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Pence demands Congress ‘do their job’ after health bill collapse

FieldTheorist said:
They are doing their job, they're stopping Trump from getting what he wants. The problem is that there's abhorrent human beings like Pence and McConnell that want to basically destroy Obamacare and medicare/medicaid right alongside it.

There's a part of me that hopes they do. I'd love to see the 65+ crowd, who overwhelmingly voted Trump into the Oval Office, be welcomed to the reality of what it's like to live without health insurance. How you vote and what you believe has consequences, it'd be interesting to see how people will react to those consequences. The problem is that I don't want to live in this world, but the bigger issue is that the likelihood that medicare/medicaid gets substantial cuts, social security gets substantial cuts, and the ACA gets massive cuts or otherwise is repealed is basically sitting somewhere around 100%.
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Congress was trying to repeal Obamacare before Trump was Prez, so you don't know WTF you're talking about.

Are you personally without health insurance?
 
Cardinal said:
Seriously, why are you so hot and giddy for 32 million people to lose their insurance?
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probably because he(definitly I) are one of the 32 million that don't want to be forced to pay for it any longer.
 
if obamacare actually helped 32 million people, as you say, then why the **** didn't the democrats win in 20-30 million vote landslides in the past elections?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
probably because he(definitly I) are one of the 32 million that don't want to be forced to pay for it any longer.
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I see. So you didn't have an insurance plan?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
if obamacare actually helped 32 million people, as you say, then why the **** didn't the democrats win in 20-30 million vote landslides in the past elections?
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Because people like you believed you were paying for other people's Obamacare even if you had your own health insurance plans already.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Millions of Americans lost their insurance with Obamacare.
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False. Millions of Americans had their insurance replaced with better insurance. Sometimes it cost a little more, but you got what you paid for.

Athanasius68 said:
The life expectancy of Americans also declined after Obamacare was passed.
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Also false. There was a brief dip in 2015, but not related to Obamacare in anyway. In fact for some time now the U.S. has actually had a much lower life expectancy than most other wealthy western nations, and the single biggest reason for that is because unlike most other wealthy western nations we do NOT have universal health care.
 
Cardinal said:
Because people like you believed you were paying for other people's Obamacare even if you had your own health insurance plans already.
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And such people are correct. It is why premiums have gone up, why people lost their insurance or had other issues as well with it.
 
ludin said:
McConnell is a waste of space. He will do nothing that will jeopardize his seat.
This is the problem with the establishment. They are to comfortable with the don't rock the ship mentality.

All this nonsense over healthcare is just at nonsense. Hell I have a better plan and a better tax code than those morons.

Tax plan there are 2 tax brackets 10% and 25%. If you make less than 1m a year you pay 10% above that you pay 25%.

You will receive a standard deduction. So a single person will get a deduction of 20k a married of 30k. So you pay no tax up to that amount anything over that will be taxed at 10 or 25%. If you have kids than you can add 1k per kid to the deduction.
So a family of 4 would pay no tax on anything up to 32k dollars.

Capital gains is taxed at 15% still.

Insurance. Is now a HSA system. The government will every year issue a 2500 and a 5000 credit to the HSA account of the hold based on married or single. Kids will get a 500 credit per kid.

Employers will be given additional tax breaks if they contribute 5k or more per year to the HSA per employee.
Insurance will be only needed for catastrophic coverage. Dental and eye care can all be paid for from the HSA.

People can contribute up to 5k tax free per year to their HSA and 10k per year if you are 50 or older.

That is a baseline that would take care of the system. I really like how Singapore has their system setup and this is a similar model off that.
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That amount of money in a HSA is a drop in the bucket if someone gets cancer or needs a transplant. What is your proposal then? Let them die if they can't afford treatment?
 
MrWonka said:
False. Millions of Americans had their insurance replaced with better insurance. Sometimes it cost a little more, but you got what you paid for.



Also false. There was a brief dip in 2015, but not related to Obamacare in anyway. In fact for some time now the U.S. has actually had a much lower life expectancy than most other wealthy western nations, and the single biggest reason for that is because unlike most other wealthy western nations we do NOT have universal health care.
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My insurance is worse than it was. Not alone in the problem.
Was the drop in life expectancy the result of the deleterious effects of Obamacare? Many of the notes posted here thus far are rooted in hysteria. Might as well continue the practice.
 
