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Trump: 'US will not allow transgender individuals to serve in military' [W:144]

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PirateMk1 said:
Being that I have been on the logistical end of things in a shooting war (Iraq 2003-2006), I can tell you from personal experience that the logistics wienies like me got mixed up in combat. Hell I have as much if not more combat time than a lot of the door kickers because the insurgents just loved trying to blow up the fuel convoys. (That's what I ran, fuel. 31 Trucks at 10000 gallons of JP4 apiece.) This leads me to think that the logistics guys should be competent in using their rifles and defending themselves. Like you said content for different thread though.
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Which is why I added in this caveat: (yes, there would be some overlap, especially in a time of war).
 
poweRob said:
Funny how you don't present any opinion of your own in a thread you started and instead just celebrate what you think it will do to your political opposition.

Its so hard to take trumpettes seriously on the political front when all you guys seem to want to do with political power is settle scores or bludgeon others rather than lead at all in any particular direction.
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ol the irony of this post is amazing isn't it folks.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump boots all transgenders out of the military, yet he has no ethical/moral problem when his family (Junior, Kushner) secretly meet with Russian officials and operatives.
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I just saw a copy of a tweet during Trump's campaign in which he said that he would protect LBGT's right to serve. Of course that was just more of his usual pathological lying bull****.

Now that Trump has joined the establishment (actually now believes that he owns), which he swore to take down during his campaign, we can expect to see a lot more lying contradictions in the future. They're already been flowing like wine in Napa Valley. Why should he stop when there are no consequence?
 
Josie said:
So anyone should be allowed in the military, regardless of their medical needs -- right?
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Of course not. However, having medical needs does not necissarily preclude you from military service. There are 102,500 soldiers in the US Army who are non-deployable, 50,000 of them in active duty. While not all are medical, a very large number of them are.
 
Mac77 said:
Most of the posts on this thread are by outraged libs

I have had little to say about this other than its a good idea that I approve of
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Okie dokie artichokie....seems like you are still unhinged to me....
 
poweRob said:
Funny how you don't present any opinion of your own in a thread you started and instead just celebrate what you think it will do to your political opposition.

Its so hard to take trumpettes seriously on the political front when all you guys seem to want to do with political power is settle scores or bludgeon others rather than lead at all in any particular direction.
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It is exactly why they are willing to turn a blind eye to the awfulness of Trump's words/actions over the last few years. Does it piss off the media/liberals? Yes? Then they're all for it!
 
devildavid said:
Then they should not allow any of it. But how can they tell the real reasons that people enlist?
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They don't allow it. That's what Article 115 of the UCMJ is for. You can be Courts Martialed for the offense.

Bottom line, it makes no sense whatsoever to accept someone for enlistment who you KNOW is going to require significant medical and mental health care.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That pretty much is the only conviction he has. Trump can't pass legislation or make any big policy changes, but he can do a few superficial things like this here and there to rile up his bigoted base.



Yeah, Trump touched a rainbow flag once so his more moderate voters thought he actually would stand up for equal rights. They're not a smart bunch.
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Nothing bigot about it, they are more than welcome to join!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Trump to reinstate US military ban on transgender people

DA60 said:
And Trump takes another step to try and push America back to the 1950's.
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At least the 1950's had a respectable/sensible president. At this point, we are worse than the 50s. :(

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Cardinal said:
Ivanka Trump last month:

"I am proud to support my LGBTQ friends and the LGBTQ Americans who have made immense contributions to our society and economy."

And Trump last year:

"Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs."

But 2018 is coming, and as an administration official said,

"This forces Democrats in Rust Belt states like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin, to take complete ownership of this issue. How will the blue collar voters in these states respond when senators up for re-election in 2018 like Debbie Stabenow are forced to make their opposition to this a key plank of their campaign?"
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military needs outweigh liberal needs for social experiments.

long term field support for trans people and even women in the field are going to be very difficult.
getting put on long term field assignment that can take months at a time where there is little contact with other people
and supplies is going to cause issues.

it isn't that they aren't capable is it physical differences and needs.
sometimes logic and reason have to supercede emotional SJW experiments.
 
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Geoist said:
At least the 1950's had a respectable/sensible president. At this point, we are worse than the 50s. :(

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Yup. Far worse in that respect.

Ike's Military Industrial Complex speech still awes me today. That a lifetime military man would make such a speech is astounding.

It is so sad that America has forgotten/ignored that amazing speech.

 
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Lutherf said:
They don't allow it. That's what Article 115 of the UCMJ is for. You can be Courts Martialed for the offense.

