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Trump defends Donald Trump Jr. in Sunday morning tweetstorm

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"HillaryClinton can illegally get the questions to the Debate & delete 33,000 emails but my son Don is being scorned by the Fake News Media?"
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With all of its phony unnamed sources & highly slanted & even fraudulent reporting, #Fake News is DISTORTING DEMOCRACY in our country!" Trump tweeted.
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Trump defends Donald Trump Jr. in tweet - CNNPolitics.com



For once he's right. The original fake news Fox and the WA Times both ran this story.

[h=1]Shepard Smith, Fox News host, blasts White House for offering ‘lie after lie’ about Russian ties[/h]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/15/shepard-smith-fox-news-host-blasts-white-house-off/
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The house of cards is crumbling...
 
ok, he does not have a lot of facts to work with

but at least he is coming out in defense of his son. tRump is so narcissistic, i wondered whether he was capable of caring about his son's plight. yes, junior's trouble is closely associated with tRump's campaign effort, but i am going to give the donald the benefit of the doubt in this instance

and to his credit, he did seize on data that illustrates the focus on his camp's wrongdoing when compared to hillary's; she did receive the debate questions in advance and she did fail to follow accepted protocol with her emails - and the media did give her a free pass on those transgressions
 
justabubba said:
ok, he does not have a lot of facts to work with

but at least he is coming out in defense of his son. tRump is so narcissistic, i wondered whether he was capable of caring about his son's plight. yes, junior's trouble is closely associated with tRump's campaign effort, but i am going to give the donald the benefit of the doubt in this instance

and to his credit, he did seize on data that illustrates the focus on his camp's wrongdoing when compared to hillary's; she did receive the debate questions in advance and she did fail to follow accepted protocol with her emails - and the media did give her a free pass on those transgressions
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Point of contention: the media did not let the matter of Hilliary's emails pass unnoticed, in fact they kept bringing up the matter every time people talked about her campaign.

Also, is recieving debate questions in advance a transgression of the same magnitude as receiving aid from a foreign countries government that was hacking into the databases for our elections?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Point of contention: the media did not let the matter of Hilliary's emails pass unnoticed, in fact they kept bringing up the matter every time people talked about her campaign.
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i do not recall reading even one story telling us how hillary's using a private server for her own emails instead of the state department server effectively prevented Freedom of Information Act inquiries from being responded to
she thwarted federal law which was put in place to enhance transparency


Also, is recieving debate questions in advance a transgression of the same magnitude as receiving aid from a foreign countries government that was hacking into the databases for our elections?
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no, they are not in the same ballpark
and neither is the disparity of the media coverage of each

i recall during the re-election presidential campaign of dubya, the media was speculating that the sitting president was receiving electronic transmissions, coaching him in his responses to the moderator's questions. as it turned out, there was no bogus system

where was such a media hue and cry when hillary was provided a certain advantage in the presidential debate

while tRump is certainly a dick, his pointing to disparate media coverage is a legitimate complaint
 
Not to quibble, but there is nothing illegal about receiving debate questions in advance.
 
Kobie said:
Not to quibble, but there is nothing illegal about receiving debate questions in advance.
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however, it does speak to the ethics of someone who would willingly use such an advantage
or in hillary's instance, confirmed for many of us that she is unethical
 
justabubba said:
however, it does speak to the ethics of someone who would willingly use such an advantage
or in hillary's instance, confirmed for many of us that she is unethical
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I agree it's sleazy. Which makes it funny that Trump would pretend he wouldn't pull the same stunt given opportunity.
 
justabubba said:
ok, he does not have a lot of facts to work with

but at least he is coming out in defense of his son. tRump is so narcissistic, i wondered whether he was capable of caring about his son's plight. yes, junior's trouble is closely associated with tRump's campaign effort, but i am going to give the donald the benefit of the doubt in this instance

and to his credit, he did seize on data that illustrates the focus on his camp's wrongdoing when compared to hillary's; she did receive the debate questions in advance and she did fail to follow accepted protocol with her emails - and the media did give her a free pass on those transgressions
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The nedia gave her a free pass? I must have missed that.
 
Top Cat said:
The nedia gave her a free pass? I must have missed that.
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you did - because it went unreported

the state department could not properly answer FOIA requests because it was without access to hillary's emails to be legally responsive to the freedom of information act requests - from the media and private individuals
 
nothing that is right, correct, above board, honest, etc. requires defending

well, then I guess we know Donnie Jr. is a liar just like Daddy is ......
 
justabubba said:
you did - because it went unreported

the state department could not properly answer FOIA requests because it was without access to hillary's emails to be legally responsive to the freedom of information act requests - from the media and private individuals
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Were these FIOA requests targeting specific emails from Hillary Clinton, or were the requests for all her emails? Because if it was the latter I don't think FOIA requests could target documents that were not officially governmental documents.
 
