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U.S. to Allow 15,000 Extra Temporary Worker Visas This Year

Chomsky

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The article intro:

Despite President Trump's vow to put American workers first, the administration on Monday announced that it will allow an additional 15,000 low-wage, seasonal workers into the United States during the remainder of the fiscal year.

The H-2B visas are designed for non-agricultural workers for jobs in a variety of businesses, including fisheries, construction, hotels, restaurants and resorts. The Trump Organization is among the firms that use the visas, including workers at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

The United States grants up to 33,000 such visas every six months, meaning the additional visas will provide a 45% increase for the second half of the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.
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And the administration spin contained within:

"We’re talking about American businesses that are at risk of suffering irreparable harm if they don’t get additional H-2B workers, so we do think that fits into the ‘America first’ focus of the administration,” Homeland Security spokesman David Lapan told reporters Monday.

The visa expansion was first approved by Congress, which authorized the administration to add up to 70,000 H-2B visas. Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., helped lead the charge and applauded Monday's announcement.

"As President Trump has noted, the H-2B program is vital for businesses that desperately need temporary help to keep their doors open and keep their American workforce employed," Tillis said.
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Source: U.S.A. Today: U.S. to Allow 15,000 Extra Temporary Worker Visas This Year

Alright, increasing the number of H2B workers would seem to be in conflict with the MAGA Promise. But since the Trump Organization uses a significant number of these workers, should we assume Trump knows better than us?

You decide!
 
Chomsky said:
The article intro:



And the administration spin contained within:



Source: U.S.A. Today: U.S. to Allow 15,000 Extra Temporary Worker Visas This Year

Alright, increasing the number of H2B workers would seem to be in conflict with the MAGA Promise. But since the Trump Organization uses a significant number of these workers, should we assume Trump knows better than us?

You decide!
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That's funny, the CBS Evening News broadcast from last night detailed how Trump's administration was single handedly destroying several industries by not granting enough H2-B's. Trump will be lambasted by the MSM regardless of what he does.
 
As long as they're not from the banned Muslim nations and they're all subjected to Extreme Vetting.

I'm approving.
 
truthatallcost said:
That's funny, the CBS Evening News broadcast from last night detailed how Trump's administration was single handedly destroying several industries by not granting enough H2-B's. Trump will be lambasted by the MSM regardless of what he does.
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Well, I can't speak to that above.

But with corporate profits and stock prices at a record high, I fail to see how bringing in more imported workers will cause wage growth for American jobs.

So far I see Trump doing things to increase corporate profits, but have yet to see the blue collar rural guy benefit.

But the markets and profits are flying, that I'll admit.
 
Vox said:
As long as they're not from the banned Muslim nations and they're all subjected to Extreme Vetting.

I'm approving.
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Why?

Why not give Americans the first shot at these jobs, and allow free-market principles to promote wages providing a sustainable income for our fellow Americans?
 
Jobs are coming for all.

America is becoming great again.......despite the obstructionism of the butt-hurt Hillary fans.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I can't speak to that above.

But with corporate profits and stock prices at a record high, I fail to see how bringing in more imported workers will cause wage growth for American jobs.

So far I see Trump doing things to increase corporate profits, but have yet to see the blue collar rural guy benefit.

But the markets and profits are flying, that I'll admit.
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By definition, H2-A & H2-B Visas are supposed to only be granted in areas of employment where not enough Americans exist to do those jobs. One such example is farm labor. If you think Trump granted Visas so he could fill job slots at his casinos, I think you're a little off the mark.
 
Vox said:
As long as they're not from the banned Muslim nations and they're all subjected to Extreme Vetting.

I'm approving.
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The problem with these though is a lot of companies manipulate this to get rid of higher paid us workers and then hire h2b workers. They can get around the rules on it pretty easily. tech companies do this a lot.
 
truthatallcost said:
By definition, H2-A & H2-B Visas are supposed to only be granted in areas of employment where not enough Americans exist to do those jobs. One such example is farm labor. If you think Trump granted Visas so he could fill job slots at his casinos, I think you're a little off the mark.
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farm workers are H1B visas, H2B visas are non agricultural. its mostly tech.
 
The simple fact is that there are many jobs that Americans could do but won't. Migrant farming is the best example. When a few states went illegal-crazy, illegals didn't show up to do their accustomed migrant farm labor role.

Result: crops rotted in the field.



Americans just don't want to do that work for that labor. The only way to compel them would be to remove the safety net, but that has it's own issues.
 
Chomsky said:
Why?

Why not give Americans the first shot at these jobs, and allow free-market principles to promote wages providing a sustainable income for our fellow Americans?
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#1 There's a lot of work that Americans won't do anymore, like seasonal work, due to perceptions of standard of living and its entitlements. Only the most direly poor will do it and they live in make-shift camps where buses shuttle them to work every day.

#2 Immigrant workers are usually okay with being paid less because they are making USD which still amounts to way more than they'd make in their home countries.

#3 Some temporary workers are here on skills and development exchanges through corporate relationships with companies in their home countries. These are reciprocal arrangements.

