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GOP Obamacare repeal bill fails in dramatic late-night vote

I'll be happy if he doesn't tweet angry, hysterical nonsense. If he's just like, "we'll keep trying", that's a win for all of America.

The fact is that trump has been and will continue to do what he is able to do to intentionally sabotage ACA and make it worse, spiting Americans while throwing another tantrum .
 
The fact is that trump has been and will continue to do what he is able to do to intentionally sabotage ACA and make it worse, spiting Americans while throwing another tantrum .

I'm still hoping for no tantrum.
 
I'm still hoping for no tantrum.

When the day comes that we hope for no temper tantrums from the president, you know we're in real trouble.

When we face a very real crisis in foreign policy with this president, and we will, I don't even want to think about what this deranged man could do to this planet .
 
When the day comes that we hope for no temper tantrums from the president, you know we're in real trouble.

Haha. Fair enough.


When we face a very real crisis in foreign policy with this president, and we will, I don't even want to think about what this deranged man could do to this planet .

I don't think he's deranged.
 
Health care debate: GOP Obamacare repeal bill fails - CNNPolitics.com :monkey :2dance:



Obamacare lives to see another day! :rock



Obamacare is here to stay. Seven years of sick repeal attempts by Republicans, building into a dominant Congress, Executive branch and state Governors and Legislature, has failed. Apparently, the Reps think that adding 10 million previously uninsured, to keep them in health and be productive Americans, is not to their liking. They’d rather see the private sector rape the health of Americans for profit. Even though the facts are that healthier Americans breed greater productivity than is the cost. That’s even without figuring in the minimum 40% lower cost of industrialized nations to deliver the same or better quality healthcare. By better, I mean of the 16 (I think) "industrialized" nations, the US is second to bottom, Canada.
 
Saving the GOP from an even more savage beating in the 2018 elections than they're already going to get. GOPs wanted this to fail but had to make it look good for their base.

Going to 'regular order' will actually help the GOP, forcing them to work with DEMs, putting the onus back on the DEMs, somewhat .
Exactly.

Of the 49 R Senators voting for this repeal, I bet all but a handful or two were damn glad it failed.

And Trump showed a total lack of leadership, and indeed was a distraction. If anything, it may be possible Trump's bad treatment of McCain added ice on the cake for McCain to say 'no'.

But the interesting thing here, is McCain may have strengthened his hand. Along with the anti-Russia bill, we may be seeing the first fissures of GOP disagreement with Trump. And with this huge failure, along with Trump being pretty much worthless in assisting legislation, the GOP may be coming to the conclusion that their tripartite dream involving Trump may not be on the same page. This may bode poorly for Trump's agenda, whatever the hell that may be.
 
Exactly.

Of the 49 R Senators voting for this repeal, I bet all but a handful or two were damn glad it failed.

And Trump showed a total lack of leadership, and indeed was a distraction. If anything, it may be possible Trump's bad treatment of McCain added ice on the cake for McCain to say 'no'.

But the interesting thing here, is McCain may have strengthened his hand. Along with the anti-Russia bill, we may be seeing the first fissures of GOP disagreement with Trump. And with this huge failure, along with Trump being pretty much worthless in assisting legislation, the GOP may be coming to the conclusion that their tripartite dream involving Trump may not be on the same page. This may bode poorly for Trump's agenda, whatever the hell that may be.

I suspect this is not playing out the way Vladimir Putin had hoped for either!
 
Exactly.

Of the 49 R Senators voting for this repeal, I bet all but a handful or two were damn glad it failed.

And Trump showed a total lack of leadership, and indeed was a distraction. If anything, it may be possible Trump's bad treatment of McCain added ice on the cake for McCain to say 'no'.

But the interesting thing here, is McCain may have strengthened his hand. Along with the anti-Russia bill, we may be seeing the first fissures of GOP disagreement with Trump. And with this huge failure, along with Trump being pretty much worthless in assisting legislation, the GOP may be coming to the conclusion that their tripartite dream involving Trump may not be on the same page. This may bode poorly for Trump's agenda, whatever the hell that may be.

The downside is that we remain saddled with a poor law.
The upside is that maybe we can get a bipartisan system installed.
The problem is that no sensible proposal seems acceptable to both sides.
 
The downside is that we remain saddled with a poor law.
The upside is that maybe we can get a bipartisan system installed.
The problem is that no sensible proposal seems acceptable to both sides.
I do agree it's a bad law. Being forced to purchase private insurance by virtue of being alive, is a terrible precedent that I'm still surprised was found Constitutional. I do not agree with that precedent at all.

However the ACA is here and is the law of the land, and has not been nurtured for seven years. It wasn't even left fallow. But rather it was picked at, cut way, and hobbled continuously over the seven year period. It was demonized to the point of lies & libel, and politicized like nothing before in American politics. An entire majority party built its political platform around killing it, making it their central tenet, their mission, indeed their raison d'etre!

And yet today here it stands, having added many more tens of millions to the insured rolls than any competing plan, and it enjoys a positive view - however slight - from the American public in general.

