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Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault, fami

Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Common Sense 1 said:
At a news conference Sunday afternoon, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges called on the BCA to share the details of the shooting as quickly as possible.

“We have few facts at this point,” she said. “This is an awful situation. My heart goes out to everyone in the community, especially the family of the woman that was shot.”
It would be nice for the fact to come out before making judgements against the police officer's.
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Because the mayor said we have a few facts? Strangely enough, it's a situation which is entirely the fault of the cops who shot the woman who reported a potential crime. They turned off their body cams AND the cruiser cam.

It may seem bizarre for them to shoot her, but you know what would be even more bizarre? The idea that she would do anything to make the cops afraid for their lives.




No, I really don't think we have to sit here with lips zipped tightly shut. The only new facts are going to be things like ballistics and blood spatter, but since they didn't turn on any cams when they responded to the report of a potential assault, nothing is going to tell us more about what happened. We apparently have the word of three people who were watching. We only await the inevitable explanation from the cop who shot her that actually, she decided to reach for their guns or something.

I'd be more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if this **** didn't keep happening again and again and again and again. And when they choose to keep their cams off, I find it even harder to give them that benefit.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

apdst said:
Sometimes cops need to be able to get away with shooting people. If you create an environment where cops can be prosecuted even for an obviously justified shooting, then no one will want to be a cop. That won't be helpful to our society.
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Ahh that's good. The government just sometimes needs to be able to get away with shooting its citizens. Don't worry about it.

lol
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

PoS said:
This is why I believe that sovereign immunity needs to be abolished for all government employees. Cops and DAs have way too much power.
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yes; agreed 1,000% ..........
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Ikari said:
Ahh that's good. The government just sometimes needs to be able to get away with shooting its citizens. Don't worry about it.

lol
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If someone was endangering your family's life, would you want the cops to physically stop them, or stand back, informing them in a stern voice that they're breaking the law?
 
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As I read through this, I am thinking the lady walked up to the police car with her phone in her hand, at her side.
In describing the assault, she gestured with her hands, which raised the telephone into view of the car window.
The officer in the passenger seat, misinterpreted the movement, thought he saw a weapon being raised, and fired.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

apdst said:
If someone was endangering your family's life, would you want the cops to physically stop them, or stand back, informing them in a stern voice that they're breaking the law?
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Does that mean they get to act with impunity towards the law? No. Does your scenario have anything to do with the current case? No.

Try to stay away from emotionalized arguments, they tend to be pretty poor.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

longview said:
As I read through this, I am thinking the lady walked up to the police car with her phone in her hand, at her side.
In describing the assault, she gestured with her hands, which raised the telephone into view of the car window.
The officer in the passenger seat, misinterpreted the movement, thought he saw a weapon being raised, and fired.
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if that were the scenario then that would make the cop that shot her a complete paranoid ****ing moron .......

I can say one thing: if I would have been the officer in the driver's seat I likely would have knocked out the teeth of the shooter in the passenger seat
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

ttwtt78640 said:
That should have been reported immediately. You should not be able to (accidentally?) draw, aim and fire a gun within feet of a police officer and have no questions asked. There is at least one witness - the officer between the shooter and the victim. I can see absolutely no reason that the other officer in the car (not involved in the shooting) did not issue a public statement. Either that officer decided (on the spot?) that the shooting was accidental or justified or they should have made an arrest.
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They tend to protect each other, even if it means simply not saying anything and letting the other one come up with his story first.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

longview said:
As I read through this, I am thinking the lady walked up to the police car with her phone in her hand, at her side.
In describing the assault, she gestured with her hands, which raised the telephone into view of the car window.
The officer in the passenger seat, misinterpreted the movement, thought he saw a weapon being raised, and fired.
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If that's enough to get you killed by government agents in this country, then maybe I should start thinking about relocating to a less dangerous clime.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

longview said:
As I read through this, I am thinking the lady walked up to the police car with her phone in her hand, at her side.
In describing the assault, she gestured with her hands, which raised the telephone into view of the car window.
The officer in the passenger seat, misinterpreted the movement, thought he saw a weapon being raised, and fired.
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The witness didn't mention a phone.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Ikari said:
Does that mean they get to act with impunity towards the law? No. Does your scenario have anything to do with the current case? No.

Try to stay away from emotionalized arguments, they tend to be pretty poor.
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No, but sometimes they have to inflict harm to protect the public.

You don't have a clue what the facts are in the current case. It's a little early to be sentencing the guy.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

cuban smokes said:
if that were the scenario then that would make the cop that shot her a complete paranoid ****ing moron .......

I can say one thing: if I would have been the officer in the driver's seat I likely would have knocked out the teeth of the shooter in the passenger seat
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I cannot disagree.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Grand Mal said:
The witness didn't mention a phone.
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Just a guess on my part, she saw and heard something that warranted her calling 911.
She walks outside when the police come, but the phone is her safety net.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Some questions....

What happened with the assault that she reported? Where is the perpetrator? What happened to him/her? Did they catch him/her before this incident happened or after? Why did she come to the police car instead of them coming to her? If an assault was happening outside, why would she BE outside? Was she the one being assaulted? If she was, why would the officers kill her instead of the one assaulting her? Did she do anything to the police officers while in their car? Was she on any medication or drugs or alcohol that might have made her act out aggressively toward the officers? Was the officer goofing off with his weapon and accidentally shot her? Did the officer know her personally, dislike her and found this a perfect opportunity to get rid of her?