Kobie said:
Not to quibble, but there is nothing illegal about receiving debate questions in advance.
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Nope. It is unethical as hell. But republicans have made it clear that the bar for ethics doesn't exist anymore. The only thing that matters... "Is it illegal". That's where the ethics bar is anymore.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Were these FIOA requests targeting specific emails from Hillary Clinton, or were the requests for all her emails? Because if it was the latter I don't think FOIA requests could target documents that were not officially governmental documents.
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all of her emails, state department and personal ones, went thru her private server
thus, when responding to a FOIA request to the state department, the FOIA office was without hillary's emails to examine to determine if material within those emails was responsive to the FOIA inquiry
 
justabubba said:
all of her emails, state department and personal ones, went thru her private server
thus, when responding to a FOIA request to the state department, the FOIA office was without hillary's emails to examine to determine if material within those emails was responsive to the FOIA inquiry
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She handed the over her state department emails over, or is it not complete until a person's personal emails are also handed over.?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
She handed the over her state department emails over, or is it not complete until a person's personal emails are also handed over.?
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months after hillary left state, she then handed over emails which had been stored on her personal server. that was also after her staff deleted the many thousands of 'personal emails' previously resident on that personal server
the point being, since hillary's official state department business emails were not available to the state department FOIA office, hillary's emails could not be used to formulate responses to the FOIA inquiries
 
poweRob said:
Nope. It is unethical as hell. But republicans have made it clear that the bar for ethics doesn't exist anymore. The only thing that matters... "Is it illegal". That's where the ethics bar is anymore.
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I think they, (either party), will bend that 'is it legal' question to where it will go beyond the 'bar.'
 
justabubba said:
however, it does speak to the ethics of someone who would willingly use such an advantage
or in hillary's instance, confirmed for many of us that she is unethical
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LOL Not nearly as much as a campaign that would jump at the chance of secretly using a foreign enemies apparatus to advance their goals while promising a tit for tat reward for their illegal actions. The "ethics" of that boggle the mind.
 
Top Cat said:
Trump defends Donald Trump Jr. in tweet - CNNPolitics.com



For once he's right. The original fake news Fox and the WA Times both ran this story.



The house of cards is crumbling...
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It's good to see Trump finally appearing really to defend Jr. For awhile there this week, it appeared Sr. was kinda "phoning it in" with his milquetoast, "My son is a good boy" defense. I theorized that Trump and his team were going to throw Jr. under the bus in favor is Trump's actual favorite son, Kushner.
 
justabubba said:
months after hillary left state, she then handed over emails which had been stored on her personal server. that was also after her staff deleted the many thousands of 'personal emails' previously resident on that personal server
the point being, since hillary's official state department business emails were not available to the state department FOIA office, hillary's emails could not be used to formulate responses to the FOIA inquiries
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Are you implying that Hilliary Clinton deleted state department emails that were on her server while claiming they were personal?

Or are all her emails supposed to be disclosed, even her personal ones?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Not nearly as much as a campaign that would jump at the chance of secretly using a foreign enemies apparatus to advance their goals while promising a tit for tat reward for their illegal actions. The "ethics" of that boggle the mind.
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regarding magnitude, i agree
but i hope we can both agree that using debate questions known in advance of the presidential debate was an unethical action employed by team hillary
 
justabubba said:
months after hillary left state, she then handed over emails which had been stored on her personal server. that was also after her staff deleted the many thousands of 'personal emails' previously resident on that personal server
the point being, since hillary's official state department business emails were not available to the state department FOIA office, hillary's emails could not be used to formulate responses to the FOIA inquiries
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How is this different from other SOS's that had personal servers? Why is the bar set so low for them?
 
justabubba said:
regarding magnitude, i agree
but i hope we can both agree that using debate questions known in advance of the presidential debate was an unethical action employed by team hillary
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But then there is the question of why you are discussing Hillary at all. I thought she lost? Her "unethical" behavior was not good enough to beat Trumps unethical behavior and now he is President.
 
iguanaman said:
How is this different from other SOS's that had personal servers? Why is the bar set so low for them?
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it isn't
their official business emails were also unavailable to the FOIA office for review
... “So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers,” Powell wrote. “I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-am-fully-accountable/?utm_term=.d9b40005d5f5

it was a practice powell recommended to hillary
 
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