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Trump 'disappointed' with China after North Korea missile test

You are being WAY too melodramatic on this. NK does not hold anything to America's head. If they launch a nuke at America, America absolutely obliterates NK. NK knows this, so they will NEVER launch a nuke at America. Well, NEVER in our lifetimes.

NK has the right to defend themselves and they have a right to nukes just as much as any country, IMO (and I do not care about silly nuclear treaties...Israel doesn't either). Now, would I rather NK did NOT have nukes...sure. But they do and life goes on. But they are in NO WAY, shape or form holding 'a nuclear knife' to America's throat.


America has no business butting into NK affairs and she should remove all her troops from SK (and ALL other countries as well and bring them home). SK should shut up and fight their own battles. Plus, all getting in NK's face does is strengthen the little, fat guy's hold on his people as he can use the threat of American invasion as justification for throwing **** loads of money (they do not have) at their military and treating their people so horrible in the name of 'national security'. If America wants NK to start acting decent, they should leave that region alone and let them solve their own problems.

As for China? They are under no obligation whatsoever to do anything about NK's nukes. China probably knows that it is stupid and costly to try and butt into other countries problems. So they generally don't.

All Trump is saying - in essence - is he is utterly clueless as to what to do about NK; so he is trying to browbeat Chinas into doing Trump's dirty work for him. Period. Children blame others for their shortcoming's. Adult's just get on with it and find a way to fix the problem.

Oh, and the launcher vehicle you mention was for transporting trees that NK - against China's wishes, apparently - turned into missiles transporters. China did not sell them the trucks just to carry rockets.

North Korea appeared to use China truck in its first claimed ICBM test | Reuters


No doubt you disagree with all/most of the above...so be it.


Good day.

Didn't we launch a couple test missiles ourselves at one time? And blow up a couple islands just for giggles while were developing our own arsenal?

Other countries will try to catch up. That's a given. The question is what should we do about it. Put a missile up Kim Un's ass? Shoot down NK missiles? Yell loudly that Someone else, namely China, needs to fix it?
 
Didn't we launch a couple test missiles ourselves at one time? And blow up a couple islands just for giggles while were developing our own arsenal?

Other countries will try to catch up. That's a given. The question is what should we do about it. Put a missile up Kim Un's ass? Shoot down NK missiles? Yell loudly that Someone else, namely China, needs to fix it?

We also planted our soldiers two miles from ground zero for nuke testing above ground in NM, UT, and NV at the many proving grounds. What could possibly have gone right with that?

On a mystical note, is it any surprise that Roswell happened after we dropped the 2 nukes on Japan? Based on the sworn death bed statements of the man with the patent on the original computer chip, who can doubt we've been reverse engineering ever since ?
 
UN Ambassador Haley just tweeted this a little while ago..

Done talking about NKorea.China is aware they must act.Japan & SKorea must inc pressure.Not only a US problem.It will req an intl solution.
11:59 AM - Jul 30, 2017

Unfortunately, the Korean War never ended. We are now seeing the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery begin to fill up with Korean Vets, along with those from Vietnam.

My British uncle came back from Korea with gangrene in his leg. Didn't listen to the doctors. Had a blood clot go to his heart .
 
Leadership by tweet.

What a ****ing *****.
 
Unfortunately, the Korean War never ended. We are now seeing the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery begin to fill up with Korean Vets, along with those from Vietnam.

My British uncle came back from Korea with gangrene in his leg. Didn't listen to the doctors. Had a blood clot go to his heart .

I am very sorry for your loss.
 
We also planted our soldiers two miles from ground zero for nuke testing above ground in NM, UT, and NV at the many proving grounds. What could possibly have gone right with that?

On a mystical note, is it any surprise that Roswell happened after we dropped the 2 nukes on Japan? Based on the sworn death bed statements of the man with the patent on the original computer chip, who can doubt we've been reverse engineering ever since ?

But we gave those test soldiers dark glasses and clean uniforms, so all was good.
 
I am very sorry for your loss.

War is hell on earth. I could tell stories from my two WWII parents and parents-in-law for hours. And from my older Vietnam friends who are dead now.

The greatest challenge that Veterans have, since they all through no fault of their own have some level of ptsd, is how to manage their pharmeds on top of alcohol, cigs and drugs. (Every American has some level if ptsd to some extent)

I've been there with my Dad for 38 years as a Veteran after 30 years in the service. I've seen the damage done to our family as the oldest of 4 by pharmeds displaced by alcohol at the brain receptors, dislodging pharmed molecules to destroy brain cells .
 
