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Scaramucci ‘I’m Going to Fire Everybody’

Just to get back on topic here, no matter what Scaramucci said in a statement, don't you think it's in all our best interests that intelligence leaks stop? If Scaramucci can do it, go for it.

Bear in mind this is a problem that's been around forever and has reached critical mass now because of how Divisive Trump's presidency has been. Obama took a beating from leaks as well. And for government employees to actually have access to classified information and feel it's their prerogative to release that information consequence free is quite frankly insane! Firing theme is a giving em a free pass, they should do time.
 
Geoist said:
Despite the fact many Dems, including Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi, have clearly opposed single payer.

Hillary's newfound disdain for single payer | TheHill
Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Party Reject Single Payer Health Care System | Observer
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Well, in both cases, there were political/election considerations involved, not to mention massive dollars.

Hillary needed the money, and Pelosi wanted to keep the objective off the party platform.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/

Pelosi on Single-Payer: 'It Isn't Helpful to Tinkle All Over the Affordable Care Act Right Now'

Pelosi on Why Dems Aren’t Pushing for Single-Payer Health Care: Not Helpful to ‘Tinkle All Over’ Obamacare Right Now​
 
ocean515 said:
Well, in both cases, there were political/election considerations involved, not to mention massive dollars.
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Yeah, just keep backtracking there, buddy.
 
Geoist said:
Yeah, just keep backtracking there, buddy.
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Backtracking? Just addressing what you brought up with facts, buddy.

I've posted comments from Dem leadership that are current. You're posting something about Hillary, who isn't in the government in any way, and Pelosi, who says she doesn't want to piss on Obamacare, right now. Which means, she would later.
 
ocean515 said:
Backtracking? Just addressing what you brought up with facts, buddy.
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It was not a fact when you claimed all Dems want single payer. Clinton and Pelosi are proof of that and when confronted with that proof you blame politics for why they oppose.
 
Geoist said:
It was not a fact when you claimed all Dems want single payer. Clinton and Pelosi are proof of that and when confronted with that proof you blame politics for why they oppose.
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I thought you might be discerning enough to understand the positions they took, when they took them, and why.

Clinton is a vapor that amounts to nothing on this issue, so why you would include her in discussion is a bit of a curiosity.

Pelosi is a political animal who manipulates every move she makes. Keeping SP off the platform helps attract more voters.

Pissing on Obamacare now, while debate rages would be an admission that the healthcare program she helped create sucks.

Maybe I'm asking too much here.
 
ocean515 said:
I thought you might be discerning enough to understand the positions they took, when they took them, and why.

Clinton is a vapor that amounts to nothing on this issue, so why you would include her in discussion is a bit of a curiosity.
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You said all DEMS support single payer. Is she or is she not a Dem?

Pelosi is a political animal who manipulates every move she makes. Keeping SP off the platform helps attract more voters.
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Is Pelosi a Dem, yes or no?
 
Geoist said:
You said all DEMS support single payer. Is she or is she not a Dem?



Is Pelosi a Dem, yes or no?
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:doh

I didn't think I would have to define which Dems I was referring to.

I guess I was asking too much.
 
j-mac said:
Displaying Henry George as your avitar, that's close enough for me.
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Well of course it is. Ignorance, such as you display in your partisan rants is not fed by and abundance of information but rather the avoidance of it and that lack of information/knowledge is clear as you have no clue what is socialism, what Henry George advocated and what a single payer means to society.
 
ocean515 said:
:doh

I didn't think I would have to define which Dems I was referring to.

I guess I was asking too much.
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You cannot even prove all the Dems currently in Congress support single payer. You made a blanket assertion and now you are being called out for it.
 
Geoist said:
You cannot even prove all the Dems currently in Congress support single payer. You made a blanket assertion and now you are being called out for it.
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I provided links to quotes from Dem leadership.

In your imagination you've created statements I've made that don't exist. Show me where I used the word "ALL".

Again, it's clear I was asking too much here.
 
ocean515 said:
You won't get me singing the praises of Republican leadership. I've posted elsewhere that McConnell and Ryan need to be replaced.

Absurd they have allowed the minority party to control the message.
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That's only because the GOP has no plan, no message, no workable ideas. All they care about is cutting the taxes in ACA to fund more tax cuts for their donor base. That's it. The debate is how to make that happen in a way that won't kill them politically in 2018 and 2020. Pretty simple, really.

