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Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Moscow

Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

We don't need those so-called "moderate Syrian rebels" to get rid of Assad. We just need to get rid of ISIS. The Middle East countries will get rid of Assad...politically. The only reason Assad is still in power is because he can play ISIS off against the rest of the ME. Once they are gone, he'll have no more excuses for the things he does to his own people.

Furthermore, Obama did the "arm the rebel" thing and it got him into a lot of trouble because he ended up arming terrorists...and he knew it was going to happen. Trump is smart to remove the US from that tar baby.

The Kurd's are not terrorists and they have been invaluable as allies in the fight against ISIS. It is just like Trump to pull the rug out from under our allies in deference to Putin. When are you going to wise up? How much does Trump have to give up before you realize where his loyalties lie? Next Trump will give back Russia's "spy houses", just wait.
 
Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

That is a weird sticking point and amounts to a Catch 22.

If Trump is listening to his SecDef on matters of foreign military engagement then that is more a point in Trump's favor than against Trump. If stopping the program is in the US best interests then WTF get upset about it or drag Russia into it? If Trump was making decisions so that he wouldn't look like a Russian puppet then that would be just as bad as him being a Russian puppet. At this point the colluders are more Russian puppets than Trump is. Putin lives in their head rent free. You don't think Putin loves t when the Colluder crowd attacks Trump at every turn? They are as good as any destabilization program Russia could have built on purpose.



If you want to run in and blow **** up and run out then you are leaving Syria in a worse condition than when Assad was in power. It sucks, and is frustrating, but that is the reality. To make a change in Syria we would need an engagement with the Syrian Government much like thee US involvement in Egypt pre-2008. Egypt before 2008 was the last smart thing we did in the Middle East and the last president did everything in his power to undo it. Luckily the Egyptian military was pretty much idiot proofed by smart leaders than Obama.



Not really true. Iraq was pacified when the troops left. The problem was that we bungled Syria badly and allowed ISIS to gain power and weapons, and left the Iraqi military without sufficient logistical support to conduct a war. The problem with Iraq wasn't that they hated us, it was that they didn't trust each other. When ISIS invaded the Iraqi government' strategy was to pull all resources back to Baghdad to protect the government and leave the military units in Mosul and elsewhere without weapons and ammunition. The reason they are winning today is because the US military is back in charge of logistics and planning.

If he scaled it back, and waited for the whole collusion thing to die down (if it does) then did it, it would look better for him and yield the same results. Or if he announced a new approach and just included this under the new initiatives umbrella, that would be great to. But just up and pull this right when we find out about an hour long conversation with Putin that only the Russians have a record of, just doesn't sit right with me. Trump's in a compromised position at this point on anything to do with the Russians. And honestly, I'm not worried about the optics to the American people, he's our idiot we can question him and his actions all we want. It's what it looks like to our allies and trade partners that has me concerned.

I think Putin loves it when the colluder crowd questions Trump, it weakens us. It's why he's done everything in his power to put Trump in the position of allegedly colluding. It's entirely possibly that Trump is a victim of Russian propaganda influencing our media. It's entirely possible Putin influenced our election to get Trump in without Trump being the wiser, just because he knows Trump is easily manipulated. It's also entirely possible Trump did collude. Either optics serves Putin in the end. It shows he is strong enough to divide us and cause infighting. Whether Trump colluded or not. It's why I think Trump should avoid looking overly friendly to Russia and focus on domestic issues primarily til the collusion narrative blows over or resolves itself. If I had to choose between Trump's collusion being exposed or not, I would pick not. Not because I like Trump, I think he's a conman. But because I don't like the idea of the world knowing the US is weak enough for something like this to happen. If solid evidence is ever found of Trump colluding, and if it exists I'm sure our intelligence agencies already have it, I hope it stays buried. We can survive four years of Trump, anything he does we can fix. We can't fix the world knowing that you can bring us down by manipulating our dumb people into voting for a celebrity playing to the cheap seats.
 
Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

Trump handed Syria to Putin.

Not looking good for the Syrian Kurds who have done 98% of the heavy lifting liberating the ISIS capital of Raqqah.
 
Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

The Kurd's are not terrorists and they have been invaluable as allies in the fight against ISIS. It is just like Trump to pull the rug out from under our allies in deference to Putin. When are you going to wise up? How much does Trump have to give up before you realize where his loyalties lie? Next Trump will give back Russia's "spy houses", just wait.

Kurds??? Who mentioned Kurds? Not I.

In fact, the Kurds have nothing to do with this latest action by Trump. We haven't ended our aid to them. Just to the "moderate Syrian rebels"...who are NOT Kurds.
 
Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

Kurds??? Who mentioned Kurds? Not I.

In fact, the Kurds have nothing to do with this latest action by Trump. We haven't ended our aid to them. Just to the "moderate Syrian rebels"...who are NOT Kurds.

It appears you are correct and I am relieved that at least they are not being snubbed...for now. Once Raqqa is free of ISIS, I fear that might change.
 
Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

Why was it okay for Bush/Cheney to do those things but not Obama ?



no, that's what it means to "change ones mind".


I supported the iraq war, as it became apparent it was not what was sold to us or that we would have staying power so that us troops don't die in vain, I changed my position on military interventionism and fighting other peoples wars.
 
Re: Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria,move sought by Mo

If he scaled it back, and waited for the whole collusion thing to die down (if it does) then did it, it would look better for him and yield the same results. Or if he announced a new approach and just included this under the new initiatives umbrella, that would be great to. But just up and pull this right when we find out about an hour long conversation with Putin that only the Russians have a record of, just doesn't sit right with me. Trump's in a compromised position at this point on anything to do with the Russians. And honestly, I'm not worried about the optics to the American people, he's our idiot we can question him and his actions all we want. It's what it looks like to our allies and trade partners that has me concerned.


Again, you are asking a President to alter how they perform their duties in accordance to whatever it is that Putin and Russia wants or doesn't want. I'm not sure how you would "scale it back". Is his action good for the goals he has set for the country or not? If the answer is yes then who gives a rats ass how that aligns with Putin other than people far too concerned with unproven collusion stories? On the political front I would guess he rightly assumes that the people who fall into that camp would find a way to equate whatever he is doing with their imagined Russian collusion anyway.

I think Putin loves it when the colluder crowd questions Trump, it weakens us. It's why he's done everything in his power to put Trump in the position of allegedly colluding. It's entirely possibly that Trump is a victim of Russian propaganda influencing our media. It's entirely possible Putin influenced our election to get Trump in without Trump being the wiser, just because he knows Trump is easily manipulated. It's also entirely possible Trump did collude. Either optics serves Putin in the end. It shows he is strong enough to divide us and cause infighting. Whether Trump colluded or not. It's why I think Trump should avoid looking overly friendly to Russia and focus on domestic issues primarily til the collusion narrative blows over or resolves itself. If I had to choose between Trump's collusion being exposed or not, I would pick not. Not because I like Trump, I think he's a conman. But because I don't like the idea of the world knowing the US is weak enough for something like this to happen. If solid evidence is ever found of Trump colluding, and if it exists I'm sure our intelligence agencies already have it, I hope it stays buried. We can survive four years of Trump, anything he does we can fix. We can't fix the world knowing that you can bring us down by manipulating our dumb people into voting for a celebrity playing to the cheap seats.

I think that Putin was prepared regardless of who won. He likely did set the stage for the current "crisis" for Trump because he knew that he already had a ready and willing propaganda machine ready to feed a destabilizing narrative against Trump both in the media, and in the government itself. I don't think that everyone eating and sleeping Trump collusion narrative right now realize that they are more a Russian puppet than Trump and are playing a bigger part in destabilizing this country than Trump is.
 
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