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Forecast of weak economic growth raises big questions about Trump’s populist agenda

Re: Forecast of weak economic growth raises big questions about Trump’s populist agen

Rogue Valley said:
Forecast of weak economic growth raises big questions about Trump’s populist agenda



The Trump plan for US economic growth relies almost exclusively on corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. A 'let's put all our growth eggs in one basket and hope for the best' approach. During his presidential campaign, Trump promised to create 25 million new jobs and generate an economy that hums along at a 4-6% annual growth rate. Neither Trump promise is going to happen.
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Our societal wealth redistribution scam is a half century on now, perhaps the trickle down pump just requires more priming.
 
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radcen said:
Already setting the foundation for your inevitable excuses, I see.

Plan ahead. :)
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Already planning your attacks, I see.

Anything to go after those you disagree with politically rather than making a counter argument...right?

Oh...wait...you have no counter argument. You can't, in good concience defend what the Left is doing. Well, that's something...I reckon. :lamo
 
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Vern said:
You're obviously unaware of the economic benefits of Obamacare.


You're obviously unaware that President Obama was handed the worst recession since the depression, the Great Bush Recession, with the financial, housing and auto sector in shreds. You no longer get to pretend not to know that republicans were undermining the recovery under President Obama. You admitted it. So he should beat President Obama's record but probably wont.
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Obamacare is not a medical program, it's a an income redistribution scheme.

And go get a hankie. GWB was handed a recession and 911.

You are responsible for what you inherit.
 
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apdst said:
Already planning your attacks, I see.

Anything to go after those you disagree with politically rather than making a counter argument...right?

Oh...wait...you have no counter argument. You can't, in good concience defend what the Left is doing. Well, that's something...I reckon. :lamo
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I have no interest in defending anything. I was merely calling you out on your well-known hypocrisy... and you can't even stay on topic. The best you can do is attempt to deflect and try and turn around on me. Telling.
 
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radcen said:
I have no interest in defending anything. I was merely calling you out on your well-known hypocrisy... and you can't even stay on topic. The best you can do is attempt to deflect and try and turn around on me. Telling.
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Like I said...:lamo
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Forecast of weak economic growth raises big questions about Trump’s populist agenda



The Trump plan for US economic growth relies almost exclusively on corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. A 'let's put all our growth eggs in one basket and hope for the best' approach. During his presidential campaign, Trump promised to create 25 million new jobs and generate an economy that hums along at a 4-6% annual growth rate. Neither Trump promise is going to happen.
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I don't think the forecast is as important as the stock market. The market seems to know what is happening ahead of time in most cases. If the stock market continues to climb then that means investors themselves aren't worried about the future.
 
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chuckiechan said:
Obamacare is not a medical program, it's a an income redistribution scheme.

And go get a hankie. GWB was handed a recession and 911.

You are responsible for what you inherit.
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wow, there is so much fail in your post. lets forget you're deflecting from the economic benefits of Obamacare because you put your conservative agenda above integrity and America. Lets focus on the ability of a conservative's brain to actually post " GWB was handed a recession" and "You are responsible for what you inherit" in the same post. Of course it was double spaced. Conservatives have a special ability to ignore reality but when they ignore what they post in the same post, that's beyond special. Is that why you guys always post your random and irrelevant thoughts double spaced?

Anyhoo, Bush is responsible for the 9-11. He ignored the clear and repeated warnings of 9-11 and did nothing. Its just a coincidence that it helped his secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq. My advice for your next double spaced attempts to deflect and whine is to just not post anything.
 
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Moderate Right said:
I don't think the forecast is as important as the stock market. The market seems to know what is happening ahead of time in most cases. If the stock market continues to climb then that means investors themselves aren't worried about the future.
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MR, welcome back from your 8 year coma. I realize things are hard for you right now, what with trying to catch up with friends and family. But one of the things you missed out on is the Great Obama Bull Market.
 
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chuckiechan said:
Obamacare is not a medical program, it's a an income redistribution scheme.

And go get a hankie. GWB was handed a recession and 911.

You are responsible for what you inherit.
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excuse me?

9/11 happened nearly 8 months post inauguration ...............
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Forecast of weak economic growth raises big questions about Trump’s populist agenda



The Trump plan for US economic growth relies almost exclusively on corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. A 'let's put all our growth eggs in one basket and hope for the best' approach. During his presidential campaign, Trump promised to create 25 million new jobs and generate an economy that hums along at a 4-6% annual growth rate. Neither Trump promise is going to happen.
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The CBO is a tool of the Congressional Elites...both Republican and Democrat. Please don't listen to what they say.

