support current consumption will get taken just as seriously as "glow bull warming" and its predictions of massive sea level rise.
 
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j-mac said:
The man. And before ICE could collect him, the local LEO released him without notifying ICE, per the detainer.....
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Yep, but that was this time, the feds had him 20 times before this. Are you seriously saying that the feds would have acted differently on deportation opportunity #21? I am willing to bet that the feds still don't take him and they will let (force?) Oregon to pay to keep him in jail/prison.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, but that was this time, the feds had him 20 times before this. Are you seriously saying that the feds would have acted differently on deportation opportunity #21? I am willing to bet that the feds still don't take him and they will let (force?) Oregon to pay to keep him in jail/prison.
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We shall see...But I'll say that #21 is what mattered to the elderly woman that was attacked....That is on the local putzes.....
 
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j-mac said:
We shall see...But I'll say that #21 is what mattered to the elderly woman that was attacked....That is on the local putzes.....
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No about about that (bolded above) but that does not fix the bigger problem of federal catch and release. Sanctuary cities are bad news for a few folks but the federal catch and release is bad news everywhere.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
No about about that (bolded above) but that does not fix the bigger problem of federal catch and release. Sanctuary cities are bad news for a few folks but the federal catch and release is bad news everywhere.
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Agreed, and the plan is to do what can be done to fix that, in the meantime it is the Sanctuary policy that runs counter to addressing the larger problem....IOW, after your house is flooded by a hole in the roof, you don't paint the interior without addressing the roof first.
 
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The real question is how many dead citizens do we need before politicians will do their sworn duty and make a serious attempt to secure the border so a deportation is a one way ride?
 
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j-mac said:
Agreed, and the plan is to do what can be done to fix that, in the meantime it is the Sanctuary policy that runs counter to addressing the larger problem....IOW, after your house is flooded by a hole in the roof, you don't paint the interior without addressing the roof first.
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I look at it another way - if a sanctuary city (San Antonio or Austin) is drawing the nearby illegal alien population then there are less of them in other areas (like where live). This also makes it easier for the severely understaffed ICE agents to find illegal aliens - they have a much better chance of finding illegal aliens in the sanctuary cities than anywhere else. ;)
 
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Isn't Portland one of those "sanctuary cities"?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I look at it another way - if a sanctuary city (San Antonio or Austin) is drawing the nearby illegal alien population then there are less of them in other areas (like where live). This also makes it easier for the severely understaffed ICE agents to find illegal aliens - they have a much better chance of finding illegal aliens in the sanctuary cities than anywhere else. ;)
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Too bad for the citizens of those cities then eh?
 
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j-mac said:
Too bad for the citizens of those cities then eh?
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Yep, that is the way of things - folks must either abide by what their local government does (to or for them) or seek to change it. Many insist upon local control and yet seem to wish it to go away (be superseded from above?) if that result displeases them.

Perhaps the problem is that federal policy bestowed unconditional grants to all cities in the first place. Rather than seek to selectively remove rewards based on "bad" behavior the rewards should only be given in exchange for "good" behavior. I favor offering federal bounties to state/local law enforcement for each illegal alien (or those that harbor, aid or abet them) turned over to the feds rather than tossing federal rewards to all and hoping for the best.
 
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j-mac said:
That's BS right there!

"“ICE last encountered Mr. Martinez Dec. 7, 2016, at the Multnomah County Jail and lodged an immigration detainer against him at that time requesting that the agency be notified prior to his release,” Kice said in a statement. “However, despite the detainer, local authorities released Mr. Martinez back into the community the following day without providing any notification to ICE.”

Oregon Rape Suspect Had ICE Detainer | The Daily Caller

So, it wasn't that ICE didn't show up, they were never notified that he was to be released, and they let him go! Your try at warping the facts is lacking here.

Oregon Rape Suspect Had ICE Detainer | The Daily Caller
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No it isn't. Why couldn't ICE have asked when he was scheduled for release? Undercover ICE agents are lurking around the nation's courthouses looking for people to toss into a van. Why couldn't they have done the same here? Immigration enforcement is not the responsibility of cities or States.
 
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bearpoker said:
I must say that ICE's record with this man isn't so good either. Had Portland authorities released him to ICE, they simply would have deported him, and he would have snuck back in. He's obviously good at that. ICE doesn't have the authority to try him for breaking state laws. He was an obvious flight risk and never should have been released at all. He should have been held without bail and tried. If convicted, he should have gone to prison. He could always have been released to ICE after serving his sentence. He'd still probably sneak back in after that. He seems to be good at it.
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If he is this much of a danger to actual people, I suggest the sentence involved a round in the hell, and at least a paid for cemetery plot. Saying "here lies one demented sicko" on the tombstone.
 
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