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English Hospital won't treat soldier who lost his legs because he is Scottish

Godric1970

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'This is the ultimate slap in the face' Former soldier lost his legs in Afghanistan but English hospital will no longer treat him because he's Scottish
Lance Corporal Callum Brown has been told the English NHS will no longer foot the bill for his treatment at hospital specialising in military casualties.
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'This is the ultimate slap in the face' Former soldier lost his legs in Afghanistan but English hospital will no longer treat him because he's Scottish - Daily Record
 
Kiwimac said:
Sounds like BS to me.

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it ain't bullsh!t it is the only military hospital in the UK

we have 10s of Thousands of English come up to Scotland to be treated on our NHS because the English NHS is mince ... it is bad when it is now being reported by the MSM in Scotland
 
Godric1970 said:
it ain't bullsh!t it is the only military hospital in the UK

we have 10s of Thousands of English come up to Scotland to be treated on our NHS because the English NHS is mince ... it is bad when it is now being reported by the MSM in Scotland
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I thought NHS was a socialist thing where everything is free. Can't everyone have it? So if the other guys say they can no longer pay, why get upset. Scotland's social medicine can take the bill. Where is the problem? ;)
 
A combined military but separate NHS. What could go wrong?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
A combined military but separate NHS. What could go wrong?
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this is a stated funded military hospital for the UK armed forces .... the military is a reserved matter

it is truly disgusting nothing is said when 10s of thousands of English come up to Scotland to be treated every year and NHS boards in England send over a hundred of patients with mental problems every year because they either can't cope or don't have the facilities .... basically 2nd class citizens .... how then can they seriously claim we are better together ....
 
Godric1970 said:
this is a stated funded military hospital for the UK armed forces .... the military is a reserved matter

it is truly disgusting nothing is said when 10s of thousands of English come up to Scotland to be treated every year and NHS boards in England send over a hundred of patients with mental problems every year because they either can't cope or don't have the facilities .... basically 2nd class citizens .... how then can they seriously claim we are better together ....
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From the story:

"“If he needs further treatment within the trust, we would need to seek pre-approved funding from NHS Scotland.”"

Again, same military, separate NHS.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
From the story:

"“If he needs further treatment within the trust, we would need to seek pre-approved funding from NHS Scotland.”"

Again, same military, separate NHS.
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2 - 3 years at most ... and we will have a separate army as well

well the NHS in Scotland needs to stop treating patients coming up to Scotland from England to be treated
 
Godric1970 said:
2 - 3 years at most ... and we will have a separate army as well

well the NHS in Scotland needs to stop treating patients coming up to Scotland from England to be treated
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So you are advocating for Scottish Nationalism because you don't want to pay for this soldier's treatment (among perhaps other grievances) which he won't be able to receive if Scotland goes it alone. So this really isn't about what is best for this soldier?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
So you are advocating for Scottish Nationalism because you don't want to pay for this soldier's treatment (among perhaps other grievances) which he won't be able to receive if Scotland goes it alone. So this really isn't about what is best for this soldier?
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i fully support Scottish Independence .... i don't hide it ... it will have a massive impact on NATO UK's nuclear deterrent is currently based in Scotland ... it could effect the number of army recruits from Scotland ... it swings both ways Scotland should ban English patients coming to Scotland for treatment in our hospitals and for free prescriptions they don't receive in England .... and Independence will lead us to build our own military medical facilities


obviously since the soldier is of no longer use to the UK ... the UK military setup does not care about what is best for him
 
Godric1970 said:
i fully support Scottish Independence .... i don't hide it ... it will have a massive impact on NATO UK's nuclear deterrent is currently based in Scotland ... it could effect the number of army recruits from Scotland ... it swings both ways Scotland should ban English patients coming to Scotland for treatment in our hospitals and for free prescriptions they don't receive in England .... and Independence will lead us to build our own military medical facilities


obviously since the soldier is of no longer use to the UK ... the UK military setup does not care about what is best for him
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Bolded the relevant part. So in the meantime, you don't really care about this soldier or are you calling for the Scottish NHS to fund this soldier's treatment in Birmingham?
 