The OMB is correct.

“It’s not surprising that a bureaucracy which underestimated by more than 100 percent Obamacare participation would also underestimate the economic benefits of MAGAnomics,” Office of Management and Budget spokesman John Czwartacki said, using a new buzzword for the administration’s economic policy that stands for “Make America Great Again”-economics. “They are great people, but are just wrong on this.”
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Rogue Valley said:
Forecast of weak economic growth raises big questions about Trump’s populist agenda



The Trump plan for US economic growth relies almost exclusively on corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy. A 'let's put all our growth eggs in one basket and hope for the best' approach. During his presidential campaign, Trump promised to create 25 million new jobs and generate an economy that hums along at a 4-6% annual growth rate. Neither Trump promise is going to happen.
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You may want to understand that the CBO did not score the Trump agenda, but rather the budget. For example CBO excluded scoring any impact of tax reform as they said the plan was not specific enough. We have not seen the details of what they scored. For example how did they score changes in regulations,not sure if infrastructure was included,not sure if they still had ACA costs in there.

To call this a scoring of Trump's agenda is clearly inaccurate.
 
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Vern said:
MR, welcome back from your 8 year coma. I realize things are hard for you right now, what with trying to catch up with friends and family. But one of the things you missed out on is the Great Obama Bull Market.
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Hard for ME? It is your party who has lost, giving Republicans the most power of any party since 1928.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Hard for ME? It is your party who has lost, giving Republicans the most power of any party since 1928.
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great deflection but we were discussing how you only just now discovered the stock market. the only explanation is that you must have been in a coma. Well the only explanation other than "obedient partisan hack" is you were in a coma. Just in case it was a coma, let me tell you about the Great Obama Bull Market. MR, it's been a magical 8 years. And it's been the most incredible bull market in history according to conservatives because you and yours predicted the opposite. I'm not sure if you were in your coma yet but before the Great Obama Bull Market you and yours were running around foaming at the mouth that the stimulus would case "hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero". Thanks to President Obama's pro growth and prudent deficit reduction, I can not only retire early but more luxuriously. Here's a thread about one of the many "all time highs" we got thanks to President Obama.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...sident-obama-w-1017-2344-a.html?highlight=dow

Now that you're out of your coma, you can read it.
 
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Vern said:
great deflection but we were discussing how you only just now discovered the stock market. the only explanation is that you must have been in a coma. Well the only explanation other than "obedient partisan hack" is you were in a coma. Just in case it was a coma, let me tell you about the Great Obama Bull Market. MR, it's been a magical 8 years. And it's been the most incredible bull market in history according to conservatives because you and yours predicted the opposite. I'm not sure if you were in your coma yet but before the Great Obama Bull Market you and yours were running around foaming at the mouth that the stimulus would case "hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero". Thanks to President Obama's pro growth and prudent deficit reduction, I can not only retire early but more luxuriously. Here's a thread about one of the many "all time highs" we got thanks to President Obama.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...sident-obama-w-1017-2344-a.html?highlight=dow

Now that you're out of your coma, you can read it.
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I don't deny any of that but you seem to forget the market has been up since Trump has been president, all the while that the left has been claiming the sky is falling and the country has been destroyed. Sound familiar?
 
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chuckiechan said:
The democrats and the media are fighting him tooth and nail to prevent him from going what it takes to get generalized stimulus across all industries. Trump can only work mainly on the cost side by dumping Obama business strangling E.O's.

We need tax cuts and tax reform to strengthen our export power.

What do democrats have against a better economy? Is that another of Obamas legacy they seek to protect?
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So, out of curiosity, how will the US stay competitive in a global economy, to the point that they will increase exports, when Trump pursues isolationist trade practices (in the form of new tariffs on raw materials like imported steel and lumber, for starters, without even discussing the monkeying around he'd like to do with established trade agreements) that will put manufacturing costs higher than any of the emerging markets (India, China, etc) are able to provide? Material and labor costs are far more substantial than tax costs. Just wondering how you think he's going to deliver you a better economy through driving exports, based on his current policy direction.
 
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apdst said:
Obama got everything he wanted.
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Say what? Filibustered measures, withheld "failed" stimulus, no highways bill no raise in the minimum wage.

Mac77 said:
Trump's plan assumed that the RINO congress led by mcconnell and paul ryan would be able to pass legeslation which it so far has been unable or unwilling to do
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Good thing for the opposition, because the only thing a tax cut would do is suck everything out of the economy.

This is why we have taxes, so nobody can grow too big and money automatically gets redistributed in the economy and I'm not talking welfare, I mean military pay and assets, government pay, programs and infrastructure.

