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Trump spoke with Putin at the end of the G20 social dinner

HowardBThiname said:
That's highly unlikely, given that they were sitting at a table surrounded by others.
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Regardless of what you think is likely, the article was explicitly clear that nobody was close enough to hear anything they were saying. Only Putin, the translator and Trump were present for the conversation. If you have facts that suggest others were present and could hear the content of the discussion, I'm open to hearing them.

There is no official United States government record of the intimate dinner conversation, because no American official other than the president was involved.
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“We’re all going to be wondering what was said, and that’s where it’s unfortunate that there was no U.S. interpreter, because there is no independent American account of what happened,” said Steven Pifer, a former ambassador to Ukraine who also specializes in Russia and nuclear arms control.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/world/europe/trump-putin-undisclosed-meeting.html

Your opinion that other people knew what they were saying because "there were English speaking people in the room" is rejected.
 
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slick said:
Trump spoke with Putin at the end of the G20 social dinner

Oh the horror, shame on him!
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I have to agree.
the horror. these people just never quit.
TDS is strong with them.
 
prometeus said:
True, yet even the most ferocious scavenger has to feed and now it is being fed from the top. Stop the feeding and they will stop the feeding frenzy.
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Yellow journalism doesn't start at the top, ever.

It's pulled from the depth of the cesspool and only continues as long as people willing to consume that kind of effluent lap it up.

If you could sell out your daily supply of dog poop at the price of gold, when would you stop selling it?
 
Manc Skipper said:
"It was just a brief social chat". Trump, Putin and Putin's interpreter. For an hour. That's longer off the record than the official meeting they DID tell us about was originally planned for.
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They were probably just exchanging news about their grandchildren
 
Cardinal said:
Regardless of what you think is likely, the article was explicitly clear that nobody was close enough to hear anything they were saying. Only Putin, the translator and Trump were present for the conversation. If you have facts that suggest others were present and could hear the content of the discussion, I'm open to hearing them.





https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/world/europe/trump-putin-undisclosed-meeting.html

Your opinion that other people knew what they were saying because "there were English speaking people in the room" is rejected.
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Trump took his wife's seat. The discussion took place at the table. Unless the translator (and Trump) spoke in whispers, which no one is alluding to, many others were in earshot. The German hosts arranged the seating and allowed each party to bring a single translator. The translator from the US spoke Japanese. It's hard to believe that a chat between leaders could be turned into another huge conspiracy. No one treated Obama's chats with other leaders that way. This is desperation and ill-will. Nothing more.

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HowardBThiname said:
Trump took his wife's seat. The discussion took place at the table. Unless the translator (and Trump) spoke in whispers, which no one is alluding to, many others were in earshot. The German hosts arranged the seating and allowed each party to bring a single translator. The translator from the US spoke Japanese. It's hard to believe that a chat between leaders could be turned into another huge conspiracy. No one treated Obama's chats with other leaders that way. This is desperation and ill-will. Nothing more.

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Obama didn't lie about 100% of his meetings with a foreign adversary, so we can drop the notion that Trump deserves the same benefit of the doubt that Obama deserved. Trump has thoroughly squandered his credibility, so it is incumbent on him and his supporters to provide an innocent and reasonable explanation for why Trump and everybody around him have lied 100% of the time regarding meetings with Russians, and why it was necessary for this meeting to be secretive, off the record, and away from the ears of anybody else.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Trump spoke with Putin at the end of the G20 social dinner - CNNPolitics.com

"Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, spoke for a second time on July 7 following their two-hour-long bilateral meeting earlier that day.

"There was a couples-only social dinner at the G20. Toward the end, the President spoke to Putin at the dinner," National Security Council spokesman Michael Anton told CNN Tuesday of the previously undisclosed meeting.
"No staff or Cabinet were at the dinner at all, for any of the countries," with the exception of translators, Anton said."

Apparently, the meeting went for about an hour, and the only translator present was Putin's.

I'm sure that this is the LAST undisclosed meeting with Russians we will hear about. At least this week.


And everyone knows its just good business sense to have the other translator present as the only translator - smart!

As David Frum said.... ''Trump has things to say to Putin that he wants literally nobody in the US govt to hear, very much including his own National Security team"
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I am of two minds. I would prefer every second of a President's time recorded. But I can't get overly agitated at two people at a meeting talking with each other.

But it is clear that liberals are desperate and therefore are grabbing for straws to club Trump with.
 
apdst said:
Why shouldn't he?
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Because it allows the Russians to gain control of the facts of the situation, assuming they had the conversation recorded. He should have at least brought in some intelligence officials to observe the situation.
 
joG said:
I am of two minds. I would prefer every second of a President's time recorded. But I can't get overly agitated at two people at a meeting talking with each other.