Whatever NK launches, THADD will take out. It's their conventional weapons that pose the greatest danger right now .

THADD isn't nearly 100 percent yet.
 
THADD isn't nearly 100 percent yet.

I'll defer to your expertise. My current focus is on the two types of nuclear fusion technology in Europe, ITER and W X-7. I will look into it though, when I'm not driving for the next week in the Black Hills .
 
President Trump is "very disappointed" with China following North Korea's latest ICBM launch:

Trump 'disappointed' with China after North Korea missile test - BBC News




China has been North Korea's fundamental patron and backer, allowing them to pursue their nuclear escalationism to to hold a nuclear knife to America's throat. Trade between China and North Korea have continued to grow, and even the launcher vehicle used by North Korea in its latest ICBM test was Chinese-supplied.
Well ateast via President Trump's twittrr account China tried before the didn't try.

Anyone who thinks China can magically make NK's weapons programs disappear lacks knowlege of the situation.

It also doesn't help when the administration is trying to undermine the agreement with Iran to halt most uranium enrichment and allow UN inspections.

Oh yeah, don't forget Russia is against further sanctions in the UN.

Trump doesn't have a clue how to deal with this, but I'm sure he will blame all the past presidents who have faced the same predicament, NK can kill tens of thousands if not hundreds with just a few phone calls to launch all the crap they have aimed at SK and Japan.

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You are being WAY too melodramatic on this. NK does not hold anything to America's head. If they launch a nuke at America, America absolutely obliterates NK. NK knows this, so they will NEVER launch a nuke at America. Well, NEVER in our lifetimes.

NK has the right to defend themselves and they have a right to nukes just as much as any country, IMO (and I do not care about silly nuclear treaties...Israel doesn't either). Now, would I rather NK did NOT have nukes...sure. But they do and life goes on. But they are in NO WAY, shape or form holding 'a nuclear knife' to America's throat.


America has no business butting into NK affairs and she should remove all her troops from SK (and ALL other countries as well and bring them home). SK should shut up and fight their own battles. Plus, all getting in NK's face does is strengthen the little, fat guy's hold on his people as he can use the threat of American invasion as justification for throwing **** loads of money (they do not have) at their military and treating their people so horrible in the name of 'national security'. If America wants NK to start acting decent, they should leave that region alone and let them solve their own problems.

As for China? They are under no obligation whatsoever to do anything about NK's nukes. China probably knows that it is stupid and costly to try and butt into other countries problems. So they generally don't.

All Trump is saying - in essence - is he is utterly clueless as to what to do about NK; so he is trying to browbeat Chinas into doing Trump's dirty work for him. Period. Children blame others for their shortcoming's. Adult's just get on with it and find a way to fix the problem.

Oh, and the launcher vehicle you mention was for transporting trees that NK - against China's wishes, apparently - turned into missiles transporters. China did not sell them the trucks just to carry rockets.

North Korea appeared to use China truck in its first claimed ICBM test | Reuters


No doubt you disagree with all/most of the above...so be it.


Good day.
America absolutely has the right to but into other countries affairs when it comes to nuclear arms. When the world was afraid of how many we had, we agreed to ramp them down. Now if the global community doesnt want to stop rouge nations from developing nukes then I guess its time we begin ramping up ours again.

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Why isn't China worried about antagonizing the USA over this matter? To what extent does the actions of North Korea serve China's interest in the region? Shouldn't Beijing's support of Pyongyang come with a cost for them?

How is China antagonizing the US? What actions have NK made towards the US that we should be worried about? Every threat made by them has been on the condition of retribution from US attacking them, how about we leave them alone and quit with the stupid sabre rattling.
 
How is China antagonizing the US? What actions have NK made towards the US that we should be worried about? Every threat made by them has been on the condition of retribution from US attacking them, how about we leave them alone and quit with the stupid sabre rattling.

Trump governing by tweet. Stupid.
 
Without harming your allies? Seoul being about a hundred miles from Pyongyang, I mean.

So what do you suggest...let NK fire nukes at America all day just because a retaliatory strike might hurt its neighbors?

'Sorry, my fellow Americans. Be would have struck back at North Korea, but that might result in some South Korean casualties...so we are going to have to keep letting North Korea kill you by the millions until they tire of it or run out of nukes.'.

Please. That's just tough luck for SK.



