House, Senate reach deal on Russia sanctions, will vote Tuesday

House, Senate reach deal on Russia sanctions, will vote Tuesday - CBS News

Negotiators from the House and Senate have come to an agreement on Russia sanctions after securing overwhelming support in the Senate but stalling in the House.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-California, announced Saturday morning that a vote on the Russia, Iran and North Korea Sanctions Act would take place Tuesday.
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Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland has been working for weeks to craft a deal with McCarthy. Hoyer said in a statement that he was "pleased that both parties in the House and Senate have reached agreement on sanctions legislation that will hold Russia and Iran accountable for their destabilizing actions around the world."

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Meanwhile in the Senate, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York said in a statement on Saturday that he expects the House and Senate to act on the legislation "promptly."

Schumer added, "Given the many transgressions of Russia, and President Trump's seeming inability to deal with them, a strong sanctions bill such as the one Democrats and Republicans have just agreed to is essential."

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I'd honestly be very surprised if Trump tried to veto this proposal. Since only around 60% of Americans believe that Russia attempted to intervene in the election, I'd love to know what Trump supporters on DP think about the latest Congressional effort to keep sanctions on actors like Russia in place. I imagine that additional sanctions on North Korea and Iran will persuade Congressional Republicans to accept it.

In that light, why hasn't Trump struck a more conciliatory tone with these last two as opposed to Russia. The same arguments for Trump's Russia dealings apply to Iran at the very least (ie. what's wrong with sitting down with a hostile foreign power?).

What are you're thoughts?

Roycarn said:

House, Senate reach deal on Russia sanctions, will vote Tuesday - CBS News

I'd honestly be very surprised if Trump tried to veto this proposal. Since only around 60% of Americans believe that Russia attempted to intervene in the election, I'd love to know what Trump supporters on DP think about the latest Congressional effort to keep sanctions on actors like Russia in place. I imagine that additional sanctions on North Korea and Iran will persuade Congressional Republicans to accept it.

In that light, why hasn't Trump struck a more conciliatory tone with these last two as opposed to Russia. The same arguments for Trump's Russia dealings apply to Iran at the very least (ie. what's wrong with sitting down with a hostile foreign power?).

What are you're thoughts?

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My thoughts? :think:

Both Iran and N. Korea are different political animals from Russia.

1. Russia is a nation in transition. They have a history of Autocratic government, followed by a history of Socialist dictatorship. With the fall of the Soviet system a power vacuum was created. and is being filled by proponents of rapacious capitalism...some people have even labeled it "mafia" government.

Still, it's people don't have a negative opinion of the United States. Instead they have levels of envy and a desire to try to emulate us. Not surprising that after hundreds of years of oppression they are experiencing growing pains and a difficult transition into their new freedoms.

IMO Russia is NOT our enemy, and despite Putin (who will not last forever) it is a very good idea for America to use the opportunity to develop better relations, rather than persist in a new cold war ideology.

2. Regarding N. Korea? It is a Socialist autocracy ruled by the Kim family dynasty. They are the epitome of Orwell's "1984" governmental system.

Their ruler has absolute control and no personal reservations about abusing his power. He is steadily developing the ability to do ICBM strikes with nuclear capability.

He knows only one diplomatic initiative, capitulation to his demands or his eternal enmity.

IMO, as long as this situation persists, N. Korea is a nuclear time bomb waiting to go off.

3. As for Iran? While it is true that moderates are making inroads into governance, it is still dominated by the radical Islamists and their ayatollah leadership.

That leadership hates America as the Great Satan who allowed the Shah to rule and abuse them for decades. They don't trust our ideals because we have shown them we are not trustworthy. As a result, they appear to be one of the most important and influential supporters of Islamic terrorism in the world. The current goal is to become a nuclear power, and when that happens (as it will eventually) who knows what new threat this will pose?

Thus, IMO Iran will never negotiate in good faith with the USA as long as that situation exists.

Sooo..I believe it is a good thing to try to work with Russia, but in regards to Iran and N. Korea at the present time? Not so much. :no:

Defense Secretary Gen. Mattis and National Security Advisor Gen. H. R. McMaster both label Russia as our number one adversary as does the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe (SACEUR) General Curtis Scaparrotti.

If Trump hadn't behaved like the world's guiltiest human then it's a sure bet Congress never would have done this.

But he's acting like a guy who walks into a bank when it's 98 degrees outside, he's sweating profusely, looking around nervously with wide eyes (in particular at the security cameras), has one hand inside his coat, and doesn't understand why the bank's security guards are taking a particularly keen interest in him.

Sure, nobody knows this guy is a bank robber, but c'mon.

Cardinal said:

If Trump hadn't behaved like the world's guiltiest human then it's a sure bet Congress never would have done this.

But he's acting like a guy who walks into a bank when it's 98 degrees outside, he's sweating profusely, looking around nervously with wide eyes (in particular at the security cameras), has one hand inside his coat, and doesn't understand why the bank's security guards are taking a particularly keen interest in him.

Sure, nobody knows this guy is a bank robber, but c'mon.

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Yep-- and the suspicions of the security guard doesn't make him a bank robber.

Trump is his own worst enemy.

Roycarn said:

House, Senate reach deal on Russia sanctions, will vote Tuesday - CBS News





I'd honestly be very surprised if Trump tried to veto this proposal. Since only around 60% of Americans believe that Russia attempted to intervene in the election, I'd love to know what Trump supporters on DP think about the latest Congressional effort to keep sanctions on actors like Russia in place. I imagine that additional sanctions on North Korea and Iran will persuade Congressional Republicans to accept it.

In that light, why hasn't Trump struck a more conciliatory tone with these last two as opposed to Russia. The same arguments for Trump's Russia dealings apply to Iran at the very least (ie. what's wrong with sitting down with a hostile foreign power?).

What are you're thoughts?

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There is an interesting dichotomy here. Europe is very much against new sanctions. They have taken the brunt of the initial sanctions, which they are apart of.

New unilateral sanctions from the US will hurt them more. As much as I would like to turn in the screws with Russia, I wonder if there isn't another way that doesn't hurt our Europe partners.

The problem, confirmed by the new Director of Comms yesterday, is that Trump still doesn't believe that Russia did wrong.

Trump has to sign the bill whether he likes it or not. If he were to veto, he still looks like he has a conflict of interest and it increases suspicions.

People don't talk about it much, but this is why integrity is crutial to being effective as President. Trump is a habitual lier and has zero credibility with anyone than his rabid supporters.

This brings us to the dichatamy. If Trump vetoed and said we need to find another way to deal with Russia that does not further hurt Europe economically, yet still pressures Russia on it's interference in the US and Ukraine nobody would believe him.

Those who believed them would be supporting Europe which is big no no as they hate Europe.

That is why Trump will sign anything put in front of him. He can't win.



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