Athanasius68 said:
And such people are correct.
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If you had a plan, you weren't paying for other people's plans.

Athanasius68 said:
It is why premiums have gone up, why people lost their insurance or had other issues as well with it.
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The rate of premium increases have been even before and after implementation of the ACA. The main failing of the ACA is that it didn't act as a mechanism for stopping or slowing the premium rate hikes, but what it's not guilty of is increasing the rate hikes.
 
Athanasius68 said:
My insurance is worse than it was. Not alone in the problem.
Was the drop in life expectancy the result of the deleterious effects of Obamacare? Many of the notes posted here thus far are rooted in hysteria. Might as well continue the practice.
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How is the quality of your insurance worse than before the ACA?
 
Athanasius68 said:
My insurance is worse than it was. Not alone in the problem.
Was the drop in life expectancy the result of the deleterious effects of Obamacare? Many of the notes posted here thus far are rooted in hysteria. Might as well continue the practice.
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I hadn't heard the "Obamacare is killing people" one before. How is it doing that?
 
Cardinal said:
Seriously, why are you so hot and giddy for 32 million people to lose their insurance?
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A couple of weeks ago it was 22 million. Why did you add 10 million?
 
bearpoker said:
I'm enjoying the Trumpcare show. The only thing worse for Republicans than failure is success. If they succeed in repealing Obamacare, a lot of Trump voters will notice that they, or their kids or their parents, don't have health insurance anymore. Oops! :popcorn2:
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Unfortunately they won't notice for 2 years. McConnell is both sleazy and sneaky enough to make sure to pass the repeal bill but to delay the effects though the upcoming mid-terms. That way, by the time their constituents realize their healthcare is gone, it'll be too late :(
 
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Athanasius68 said:
My insurance is worse than it was. Not alone in the problem.
Was the drop in life expectancy the result of the deleterious effects of Obamacare? Many of the notes posted here thus far are rooted in hysteria. Might as well continue the practice.
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How is it worse? What coverage did you lose?
 
American said:
Pence demands Congress ?do their job? after health bill collapse | Fox News


Where the **** have you been with this repeal measure for the last six months, you Establishment Republican son of a bitch??? That's what you promised, and that's what I voted for. I hope Rand Paul etal keep voting NO until McConnell does what he promised.
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Actually, "they" are doing their jobs... unless one thinks their job is to be a rubber stamp for the WH. Not all of them campaigned on repealing Obamacare.
 
Cardinal said:
Seriously, why are you so hot and giddy for 32 million people to lose their insurance?
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Why shouldn't they take out their own insurance policies? I know it's easier, when the government takes it out of your paychecks like the Germans take ca 17 percent, but man! Aren't they grown up?
 
radcen said:
Actually, "they" are doing their jobs... unless one thinks their job is to be a rubber stamp for the WH. Not all of them campaigned on repealing Obamacare.
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Not one Republican campaigned on keeping Obamacare.
 
apdst said:
So, you're employing the tactic of lying to fear monger your agenda? Gotcha!
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No, it's that today is defined by a different set of circumstances than existed two weeks ago. This is because "events" happen on a linear timescale, so a reality you might have experienced, say, five years ago, will no longer be the reality of today due to the chronological changes that happen as a result of cause and effect. I understand that you experience the universe as a static and unchanging thing, and as a result these "inconsistencies" in reality can seem very confusing to you. As a solution to this problem, I suggest reading the news every now and again.
 
Cardinal said:
No, it's that today is defined by a different set of circumstances than existed two weeks ago. This is because "events" happen on a linear timescale, so a reality you might have experienced, say, five years ago, will no longer be the reality of today due to the chronological changes that happen as a result of cause and effect. I understand that you experience the universe as a static and unchanging thing, and as a result these "inconsistencies" in reality can seem very confusing to you. As a solution to this problem, I suggest reading the news every now and again.
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So, you're justfying the lie?
 
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