#4 In most cutting edge jobs, there are more people in populated countries like India and China with advanced skill sets than there are workers in those entire fields in the U.S. Companies have a right to seek the highest qualifications from any source now -- you can thank globalization for that. If an IT person in India has more skills than the resume pool of Americans and will accept lower pay then he's going to be offered a visa, and the government will allow it because it technically qualifies as need.

#5 Temporary workers are not entitled to the same rights as American citizens, and they tend to be more reliable/better behaved so that they won't be sent home.

#6 Temporary workers tend to be contractual whereas most Americans are looking for permanent work.

#7 The skilled population is aging and retiring and despite the propaganda there is not enough equivalent skill to replace it. We have and always will be in need of immigrant workers to shore up our economy.

The list goes on.
 
truthatallcost said:
That's funny, the CBS Evening News broadcast from last night detailed how Trump's administration was single handedly destroying several industries by not granting enough H2-B's. Trump will be lambasted by the MSM regardless of what he does.
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Except if you actually READ the article, it doesn't lambast him.

It just... Yah know for the most part points out what happened.
 
truthatallcost said:
By definition, H2-A & H2-B Visas are supposed to only be granted in areas of employment where not enough Americans exist to do those jobs. One such example is farm labor. If you think Trump granted Visas so he could fill job slots at his casinos, I think you're a little off the mark.
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No idea, there. It's possible.

But I'd rather see the free-market work here, by allowing the demand to increase wages to the point where more of my fellow citizens were employed.

BTW - as pointed-out above and in the article, H2B is non-farm workers.
 
Golly. I hope he can hire housekeepers and grape wine pruners for his winery.
 
Vox said:
Jobs are coming for all.

America is becoming great again.......despite the obstructionism of the butt-hurt Hillary fans.
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Hillary fans? Your boy Trump controls the House, the Senate and the White House and you want to say Hillary fans have some kind of influence? Pay attention- if America isn't great agin by mid-terms it's your boy Trump's fault. No American president was ever handed a better opportunity to make his vision a reality, and your boy is squandering the opportunity with partisan squabbling. What does he have to have handed to him before you'll admit he holds all the cards and can't win the hand? Can you ever admit that your boy is incompetent?
 
Chomsky said:
The article intro:



And the administration spin contained within:



Source: U.S.A. Today: U.S. to Allow 15,000 Extra Temporary Worker Visas This Year

Alright, increasing the number of H2B workers would seem to be in conflict with the MAGA Promise. But since the Trump Organization uses a significant number of these workers, should we assume Trump knows better than us?

You decide!
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Considering one of the biggest arguments against Trump's crackdown on illegal immigrants has been they fill jobs that otherwise wouldn't get filled by US citizens, and, the fact that illegal immigration has reduced by somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% since he took office, I would think increasing work visas and legal immigration is just smart.

I prefer that we say, just like we did with H1B visa program during the Tech boom of the 90s, that we increase visas to meet demand and give immigrants a legal shot in the US instead of advocating for illegal immigration.

No?
 
Crispy said:
Considering one of the biggest arguments against Trump's crackdown on illegal immigrants has been they fill jobs that otherwise wouldn't get filled by US citizens, and, the fact that illegal immigration has reduced by somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% since he took office, I would think increasing work visas and legal immigration is just smart.

I prefer that we say, just like we did with H1B visa program during the Tech boom of the 90s, that we increase visas to meet demand and give immigrants a legal shot in the US instead of advocating for illegal immigration.

No?
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Not really, but I can appreciate your point.

I'd rather continue to crack down hard on illegal immigration, and perhaps more importantly illegal employers, and let the free market get a chance at improving wages for my fellow Americans.
 
Chomsky said:
If the demand is there to pay enough, they will!

And I'd be happy enough, for them.
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Hell no as if our farm prices are out of line with world farm prices food will be shipped in from such countries as Mexico and the farmers will join Tramp former casinos workers on the unemployed line.
 
Chomsky said:
Not really, but I can appreciate your point.

I'd rather continue to crack down hard on illegal immigration, and perhaps more importantly illegal employers, and let the free market get a chance at improving wages for my fellow Americans.
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I can't disagree with your point either. I think it's much more practical to say if we're espousing a compassionate policy towards migration that we make our legal migration and worker programs adequate to meet the country's needs and, yep, crack down on employers.
 
BillRM said:
Hell no as if our farm prices are out of line with world farm prices food will be shipped in from such countries as Mexico and the farmers will Tramp former casinos workers on the unemployed line.
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Remains to be seen.

I'd still do it.

If we start seeing too many negative effects, we can always back-off.
 
Crispy said:
I can't disagree with your point either. I think it's much more practical to say if we're espousing a compassionate policy towards migration that we make our legal migration and worker programs adequate to meet the country's needs and, yep, crack down on employers.
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Yep, I'm good with that.

The problem I see is the illegally immigration, AND illegal hiring!

Get everything done reasonably legally, and we can get better metrics and tune immigration to fit our needs while remaining compassionate and adhering to American principles.
 
Mr Person said:
The simple fact is that there are many jobs that Americans could do but won't. Migrant farming is the best example. When a few states went illegal-crazy, illegals didn't show up to do their accustomed migrant farm labor role.

Result: crops rotted in the field.



Americans just don't want to do that work for that labor. The only way to compel them would be to remove the safety net, but that has it's own issues.
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Farm workers do not fall under H2-B.
 
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