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Russia probe: Democrats block key witness against shadowy firm Fusion GPS

Mach said:
Who claimed Congress couldn't handle more than one issue at a time? Are you sure you know what you're responding to?
They invoked the 2- hours rule, as it their right.
Here Republicans do the same thing...
GOP Deploys Two-Hour Rule to Stall IRS Nominee Hearing
Republicans invoked the Senate's rule against holding committee meetings beyond the first two hours of the Senate's day with respect to the Finance panel's nomination hearing on John Andrew Koskinen to be commissioner of the IRS.
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Nomination questioning versus sworn testimony? Apples and oranges.
 
iguanaman said:
The fact is that Putin hates Hillary and did everything he could to stop her election. Why was that not in your post?
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Anybody with two working brain cells hates Hillary. It's a given.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Nomination questioning versus sworn testimony? Apples and oranges.
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His testimony was already delivered in writing, and it was a 24 hour delay only, using a rule that both Ds and Rs use occasional.

Stop acting like that's something, it's embarrassing.
 
humbolt said:
Anybody with two working brain cells hates Hillary. It's a given.
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So you agree it is a lie that Putin helped her in any way and this whole thing is a ruse to take the focus off Trump's obvious Bro-love for the man.
 
iguanaman said:
The fact is that Putin hates Hillary and did everything he could to stop her election. Why was that not in your post?
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Because they need to confuse a US citizen working with non-governmental Ukrainians to get dirt on Manifort as collusion between Democrats and Russia.

Little did they know that the gov and many Ukrainians are not friends of the Russians because they broke their treatry, took Crimea, and supported an overthrow of the Ukranian gov that overthrew the Pro Russian Ukrainian government. I have to admit to the creativity involved trying to switch Trump's campaign with Hillary's as far as allegations of collusion with the Russians.

Any way let's let Muller figure all this stuff out. Oh, but yeah, Supreme leader is still trying to stop the Russian investigation. Shame too when they are so close proving Hillary helped the Russians hack the DNC emails.

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OpportunityCost said:
Except they commissioned the infamous dossier, except the female Russian attorney lobbied for them, except the so called Russian counterintelligence operative was their lobbyist and will have to register as a foreign agent, except they happen to be a common element in a good many of these situations and they were the impetus for the FISA warrants.

It looks like an opposition research team was used to manufacture due cause to use intel apparatus to spy on a political opponent. Watergate, indeed.
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Please.

Jared Kushner bought $295 million dollars worth of real estate from Africa Israel Investments (AFI) back in 2015, which is owned by oligarch Lev Leviev, who also owns Prevezon Holdings - the firm caught laundering hundreds of millions of dollars of illicit money from Russian banks. That's the same firm Natalie Veselnitskaya (who the Trumps met with) represented. Trump fired state attorney, Peter Bharara , who was pursing charges against the members of PH, and the case was settled by the DOJ two days before trail for peanuts.

Worse still, Kushner refinanced the property he bought from AFI with a loan of $285 million dollars from Deutsche bank... the global laundromat used by oligarchs.

Now that's a story.
 
iguanaman said:
So you agree it is a lie that Putin helped her in any way and this whole thing is a ruse to take the focus off Trump's obvious Bro-love for the man.
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No, I merely mentioned that Hillary is not well liked. That's not sufficient motivation for someone like Putin. Putin is focused on reducing US influence in the world. Given that Trump campaigned on rebuilding our military, I doubt Putin was thrilled with such prospects. Ukraine seems to have had an interest in helping Hillary. There's that.
 
humbolt said:
No, I merely mentioned that Hillary is not well liked. That's not sufficient motivation for someone like Putin. Putin is focused on reducing US influence in the world. Given that Trump campaigned on rebuilding our military, I doubt Putin was thrilled with such prospects. Ukraine seems to have had an interest in helping Hillary. There's that.
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Maybe that was because Trump's campaign manager was paid by the Russians to support Putin's puppet in Ukraine? The Ukrainians are under attack by Putin daily and he has stolen parts of their country. It makes sense that they would want to help someone that opposed him.
Putin can never match our military, rebuilt or not but he has succeeded in electing a man who has greatly diminished our influence and prestige in the world. So there's that.
 
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MovingPictures said:
Please.

Jared Kushner bought $295 million dollars worth of real estate from Africa Israel Investments (AFI) back in 2015, which is owned by oligarch Lev Leviev, who also owns Prevezon Holdings - the firm caught laundering hundreds of millions of dollars of illicit money from Russian banks. That's the same firm Natalie Veselnitskaya (who the Trumps met with) represented. Trump fired state attorney, Peter Bharara , who was pursing charges against the members of PH, and the case was settled by the DOJ two days before trail for peanuts.

Worse still, Kushner refinanced the property he bought from AFI with a loan of $285 million dollars from Deutsche bank... the global laundromat used by oligarchs.

Now that's a story.
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Except its all guilt by association.
 
Mach said:
His testimony was already delivered in writing, and it was a 24 hour delay only, using a rule that both Ds and Rs use occasional.