You may not like everything being spent, but can we find some way to improve it than just a brute throttling?
 
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Moderate Right said:
I don't deny any of that but you seem to forget the market has been up since Trump has been president, all the while that the left has been claiming the sky is falling and the country has been destroyed. Sound familiar?
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Please explain what in my post makes you think I "forgot" that the market is up since Trump was president. there are even posts in the thread I linked that discuss Trump.

and what you describing doesn't sound familiar at all when you are talking about the "left". I think you're confusing random people on the "left" with official conservative narratives. You were told by the conservative media and republicans that the stimulus would case "hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero" and we had to balance the budget and/or cut the deficit immediately or face certain doom. yea, I don't see that concern for the deficit anymore. do you? And you literally still have people on the right still telling you the economy was a disaster right up to the election. Trump told you it was a disaster. Hey, why not go into the thread I linked and reply to the posters there who flailed about the market means nothing.

anyhoo, when all is said and done, Trump will probably not even beat President Obama's economy and he wasn't handed the worst recession since the depression. and he doesn't have an opposition party trying to sabotage the economy either.
 
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Exquisitor said:
Say what? Filibustered measures, withheld "failed" stimulus, no highways bill no raise in the minimum wage.



Good thing for the opposition, because the only thing a tax cut would do is suck everything out of the economy.

This is why we have taxes, so nobody can grow too big and money automatically gets redistributed in the economy and I'm not talking welfare, I mean military pay and assets, government pay, programs and infrastructure.

You may not like everything being spent, but can we find some way to improve it than just a brute throttling?
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Actually it is taxes that suck money out of the private economy by taking from those who earned it and giving it to deadbeats on public assistance

Including the ones buy solar panels for the homes at getting thousands in kickbacks from government
 
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OlNate said:
So, out of curiosity, how will the US stay competitive in a global economy, to the point that they will increase exports, when Trump pursues isolationist trade practices (in the form of new tariffs on raw materials like imported steel and lumber, for starters, without even discussing the monkeying around he'd like to do with established trade agreements) that will put manufacturing costs higher than any of the emerging markets (India, China, etc) are able to provide? Material and labor costs are far more substantial than tax costs. Just wondering how you think he's going to deliver you a better economy through driving exports, based on his current policy direction.
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He's not, and the notion that any one of our ruling corporate class cares anything about any of that is fantasy.

Other advanced post industrial nations are investing in their societies while we prey upon our own to expand the military reach of the empire. They've invested in healthcare approaches that lead to a healthy population for much less societal cost and they've invested in educational approaches that lead to informed and edcucated populations while we turn our young into debt peons.

America is still behaving like a 18th century colonial empire and it will prove to be unsustainable.
 
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Mac77 said:
Actually it is taxes that suck money out of the private economy by taking from those who earned it and giving it to deadbeats on public assistance

Including the ones buy solar panels for the homes at getting thousands in kickbacks from government
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Your endless militarism and wars for profit is where your money goes pard, that and corporate welfare. But it's far easier to blame the poor and disenfranchised. Who knew that had all that power?
 
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Fenton Lum said:
Your endless militarism and wars for profit is where your money goes pard, that and corporate welfare. But it's far easier to blame the poor and disenfranchised. Who knew that had all that power?
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You phrase that insult as if you are a foreigner

America wages war on principle not for profit

And funneling more money from those who work to deadbeats on welfare only creates more government dependence
 
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apdst said:
If the anti-Trumpers would stop undermining the government we would see better results.
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Whatever happened to: government IS the problem? You guys sent someone to DC to go blow the place up. Well, this is what it looks like when you go blow the place up. This is a democracy, and people get what they want and deserve- good and hard.
 
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Mac77 said:
You phrase that insult as if you are a foreigner

America wages war on principle not for profit

And funneling more money from those who work to deadbeats on welfare only creates more government dependence
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Bull****. We partner with al Nusra, al Qaida, ISIS, and the Wahabist Saudis, and we have been intentionally destabilizing the middle east for decades and decades, often supplying arms to both sides of a given conflict. And yes, the world knows. Even some of US do.

Deadbeats on Wall Street, big pharma, pro sports teams, and corporate america should indeed stop recieving all those subsidies. you're right, the deadbeats have become dependant on govt.
 
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ataraxia said:
Whatever happened to: government IS the problem? You guys sent someone to DC to go blow the place up. Well, this is what it looks like when you go blow the place up. This is a democracy, and people get what they want and deserve- good and hard.
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There's too much government. President Trump is trying to fix that.
 
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