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Mueller Expands Probe to Trump Business Transactions[W:460]

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upsideguy said:
It's likely the Mueller investigation will be definitive. It will either exonerate Trump and quell Democratic calls for impeachment so that he can get on with his agenda OR it will be an overwhelming evidenced based indictment of corruption that will quickly run him from office. It is unlikely that it will take four years. It may take a year, however.

I suppose the ugly result could be that we get a wishy-washy answer like the Hillary Clinton case that there was wrong-doing, but not chargeable wrong doing; not really exonerated, but not really having the basis to run him out of office.

In the end, though, running Trump from office will be tied to impeachment, which is a political process and thus ultimately decided by his toxicity, which is measured by his approval rating.
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Ah, just enough then to shamelessly use in political attack ads in the 2018 & 2020 elections then, all which will favor most glorious DNC candidates.

Like I've said all along, whoever is behind this is vastly scummier than Donald Trump. I hope the people see it too and vote accordingly.
 
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I don't really much care if Trump was involved with the Russians or not (I think he was not but his people were to a small/medium extent)...I just want whatever he/his people did to make him do something so incredibly stupid (like firing Mueller) that it forces him to quit/be impeached.

I think Trump is a liar, a con artist, a fool, VERY delusional, stupid and either has the emotional maturity of a 12-year-old or has early stage senility...and I seriously think he is a danger to America and the entire world as POTUS.

I never thought I would say this...but I miss the days when the worst thing about POTUS's was they were politically inept and probably corrupt to some extent.

I despised both GWB and Obama as POTUS's (for somewhat different reasons)...but I would LOVE it if either one of them took over for Trump.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Ah, just enough then to shamelessly use in political attack ads in the 2018 & 2020 elections then, all which will favor most glorious DNC candidates.

Like I've said all along, whoever is behind this is vastly scummier than Donald Trump. I hope the people see it too and vote accordingly.
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:lamo Like the Democrats need that to expose the Trump idiocy/Trump stupidity. Trump gives the democrats so much attack fodder they do not need to depend on any investigations.
 
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Peter King said:
:lamo Like the Democrats need that to expose the Trump idiocy/Trump stupidity. Trump gives the democrats so much attack fodder they do not need to depend on any investigations.
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Peter......you said that in 2016 too. So did the entire press. The New York Times ran a story on the Monday before the election which stated HRC had a 93% chance of winning.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Ah, just enough then to shamelessly use in political attack ads in the 2018 & 2020 elections then, all which will favor most glorious DNC candidates.

Like I've said all along, whoever is behind this is vastly scummier than Donald Trump. I hope the people see it too and vote accordingly.
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No one is scummer than Donald Trump the Scummiest.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Peter......you said that in 2016 too. So did the entire press. The New York Times ran a story on the Monday before the election which stated HRC had a 93% chance of winning.
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She did win the PV, as predicted. Trump managed to get the 77K votes he needed to slide over in those red counties with hope to win. If he cannot convince those voters he has done right by them and 1 out of 8 is already doubting the vote, then he will lose in 2020, provided he is still around.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Peter......you said that in 2016 too. So did the entire press. The New York Times ran a story on the Monday before the election which stated HRC had a 93% chance of winning.
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And how could I say that in 2016, there was no Mueller investigation or a Trump presidency in 2016.

Yeah, but this time they have 2 or 4 years of Trump administration rather than vague comments from Trump. Also, this time there is no Hillary to make the issue more difficult (or Comey).
 
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Mac77 said:
Trump told us what he would do if elected and the political insiders were certain the could never get nominated much less elected

That takes honesty and courage and a big set of balls on trumps part
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...or the right mix of narcissism, arrogance and ignorance.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Ah, just enough then to shamelessly use in political attack ads in the 2018 & 2020 elections then, all which will favor most glorious DNC candidates.

Like I've said all along, whoever is behind this is vastly scummier than Donald Trump. I hope the people see it too and vote accordingly.
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Ima say it isn't possible to be vastly scummier than trump without exceeding the definition of "scummy".
 
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jghiretire said:
Obama complied with the tax returns and his birth certificate - you must really like that alternate universe. Are you KAC in disguise??
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It took 5 years to see the BC and we still haven't seen his college transcripts. Do you think it's because he was a D student in college, or because he went to Harvard as a foreign exchange student?
 
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upsideguy said:
Emoluments.... you know, what we are likely to learn from Mueller. It is my bet that Trump's fortunes are so tied to Russia that they could financially crush him at their whim.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
Donald Trump'''s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia | Time.com
Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings
Eric Trump Reportedly Bragged About Access to $100 Million in Russian | Vanity Fair
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...trumps-ties-russia-go-back-30-years/97949746/

I do admit this is intelligent speculation on my part, but its the one common thread that explains everything.

We need Mueller to help us see if this it true (so we can dump the guy) or not true (so he and we can get back to business)....
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If there was anything incriminating in his tax returns, the IRS would have (should have?) reported it to Congress by now.
 