Stop acting like that's something, it's embarrassing.
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Which is not the same as being asked questions in person.
 
j-mac said:
So, one may ask why invoke this maneuver? Schumer says it was in retaliation for the Health Care vote, but we all see right through that....Democrats are setting up a pattern here in this "investigation".... Anytime someone is set to testify that may prove detrimental to democrats, all of the sudden there are "scheduling problems", or some such that prevent that person from being heard....

Now, Browder did testify today, but without the C-SPAN coverage that they had on it yesterday...

I have two concerns about this, 1. Why are republican's letting democrats run the show on this so called 'investigation', and 2. What are the democrats hiding? Their own collusion with Russian's maybe?
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Wow. That’s it. It isn’t that Trump and the Republicans are Putin’s puds, it’s the Democrats! Yeah, that’s it. All this time we’ve been paying attention to Trump’s overt admiration for Putin, who merely wants to crush America, when all this time it’s the Dems that are in cahoots with Putin. That’s it. That’s the ticket.
 
iguanaman said:
Maybe that was because Trump's campaign manager was paid by the Russians to support Putin's puppet in Ukraine? The Ukrainians are under attack by Putin daily and he has stolen parts of their country. It makes sense that they would want to help someone that opposed him.
Putin can never match our military, rebuilt or not but he has succeeded in electing a man who has greatly diminished our influence and prestige in the world. So there's that.
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The collusion of the Clinton campaign with the Ukrainians has nothing to do with Putin. It has to do with the Clinton campaign. Additionally, the Fusion GPS business appears to be funded by actors here in the US, and the now infamous dossier appears to be a complete fabrication. The left has plenty of nails, but seems to lack any lumber at all.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Breaking: testimony is recorded. Film at 11.
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But we won't see the film at 11, he was to testify that it was a smear campaign on Trump, do you think MSM will show that?


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Harry Guerrilla said:
Did you even bother to watch the testimony?
Very interesting stuff and it could reach past just Trump, including both parties and journalists.
If his testimony is credible.
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Both parties are probably guilty. Go ahead and prosecute both.

It's not as big of a problem for Clinton because she's not the President.
 
iguanaman said:
The fact is that Putin hates Hillary and did everything he could to stop her election. Why was that not in your post?
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I think I get it now.
Putin hates Hillary, but he loves Trump so much that he let Russians give Steele the scoops for the dossier because ... here's where it breaks down for me.
Why did he do that again? Was it because Pooty imagined himself as one of the Russian, um, working girls and was sending his beloved Trump a message and love conquers all?
 
bubbabgone said:
I think I get it now.
Putin hates Hillary, but he loves Trump so much that he let Russians give Steele the scoops for the dossier because ... here's where it breaks down for me.
Why did he do that again? Was it because Pooty imagined himself as one of the Russian, um, working girls and was sending his beloved Trump a message and love conquers all?
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If you pull the plug on reality, that last bit is completely believable. Just don't try to put the plug back in. Fuses will blow, breakers will trip, transformers, capacitors, and rectifiers will short, and the entire national grid will go down.
 
humbolt said:
If you pull the plug on reality, that last bit is completely believable. Just don't try to put the plug back in. Fuses will blow, breakers will trip, transformers, capacitors, and rectifiers will short, and the entire national grid will go down.
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AH HA !!! So that's the plan.
 
bubbabgone said:
I think I get it now.
Putin hates Hillary, but he loves Trump so much that he let Russians give Steele the scoops for the dossier because ... here's where it breaks down for me.
Why did he do that again? Was it because Pooty imagined himself as one of the Russian, um, working girls and was sending his beloved Trump a message and love conquers all?
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LOL Putin was very upset when he found out about the "dossier". He purged the GRU and several high ranking officials "disappeared" from its ranks.

Ex-KGB Chief Thought Dead As Source Of Trump Blackmail Dossier Leak | HuffPost
 
MovingPictures said:
If it was Clinton you'd be singing a different song.
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If things really worked like that she would be in jail. Bill Clinton took actual money from Russian groups while Hillary was reviewing policy on Russian issues. Spare me the hypothetical, its false on its face.
 
bubbabgone said:
I think I get it now.
Putin hates Hillary, but he loves Trump so much that he let Russians give Steele the scoops for the dossier because ... here's where it breaks down for me.
Why did he do that again? Was it because Pooty imagined himself as one of the Russian, um, working girls and was sending his beloved Trump a message and love conquers all?
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It wasn't about electing Trump. It was about sowing chaos so no matter who won their administration would be in chaos from day one.

Looks like it worked.
 
chuckiechan said:
I think the Clinton set up Trump. The motive for the Russians being energy prices are all they got plus nukes. Hillary would continue to restrict supply, Trump is going to bankrupt the MF'rs'
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What? This CT again?? :doh
 
OpportunityCost said:
It wasn't about electing Trump. It was about sowing chaos so no matter who won their administration would be in chaos from day one.

Looks like it worked.
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Totally agree. And it wouldn't have worked this well without the eagerness to participate to explain a loss and justify a Resistance. The man does know his business.
 
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