But it is clear that liberals are desperate and therefore are grabbing for straws to club Trump with.
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But we both know this isn't just two people talking with each other.

It's a guy suspected of collusion with another guy who's pretty clearly implicated in attempting to throw the US election, and the meeting was inordinately long (according to the other leaders who were there) and comes after a 2 1/2 hour meeting they already had. And there were 18 other heads of state there that one generally would want to exchange pleasantries with, instead of spending an inordinate amount of time with the one guy who many of the G20 nations are very suspicious of.

In addition, this is a guy who 'accidentally' gave away some sensitive classified intelligence to the Russians in their one meeting already, pissing off several allies, and god knows what he accidentally spilled to the vastly more experienced Putin in this meeting.
 
Reagan used to speak with Gorbachev on the phone. They actually had a friendship.

Modern liberals are screwed in the head.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Reagan used to speak with Gorbachev on the phone. They actually had a friendship.

Modern liberals are screwed in the head.
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Gorbachev never had the Soviet Union try and influence the outcome of Reagan's election.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Reagan used to speak with Gorbachev on the phone. They actually had a friendship.

Modern liberals are screwed in the head.
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Did Reagan make certain that other people couldn't hear those conversations? Also, did he, his campaign and his administration lie about every single meeting they had with Russians, or did they have more credibility on that particular matter?
 
Cardinal said:
Did Reagan, his campaign and his administration lie about every single meeting they had with Russians? Or did they have more credibility on that particular matter?
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Trump sitting and talking with Putin during the G20..........wheres the beef?

Obama never did it because he was constantly used as a fiddle by Putin.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Reagan used to speak with Gorbachev on the phone. They actually had a friendship.

Modern liberals are screwed in the head.
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Was Reagan talking to Russians to get dirt on his opponents? No, he wasn't.
 
Cardinal said:
Did Reagan make certain that other people couldn't hear those conversations? Also, did he, his campaign and his administration lie about every single meeting they had with Russians, or did they have more credibility on that particular matter?
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Well, to give Trump credit, Reagan never had to have long conversations to review the kompromat the Russians had on him.

I'm sure Putin was reminding Trump of all the financial records and pee tapes at his disposal.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Trump sitting and talking with Putin during the G20..........wheres the beef?

Obama never did it because he was constantly used as a fiddle by Putin.
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You bring up Obama and Reagan as if they are equal situations. Please answer the following questions:

1. Did Russia interfere in the US elections in order to get Obama and Reagan elected, and did they in fact reach out to those campaigns in order to help?
2. Did Obama and Reagan express an eagerness to collude with Russia in order to help Russia achieve those goals?
3. Did Obama and Reagan work to undermine the key alliance tasked with containing Russian aggression?
4. Did Obama and Reagan have business dealings in Russia, and if so, did they work assiduously to keep the details of those businesses secret?
5. Did Obama and Reagan speak with their Russian counterparts with the goal of making certain nobody else but Russians could hear the details of their conversations?
6. And finally, the most important question of them all: Did Obama and Reagan, their campaigns and their administrations lie 100% of the time regarding meetings with Russians?
 
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Praxas said:
Was Reagan talking to Russians to get dirt on his opponents? No, he wasn't.
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Did Hillary get in bed with the Ukraine for the same reasons? Did Trump get any dirt about Hillary that wasn't already known?

Did Obama try to influence the Israel elections?


Talk about hypocrisy....... liberals are a special case.
 
Cardinal said:
You bring up Obama and Reagan as if they are equal situations. Please answer the following questions:

1. Did Russia interfere in the US elections in order to get Obama and Reagan elected, and in fact reach out to those campaigns in order to help?
2. Did Obama and Reagan express an eagerness to collude with Russia in order to help Russia achieve those goals?
3. Did Obama and Reagan work to undermine the key alliance tasked with containing Russian aggression?
4. Did Obama and Reagan have business dealings in Russia, and if so, did they work assiduously to keep the details of that business secret?
5. And finally, the most important question of them all: Did Obama and Reagan, their campaigns and their administrations lie 100% of time regarding their meetings with Russians?
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They are equal.... and liberals hate it when others play their own game better than they do.

I never saw a post from you about the V15 scandal......................... but but but but.......Trump!

It's fine for a American president to spend US tax dollars trying to sway a Israeli election as long as he is a liberal.......right?
 
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