While I despised it then, and still do, I saw it as a hope & start towards single-payer health-care. So I very begrudgingly accepted it as the law of the land, and waited for the improvements I hoped would come. Of course, those never happened.

So how to fix it? I'd move straight to a step-wise gradually implemented Medicaid or Medicare expansion, done over a decade or so. But this will not happen, at least today.

However last night I heard these excellent ideas from a moderate Republican House member, but I didn't get his name:

1] Add a public option, which would insure insurance in those markets with few, or soon to be none, insurers.

2] Separate out the healthy from the high-risk, then remove the high-risk thereby stabilizing the markets and promoting more free-market competition and market expansion, and lowering premiums.

3] Take the high-risk group, and allow them to buy-in to Medicaid.


I like this proposal. And I think it's reachable via Congress, within ordinary rules of order. The Dems would take it in a heartbeat, and the question becomes: "Can they pick-off the few Repubs they need to pass it?"

This proposal of course inches us a little closer to single-payer, but I'm fine with that. I see no free-market solution, or at least no totally free-market solution, to this problem! Apparently, neither does the rest of the 1st world.

Winston Churchill once said, "You can count on Americans to do the right thing ... after they've tried everything else!

I'm hoping this is exactly one of these moments.
 
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I do agree it's a bad law. Being forced to purchase private insurance by virtue of being alive, is a terrible precedent that I'm still surprised was found Constitutional. I do not agree with that precedent at all.

However the ACA is here and is the law of the land, and has not been nurtured for seven years. It wasn't even left fallow. But rather it was picked at, cut way, and hobbled continuously over the four seven year period. It was demonized to the point of lies & libel, and politicized like nothing before in American politics. An entire majority party built its political platform around killing it, making it their central tenet, their mission, indeed their raison d'etre!

And yet today here it stands, having added many more tens of millions to the insured rolls than any competing plan, and it enjoys a positive view - however slight - from the American public in general.

While I despised it then, and still do, I saw it as a hope & start towards single-payer health-care. So I very begrudgingly accepted it as the law of the land, and waited for the improvements I hoped would come. Of course, those never happened.

So how to fix it? I'd move straight to a step-wise gradually implemented Medicaid or Medicare expansion, done over a decade or so. But this will not happen, at least today.

However last night I heard these excellent ideas from a moderate Republican House member, but I forget his name:

1] Add a public option, which would insure insurance in those markets with few, or soon to be none, insurers.

2] Separate out the healthy from the high-risk, then remove the high-risk thereby stabilizing the markets and promoting more free-market competition and market expansion, and lowering premiums.

3] Take the high-risk group, and allow them to buy-in to Medicaid.

I like this proposal. And I think it's reachable via Congress, within ordinary rules of order. The Dems would take it in a heartbeat, and the question becomes "Can they pick-off the few Repubs they need to pass it?"

This proposal of course inches us a little closer to single-payer, but I'm fine with that. I see no free-market solution, or at least no completely free-market solution, to this problem! Apparently, neither does the rest of the 1st world.

Winston Churchill once said, "You can count on Americans to do the right thing ... after they've tried everything else!

I'm hoping this is exactly one of these moments.

If there were a very low cap on the items and services in the public policy and the public were allowed to buy policies anywhere in the country and preferably any where in an OECD country, if denominated in dollars. Preferably the public option would be removed and the poor could use the guaranteed minimum income to buy scaled down policies on the market.
 
For those looking for a bipartisan plan that both parties can get behind. There is a plan devised by the Heritage Foundation that has merit. It's called the Affordable Care Act.
 
If there were a very low cap on the items and services in the public policy and the public were allowed to buy policies anywhere in the country and preferably any where in an OECD country, if denominated in dollars. Preferably the public option would be removed and the poor could use the guaranteed minimum income to buy scaled down policies on the market.
Perhaps that would work.

But the policies have to be reasonably inclusive, or you again have essentially a lack of insurance in practical terms and dependence upon extraordinary measures like the E.R.

But yes, the key for now seems to be to at least get the high-risk and preexisting condition crowd separated. They're decimating the free-market solutions.

Medicare buy-in for them, sounds reasonable to me.
 
For those looking for a bipartisan plan that both parties can get behind. There is a plan devised by the Heritage Foundation that has merit. It's called the Affordable Care Act.
:lamo
 
For those of you happy with the defeat of the bill, remember how many times Christopher Lee was resurrected from his Dracula grave. Hang on to your garlic and crucifixes.

Still, remember that we already have a national health care system in the US other than the ACA... (Apparently this week marks the anniversary of the passing of Medicare/Medicaid)... We just choose to limit it too old and poor and disabled people.

The solution is obvious, but heresy to today's GOP. Back when they were sane, 83 of them voted for Medicare, 13-17 in the Senate and 70-68 in the House. And large majorities voted for Social Security. And this while Ayn Rand was still alive, Mr. Ryan.
 
Hopefully it dies and rots in political hell soon enough.

Maybe if Republicans could have come up with a plan in the last seven years rather than simply spouting off a mantra to coddle their base....they actually might have accomplished something. But they'd rather play games with America's healthcare system.
 
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