The majority of people think the left's MSM sucks, so allowing the vile screams of people like Schumer and Pelosi be pasted by their media partners unchecked and unanswered is pathetic. They should be called out along with the media who markets their bile.

I've been around a fairly long time, and it's beyond me that the Senate Minority Leader can publicly claim the President of the United States, and his family, are criminals, and not face severe sanctions.
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What kind of sanctions, specifically. Is the Senate now a zone where the 1A doesn't apply?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, so I'm not sure what dropping j-macs handle is supposed to do.

Dems want single payer. Period. Obamacare was doomed from the start on purpose. It was a door opener to single payer.
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More accurately, Democrats want universal coverage. If we look around the world there are a few dozen ways to make that happen, and single payer is one of them. Lots of others.

I favor doing nothing, and letting the Dems health care plan run it's course. Won't effect me in the slightest.
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Doing nothing is a choice, of course, but it's a bit questionable that a viable political option is to acknowledge that doing nothing will cause extreme turmoil in the healthcare markets, then make a conscious decision to make that happen, and then try to blame it on the Democrats. It might work because the Democrats suck at messaging, but that's not likely.

FWIW, "I got mine, f you!" is a pervasive GOP principle, and we commend you for being honest about it.
 
ocean515 said:
Correct. I think you're missing the point. Forget what Republicans want. The only thing Dems want is single payer. They will fight anything else, and so far, they have been remarkably good at it.

The only thing that could pass with Dem support is single payer. Those Dems who think differently don't appear to exist.
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Not sure if you're purposely conflating "single payer" with "universal coverage" but they are NOT the same thing. The ACA passed with Dem support and it's a long, long, long way from "single payer" so on the face of it your statement is ludicrous. Actual single payer, which would necessarily end private healthcare insurance, probably doesn't have the support (when it counts) of more than 15-20 Democratic Senators - if that. The lobbying pressure from BCBS, Cigna, etc. would be immense and it just doesn't have a prayer of passing Congress, not even in an alternative reality of maybe 70 Democratic Senators. It would be too disruptive to the markets, wipe out $billion industries overnight.
 
ocean515 said:
I provided links to quotes from Dem leadership.

In your imagination you've created statements I've made that don't exist. Show me where I used the word "ALL".

Again, it's clear I was asking too much here.
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The only thing Dems want is single payer. They will fight anything else - Ocean515

The only thing that could pass with Dem support is single payer. Those Dems who think differently don't appear to exist. - Ocean515
 
j-mac said:
Your dream of a Socialist Utopia doesn't mean that you have to turn here into that, you could easily start a life in Venezuela, then tell us how you like it.
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The conservative message is "Yay to our capitalist saviors! Boo to lazy poor people".

Best way I know of to get a majority to vote in socialist ideas.

"Capitalism"(TM) is only working for some now.

And fewer people are believing the idea that letting the upper fraction of a percent have/do whatever they want will somehow lift all boats all the time.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Well maybe Trump found his right hand man.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/politics/scaramucci-on-white-house-leaks-fire-everybody.html
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Ya know. Eventually nobody is gonna want to take on any role under Trump. He's loyal TO NOBODY, yet demands everybody be loyal to him.

In other words, when he wants to engage in extremely unethical, lying, corrupt behaviors - he wants his "yes men" to watch his back and support his lying, corrupt, or insane bull****l

And the Founders thought King George was nuts. :roll: Ha!
 
JasperL said:
That's only because the GOP has no plan, no message, no workable ideas. All they care about is cutting the taxes in ACA to fund more tax cuts for their donor base. That's it. The debate is how to make that happen in a way that won't kill them politically in 2018 and 2020. Pretty simple, really.
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LOL

You know, the only thing remotely true in your screed was that Democrats want Universal Healthcare. If you could be honest, that means single payer.

The rest, especially the first sentence is a total waste of time and energy. Why lie? Why take the time to post something that is absolutely untrue.

Really lame.
 
JasperL said:
Not sure if you're purposely conflating "single payer" with "universal coverage" but they are NOT the same thing. The ACA passed with Dem support and it's a long, long, long way from "single payer" so on the face of it your statement is ludicrous. Actual single payer, which would necessarily end private healthcare insurance, probably doesn't have the support (when it counts) of more than 15-20 Democratic Senators - if that. The lobbying pressure from BCBS, Cigna, etc. would be immense and it just doesn't have a prayer of passing Congress, not even in an alternative reality of maybe 70 Democratic Senators. It would be too disruptive to the markets, wipe out $billion industries overnight.
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You've already destroyed any vestige of credibility by your ludicrous claims in previous posts.