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apdst said:
If there was anything incriminating in his tax returns, the IRS would have (should have?) reported it to Congress by now.
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No. I don't think you understand how tax returns are used in forensic accounting. From the IRS perspective, the returns could be 100% legit. However, the returns will show all of the sources of Trump income (and losses) and loans. Its a starting point of the investigation. The sources of income and losses will look benign on the tax return, but with those tax ID numbers of the paying entities, they can be traced, likely though lots of entities, to the ultimate source. Money laundering usually involves multiple layers of entities (partnerships, LLCs, corporations), each with their own tax IDs and each with their own individual ownership characteristics. Because real estate activities are usually set up using multiple entities, real estate is one of the favorite places for people to launder money.

Worry not, the Mueller team has experts in fraud and international money laundering on the team. While the process is long and tedious, they will find the truth. The truth will set Trump* (or US) free.
 
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upsideguy said:
No. I don't think you understand how tax returns are used in forensic accounting. From the IRS perspective, the returns could be 100% legit. However, it will show all of the sources of Trump income and loans. These items will look benign on the tax return, but with those tax ID numbers of the paying entities, they can be traced, likely though lots of entities, to the ultimate source.
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I know enough about tax returns to know that if they aren't illegal on their face, they probably wont lead to anything that is illegal. That's just wishful thinking on your part because so far, every "slam dunk" has been a dry hole.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Okay, I can pick apart that statement in a million different ways, but this not a topic about media bias and your statement is broad that it doesn't say anything relevant to the issues at hand, so in that regard, let's stick to the topic of the thread, shall we? You can always start a new thread about media bias if you wish.

Let's say Mueller finds something in regards in terms of corruption or collusion in regards to Trump, would you accept those findings or does Trump screaming fake news give him an instant get of jail free card and absolves him of personal responsibility?

How can one claim to support personal responsibility and then turn around and suggest there should be no accountability for Trump and say everything is the liberal media's fault? That is a massive contradiction.
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It depends on what kind of witch mueller's witch hunt finds

I can't think of any improprieties that would cause me to turn on trump but if mueller goes back 20 years for travels to every corner of the globe he might find something that would excite the rabid anti trumpsters

But nothing at all is enough for them to want him gone from office
 
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jghiretire said:
and they hate Hillary - so think...........do you really think they would willingly give her anything?? Really??
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I know they would because the liberal pollsters would tell them they will lose the womens vote and their seat in congress if they dont grovel to the first woman president
 
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apdst said:
I know enough about tax returns to know that if they aren't illegal on their face, they probably wont lead to anything that is illegal. That's just wishful thinking on your part because so far, every "slam dunk" has been a dry hole.
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Maybe you know something about tax returns, but you appear not to anything about forensic / investigative accounting. The tax returns are a great starting point for identifying entities and beginning the trace of the money. It isn't the the story; its just the best starting point.
 
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Mac77 said:
I know they would because the liberal pollsters would tell them they will lose the womens vote and their seat in congress if they dont grovel to the first woman president
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Nikki Haley? Remember the racial slurs slung at her by the teat party in South Carolina ?
 
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Mac77 said:
There is a lot of simularity between the corrupt washington establishment of 2017 that is conspiring against trump and Stalin's soviet police state in 1936
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Whats corrupt about pointing out that now 4 people in his admin or campaign lied about meetings with the Russians? what's corrupt about investigating Russia's meddling in our election? the answer to both questions is nothing.
 
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apdst said:
4 people died! Damn right it was brought up!

Now, back on the topic.
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3000 died on 9-11 because Bush wanted to invade Iraq. Can I bring that up?
 
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Mac77 said:
It depends on what kind of witch mueller's witch hunt finds

I can't think of any improprieties that would cause me to turn on trump but if mueller goes back 20 years for travels to every corner of the globe he might find something that would excite the rabid anti trumpsters

But nothing at all is enough for them to want him gone from office
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Democracy or a Republic, doesn't work, if enough people treats a political leader as almost infallible and dismisses any criticism of him as irrelevant.

If you think Trump should be a standard of zero accountability, fine, whatever, do what you will. But don't blame others if something bad comes of this and don't expect others to be comfortable with demanding zero accountability from the President of the United States.

Personal responsibility is a worthless concept if you do not apply it to yourself and your allies first, its only worth as much as you are willing to practice it.
 
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apdst said:
It's officially a witch hunt.
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Actually, no it's not. If you've read Deputy AG Rosenstein's memo appointing Mueller as the Special Counsel, you'd know he has broad range to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the (Russian hacking and possible collusion) investigation." Paragraph 600.4(a) reads:

The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
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Furthermore, as Special Counsel, Mueller is authorized "to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters" using Title 28, Sections 600.4 thru 600.10 of US Code of Federal Regulations (CFR).

So, no. It's not a witch hunt. It's the Special Counsel adhering to his mandate and following the evidence wherever it leads him in carrying out this investigation. Now, here's something few people know. Want to know the real reason Pres. Trump is pissed that AG Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation? Read Title 28, CFR 600.7(d).
 
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Lutherf said:
This is setting an untenable precedent.

The next time a Democrat gets into office the Republicans are going to spend the entire first term investigating them for any potential, possible, devastating to national security contacts with unsavory characters. Then the next Republican elected will be water boarded until they confess to something and the circle will continue.

This isn't about politics and it's not about national security. It's about a political outsider getting elected and the political insiders getting their panties in a bunch. That's all it's about and the shenanigans really need to stop.
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Nope. It's the mandate the Special Counsel was authorized to do following long established law. See my post #374 above.
 
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