Bottom line, it makes no sense whatsoever to accept someone for enlistment who you KNOW is going to require significant medical and mental health care.
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According to the study – which analyzed private health insurance data on gender transition-related expenditures – the Military Health System costs would only increase by $2.4 million to $8.4 million a year if the care were extended to transgender service members.

The study concluded that these increases would only represent between 0.005 to 0.017 percent of overall Department of Defense health care expenditures, which totaled $49.3 billion in 2014.

In all, the study estimated that there was between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people in the military.

The Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly in the U.S. Military | RAND
 
OpportunityCost said:
Its so hard to take liberals seriously on the political front when they act like they don't engage in that same behavior and claim to be above it. Don't start a culture war than complain when the other side fights back.
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No one's in a culture war. That's just your right-wing victimhood complex coming out in force.

But if you want one... you can start your gripe with her:

Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'
 
ludin said:
military needs outweigh liberal needs for social experiments. long term field support for trans people and even women in the field are going to be very difficult.
getting put on long term field assignment that can take months at a time where there is little contact with other people
and supplies is going to cause issues.
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Please quantify that claim.

ludin said:
it isn't that they aren't capable is it physical differences and needs.
sometimes logic and reason have to supercede emotional SJW experiments.
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radcen said:
Not sure about that one specifically, but military personnel do not enjoy all Constitutional protections.

https://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/does-the-constitution-apply-to-rights-of-military-members/
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Freedom of association still applies in most cases. You can literally say you are a grown man who watches [emoji304] ponies and hangs out with other men who do it; and there is very little the military can do about it unless you start recruiting other military members into your circle. Simply being a KKK member - saying so - will not get you removed.

Find the cases of KKK members being kicked out of the military; they were all kicked out for holding rallies, killings, etc. Not for being members of the KKK - why? It's not banned no matter how much apdst ignores the prohibitions of his own document.


This was sent from Putin's computer using Donald's credentials.
 
ludin said:
military needs outweigh liberal needs for social experiments.

long term field support for trans people and even women in the field are going to be very difficult.
getting put on long term field assignment that can take months at a time where there is little contact with other people
and supplies is going to cause issues.

it isn't that they aren't capable is it physical differences and needs.
sometimes logic and reason have to supercede emotional SJW experiments.
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So are you saying there are no other people in the military who require medication on a regular basis or other specialized care? I don't believe that. It's one thing to say someone cannot be assigned to certain types of missions for that reason. It's something else entirely when you say they can't serve at all.
 
YESSSSSSSS! SANITY is returning.


The military was not and is not designed to be an instrument of social change and experimentation. It has one job: to kill the enemy and win.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Its so hard to take liberals seriously on the political front when they act like they don't engage in that same behavior and claim to be above it. Don't start a culture war than complain when the other side fights back.
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From the whitehouse:

“This forces Democrats in Rust Belt states like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin, to take complete ownership of this issue. How will the blue collar voters in these states respond when senators up for re-election in 2018 like Debbie Stabenow are forced to make their opposition to this a key plank of their campaigns?”

linkypoo...​

Look whose starting culture wars for political gain. Divide and conquer.

Republicans have no leadership qualities whatsoever.
 
volsrock said:
YESSSSSSSS! SANITY is returning.


The military was not and is not designed to be an instrument of social change and experimentation. It has one job: to kill the enemy and win.
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Were transgenders refusing to do that?
 
volsrock said:
YESSSSSSSS! SANITY is returning.


The military was not and is not designed to be an instrument of social change and experimentation. It has one job: to kill the enemy and win.
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Indeed, who has made any remarks to the opposite?
 
Napoleon said:
So are you saying there are no other people in the military who require medication on a regular basis or other specialized care? I don't believe that. It's one thing to say someone cannot be assigned to certain types of missions for that reason. It's something else entirely when you say they can't serve at all.
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Here is one case. Which beggars the question- would a male soldier need the ability to have a drug free erection before advancing, making contact with the enemy and destroying them?

Pentagon spends a lot of money on Viagra - CBS News
According to the Military Times, data from the Defense Health Agency indicate the U.S. Department of Defense spent $41.6 million on Viagra and $84.24 million total on drugs for erectile dysfunction in 2014.

Since 2011, the bill for covering drugs like Viagra, Cialis and Levitra for active and retired military personnel and eligible family members totalled $294 million -- nearly as much as four U.S. Air Force F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, says the Military Times.
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Hatuey said:
They can boot you for conducting KKK activity in the military, not being a member of it. It literally violates the first amendment to do so.



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This was sent from Putin's computer using Donald's credentials.
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IAW AR 670-1, you can and will be kicked out for merely having a racist tattoo. Step one...identification. Step two..probationary period for removal. Step three...discharge. It doesnt matter whether you engage in racist practices, assembly, association...whatever.
 
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