I'm not posting personal opinions, like you are.

I've posted links to Dem leadership and others in the controlling alt-left talking specifically about pushing single payer. Period.

How many more links do I need to provide?

Here's another, just as a reminder, and an effort to remain above the effluent you're spreading here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/healthcare-congress-bernie-sanders-single-payer-obamacare/533595/
 
Removable Mind said:
when he wants to engage in extremely unethical, lying, corrupt behaviors - he wants his "yes men" to watch his back and support his lying, corrupt, or insane bull****l
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That IS how to do business in NYC, 101. And Donald Trump has lived in and done business in NYC/NJ for decades. Anyone who thought he was going to be different in government was conned and/or naive to the nth degree.

This nonsense Cons believe that running a business is like running the government and we need businessmen to run the government, is just that, nonsense. Trump is PROOF of how stupid that kind of thinking is. I don't love politicians either, but people in the government need to know something about politics and how the government runs. Trumps knows NOTHING, he's a spoiled moron who's had 'yes men' around him his whole life to tell him how great he is. That doesn't work in politics.
 
Geoist said:
The only thing Dems want is single payer. They will fight anything else - Ocean515

The only thing that could pass with Dem support is single payer. Those Dems who think differently don't appear to exist. - Ocean515
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I know what I posted Geoist.

What I took for granted was the ability you would recognize I was directing those comments to Dems in Congress.

Is Hillary in Congress? Does she hold a government job? Is she a lawmaker in any capacity? You served her up as proof of something I can't quite grasp.

I think this waste of time has reached it's Zenith, so I am done with it.

:peace
 
Britain got a first look at him being interviewed by Emily Maitlis one of out top political anchors, rotating as the US correspondent. He's creepy as Trump!

 
Manc Skipper said:
Britain got a first look at him being interviewed by Emily Maitlis one of out top political anchors, rotating as the US correspondent. He's creepy as Trump!

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Scaramouche is doing the fandango. It is a wonderful thing to see yet another asshole working in the White House.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

You know, the only thing remotely true in your screed was that Democrats want Universal Healthcare. If you could be honest, that means single payer.

The rest, especially the first sentence is a total waste of time and energy. Why lie? Why take the time to post something that is absolutely untrue.

Really lame.
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True single payer - Medicare for all - is just one way to get to UHC. And you have to ignore the ACA (most emphatically NOT single payer) to conclude that's the only option supported by Democrats when the 'public option' part of the ACA couldn't survive the bill and was never supported by key Democratic leadership. And if push came to shove (like the 'repeal' votes the GOP is taking now) there's no way in hell IMO that single payer gets through Congress, even with hypothetical large democratic majorities. Too much money at stake with the big insurers.

As to the "lie" - I'm expressing opinion. Disagree if you want, but when was the last time you saw a Republican defending the good things their health care plan will do, referencing the details of the plan in the discussion? I've never seen it, but maybe I missed it.... It's just my opinion based on the record I've seen that the GOP (other than the usual, TAX CUTS, TAX CUTS, TAX CUTS, MORE TAX CUTS, and finally TAX CUTS, and whatever else the Chamber of Commerce boys have on their wish list) don't have any other real purpose in D.C. You can disagree. Happens here all the time.
 
ocean515 said:
You've already destroyed any vestige of credibility by your ludicrous claims in previous posts.

I'm not posting personal opinions, like you are.

I've posted links to Dem leadership and others in the controlling alt-left talking specifically about pushing single payer. Period.

How many more links do I need to provide?

Here's another, just as a reminder, and an effort to remain above the effluent you're spreading here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/healthcare-congress-bernie-sanders-single-payer-obamacare/533595/
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with your link except my own point.

Democrats are far from united over single payer, however. For the moment at least, Democratic congressional leaders are reluctant to endorse single-payer legislation.
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It says that for the first time a "majority" in the House signed onto 'single payer.' That's a lot of Democrats who aren't supporters of "single payer." Not sure what else to say but thanks for the link proving our point that the support for single payer among democrats is far, far from unanimous. And I suspect when it comes time to actually vote, real support would plummet. Roughly half the country has insurance at work and likes it pretty well. The publicly traded insurers are behemoths and will unleash a torrent of money and ads and scare tactics to defeat true single payer. Etc. It's my opinion, shared by lots of "liberals" and Democrats, that we're not going to get "single payer."
 
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