BTW, whether they are an 'ally' or not is totally irrelevant. Ally or not, innocent civilians are human and should be given the same consideration. So Chinese civilian losses should be just as concerning as South Korean.
But it's still too bad for them. You cannot just allow tens of millions of Americans to die because North Korea is a small country.
 
I'm disappointed with Trump's failure to keep his word vis-a-vis North Korea.

He said that he wouldn't let North Korea get an ICBM and they have one now.

What's his next move going to be?If he doesn't do the right thing soon one of North Korea's nuclear tipped ICBM's may hit the USA.

The clock is ticking.
 
NK isn't holding a nuclear knife to anyone.
if they **** up and actually launch even a large conventional weapon into another country, the NK regime is at serious risk of being obliterated
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And if one of their nuclear-tipped ICBM's hits the USA any Americans near there can kiss their butt goodbye,eh?

Obliterating them after they've killed thousands won't help the dead and buried.

Think about that a little bit.
 
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I would agree with most of what you said if the leader of NK wasn't a certifiable lunatic with illusions of grandeur.

I wonder if the people of north Korea believe he doesn't crap, or urinate either...
 
Whatever NK launches, THADD will take out. It's their conventional weapons that pose the greatest danger right now.

I agree...but their conventional military is no match for South Korea alone...let alone SK backed by America.

NK's economy has been horrific for decades...and because of that, they simply have not had the money to spend on weaponry - let alone technological improvements.

Their air force, army, and navy are old and obsolete. On top of which, they are so broke, they cannot afford the fuel to train much...so their skill set on their more sophisticated weapons (like air power) is severely lacking.

While SK's military is large, powerful and very up-to-date. Plus, it is very well trained.

And that disparity is growing every year.

SK would gain total air superiorly in a few days..a week at most. Her aircraft are several generations ahead of the North's and their pilots are FAR better trained. And despite all this talk of a huge number of NK artillery...they are almost all towed. Which means they are very vulnerable to counter battery fire. Whereas much of the South's artillery is not as it largely self-propelled.
And forget about the North's tanks...they are incredibly old and near-useless. But the South has top-of-the-line, modern tanks.
And forget about manpower...it means almost nothing if your enemy has complete control of the skies AND has sophisticated weapons to take advantage of that superiority PLUS has technological superiority in every other conventional field as well (like artillery).

The only threat the North poses conventionally at all is that age old 'bombardment of Seoul from caves with artillery' thingy.

Yeah...that is so...but obviously Seoul would be evacuated if the war was imminent. And again, the South would relatively quickly either take out or overrun those positions within a few days/weeks.

So, yeah, the North could make things difficult for the South for the first week or so. But in the end, they would be powerless (outside of their nukes) to stop the South alone from completely over-running the North eventually. The North knows this, so they would not try another 1950-style invasion (as back then, they HAD superiority over the South).

No, the main reason, IMO, why the North developed nukes is because they know that they simply cannot keep up with the South conventionally...and nukes were their only chance at defending themselves if the South/America wanted to attack.


And, other than the promise of American nuclear retaliation against the North, the South does not need America's help to defend itself anymore against the North. Not at all.
 
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How is China antagonizing the US? What actions have NK made towards the US that we should be worried about? Every threat made by them has been on the condition of retribution from US attacking them, how about we leave them alone and quit with the stupid sabre rattling.

Sounds like China is being antagonistic by not reigning in North Korea.
And who is rattling a sabre?
 
And if one of their nuclear-tipped ICBM's hits the USA any Americans near there can kiss their butt goodbye,eh?

Obliterating them after they've killed thousands won't help the dead and buried.

Think about that a little bit.

the idiots aren't going to nuke anyone. their country would be turned into glass within an hour of kim jong dip**** hitting the go button. then China's economy would go straight down the toilet, as global thermonuclear war is pretty bad for business.
 
Sounds like China is being antagonistic by not reigning in North Korea.
And who is rattling a sabre?

Why is it China's responsibility? What is NK doing that needs to get reigned in?
 
It's rarely brought up that North Korea's very existence (in part) is a poke in the eye for the U.S., where we made a very poor strategic decision, and got our @sses handed to us just as we were declaring ourselves a superpower.

It was China that kicked our asses out of North Korea, so you can imagine how that might seem like an important relationship.

Can you imagine them giving it away easily, especially when we're regularly made to look impotent by them (again because of China's backing) ?

It would be not unlike giving the Alamo back to Mexico.
 
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