Godric1970 said:
Better together you are having a laugh



'This is the ultimate slap in the face' Former soldier lost his legs in Afghanistan but English hospital will no longer treat him because he's Scottish - Daily Record
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They not refuse treatment per se. They said they had to seek funding from NHS Scotland.

I have no clue how this works between them, but from the outside looking in, it is put on NHS Scotland to pay .

Try to be in the US at a hospital with the wrong insurance. Unless moving you is a crisis medical issue, there is a decent chance you will be sent to a contracted facility.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
So you are advocating for Scottish Nationalism because you don't want to pay for this soldier's treatment (among perhaps other grievances) which he won't be able to receive if Scotland goes it alone. So this really isn't about what is best for this soldier?
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Government is never about the common good. It is always about power and control. No different in the UK than it is here.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Bolded the relevant part. So in the meantime, you don't really care about this soldier or are you calling for the Scottish NHS to fund this soldier's treatment in Birmingham?
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what part do you not understand he was severely injured whilst serving in the UK armed forces ... the UK decreed that the soldiers that cam back home injured were to be treated at Birmingham


as i said it swings both ways
 
Godric1970 said:
what part do you not understand he was severely injured whilst serving in the UK armed forces ... the UK decreed that the soldiers that cam back home injured were to be treated at Birmingham


as i said it swings both ways
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And one of the relevant NHS should pay for his treatment. The hospital in Birmingham votes for the treatment to be paid for by his home NHS. I'm sorry you don't want that.


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AliHajiSheik said:
And one of the relevant NHS should pay for his treatment. The hospital in Birmingham votes for the treatment to be paid for by his home NHS. I'm sorry you don't want that.


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The UK government closed down the military hospitals / wards, got rid of a lot the brilliant QARANC nurses and contacted the work out to the NHS. All of the initial treatment is around Birmingham and soldiers who are wounded are forced to go there. Initially the conditions were dire but have improved. Now given that the major pool of military trauma nursing and surgery is based in South West England deliberately, why should this guy be forced to go elsewhere. He should clearly be where the repository of expertise and knowledge lies.

this has nothing to do with devolution. NHS Scotland and England have been separate entities since their foundation in the late 1940's.
 
It seems to be a problem of the "internal market" imposed on the NHS, which set up "trusts" which although centrally funded as before, now "compete". As the present government's austerity policy has been starving the NHS of funding for ten years now, the specialist hospitals in particular are suffering more than general hospital trusts, who caring only for their local population. It follows that the specialists will seek funding from the "outside" patient's "home" trust. In this case since the patient live in a separate country (within the UK) then it's logical to apply at a national level.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It seems to be a problem of the "internal market" imposed on the NHS, which set up "trusts" which although centrally funded as before, now "compete". As the present government's austerity policy has been starving the NHS of funding for ten years now, the specialist hospitals in particular are suffering more than general hospital trusts, who caring only for their local population. It follows that the specialists will seek funding from the "outside" patient's "home" trust. In this case since the patient live in a separate country (within the UK) then it's logical to apply at a national level.
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funny how all these speciality hospitals are all centralised in southern England , yet their is none in northern England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland

all those military hospitals were funded from the UK defence budget

people don't realise how angry this story has made people in Scotland
 
Godric1970 said:
funny how all these speciality hospitals are all centralised in southern England , yet their is none in northern England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland

all those military hospitals were funded from the UK defence budget

people don't realise how angry this story has made people in Scotland
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Scotland's entire population is less than that of London alone. It's not practical to have a centralised resource hundreds of miles away from the main catchment area.
Birmingham is a few miles west of Meriden, the village at the geographic centre of the British Isles. By no stretch of the imagination is it in Southern England.
As I said it's a funding issue, due to a combination of politically motivated artificial markets and public service financial policy.
 
If it is a private hospital they should have the right to do so, even though it's heartless.
 
Moraj said:
If it is a private hospital they should have the right to do so, even though it's heartless.
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it isn't it is part of the UK national health service ... English patients come to Scotland to get treated no problem
 
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