How are we to know what happened? We don't. Too many questions that we don't have the answers too. To assume that the officers are in the wrong OR in the right is stupid when you know nothing.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Grand Mal said:
The witness didn't mention a phone.
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Can you link me to the witnesses statements? I haven't seen those.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

longview said:
As I read through this, I am thinking the lady walked up to the police car with her phone in her hand, at her side.
In describing the assault, she gestured with her hands, which raised the telephone into view of the car window.
The officer in the passenger seat, misinterpreted the movement, thought he saw a weapon being raised, and fired.
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That is very possible.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Josie said:
Can you link me to the witnesses statements? I haven't seen those.
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Can't cut-and-paste with this device, but the report cited in the OP says that three people saw what happened and the woman being in pajamas and talking through the window was described by one of them.

edit- I just looked again and the wording is, "Three sources with knowledge of the shooting..." which sounds kind of vague. Two of those sources could be the cops.
 
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Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

apdst said:
No, but sometimes they have to inflict harm to protect the public.

You don't have a clue what the facts are in the current case. It's a little early to be sentencing the guy.
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They do, but that doesn't mean they just get to shoot people and we need to accept that. Everything is subject to review, and inappropriate actions must be punished the same as if committed by any citizen. No one gets to be above the law.

Ergo, your original statement that cops need to be able to get away with shooting people is erroneous. There must be cause to shoot, if there is none or its accidental or improper or purposeful, then the same punishment as everyone else. There can be no Judge Dredd in a Republic.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Grand Mal said:
Can't cut-and-paste with this device, but the report cited in the OP says that three people saw what happened and the woman being in pajamas and talking through the window was described by one of them.
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This?

The Star Tribune reported that three sources with knowledge of the shooting said the incident involved two officers who pulled into an alley while responding to the 911 call. Damond was at the driver’s side door and talking to the driver when the officer in the passenger seat shot Damond through the driver’s side door, sources told the paper.
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Possibly witnesses or just people repeating the story they heard from a witness. Still -- doesn't really give any real details as to why the officer shot.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Josie said:
Some questions....

What happened with the assault that she reported? Where is the perpetrator? What happened to him/her? Did they catch him/her before this incident happened or after? Why did she come to the police car instead of them coming to her? If an assault was happening outside, why would she BE outside? Was she the one being assaulted? If she was, why would the officers kill her instead of the one assaulting her? Did she do anything to the police officers while in their car? Was she on any medication or drugs or alcohol that might have made her act out aggressively toward the officers? Was the officer goofing off with his weapon and accidentally shot her? Did the officer know her personally, dislike her and found this a perfect opportunity to get rid of her?

How are we to know what happened? We don't. Too many questions that we don't have the answers too. To assume that the officers are in the wrong OR in the right is stupid when you know nothing.
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You started out saying we need to give the cops the benefit of the doubt, now you're practically accusing her by "just asking questions," as it were. That's a benefit of doubt well above and beyond the call of duty.

She called the cops. She had no weapon. They kept their cams off. They shot her dead as she was talking to them.

The question is emphatically NOT "gee, what scenario can we possibly make up that might make it all her fault?" The question is, "can you tell us, right now, immediately, why the **** you killed someone who was talking to you about a crime they had reported?"






If only a non-cop criminal defendant was given this benefit of the doubt....

If a cop says he found drugs on someone, nobody stops and asks whether we should give that someone the benefit of the doubt. Nobody asks rhetorically whether we know for a fact that the cop didn't plant it on them. Nobody wonders whether the cop illegally searched the someone.

No, people just say "well, he had drugs, so he's guilty. Believe the cop."

Why the hell should a cop who killed someone get this super-special benefit of the doubt that nobody else gets?
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Josie said:
This?



Possibly witnesses or just people repeating the story they heard from a witness. Still -- doesn't really give any real details as to why the officer shot.
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Yeah, I edited my post you quoted after I read it again. It's pretty vague.
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

Mr Person said:
You started out saying we need to give the cops the benefit of the doubt, now you're practically accusing her by "just asking questions," as it were. That's a benefit of doubt well above and beyond the call of duty.

She called the cops. She had no weapon. They kept their cams off. They shot her dead as she was talking to them.

The question is emphatically NOT "gee, what scenario can we possibly make up that might make it all her fault?" The question is, "can you tell us, right now, immediately, why the **** you killed someone who was talking to you about a crime they had reported?"

If only a non-cop criminal defendant was given this benefit of the doubt....
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I'm giving no one the benefit of the doubt. Again --- we know basically nothing about the facts in this case. Pretending that you do know exactly what happened is stupid, don't you think?
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

TheGoverness said:
The fact that they didn't have their body cameras turned on is very suspect.
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Well they hadn't exited their vehicle yet, maybe they don't turn them on until such time. Question is, why would the other officer pull out a weapon and shoot through the driver's door?
 
Re: Minneapolis woman shot and killed by police after calling 911 to report assault,

cuban smokes said:
The officers’ body cameras were not turned on during the shooting, and the squad-car camera did not capture it, according to the BCA.[/B]
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Not surprising that the body cams didn't get turned on. Obviously, there wasn't time to turn them on.

Since officers were sitting in the car facing forward, all you would have is audio anyway, and you should have that audio from the car's dashcam.

Accidental discharge: cop goes to jail.

Cop mistook cell phone for a gun: cop goes to jail.

If there are mitigating circumstances he may get suspended sentence.

His career is over.

Cops make mistakes that kill people, just like doctors. That's just the way it is.
 
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