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Democrats Sue Trump Campaign Over Leaked Emails Tied to Russia

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WASHINGTON — Two Democratic Party donors and a former party staff member have filed an invasion of privacy lawsuit against President Trump’s campaign and a longtime informal adviser, Roger J. Stone Jr., accusing them of conspiring in the release of hacked Democratic emails and files that exposed their personal information to the public.
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It's not just damaging information to Hillary Clinton that was used by Trump's campaign, but personal information that resulted in people attempting to steal their identities, and in one case, outing a man who was gay and in the closet. That not only crosses the line, but erases it entirely.

However, having said that, will the plaintiffs succeed? Republicans took information that was dumped by Wikileaks and ran with it. But, if I understand this correctly, the information the Republicans used was public domain when Wikileaks released it. Yea, it's pretty sleazy, but I don't see the plaintiffs winning this case. The Trump campaign did not divulge this information. They only used it. Can Wikileaks be sued in an international court? If so, what are the plaintiff's chances there? And, if they can win there, can they collect? And, on the domestic front, is Trump liable for passing along information that was already dumped to the public by Wikileaks? These are important questions.

Discussion? Let's don't assume a connection between the Trump campaign and Russia here. Let's just go with what we already know regarding Wikileaks and the lawsuit. I respectfully ask that the Mods monitor this thread, and attempt to keep it on this narrow topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/...-and-adviser-are-sued-over-leaked-emails.html
 
This is just more temper tantrums by the Democratic Party. This case has no legs.
 
ajn678 said:
This is just more temper tantrums by the Democratic Party. This case has no legs.
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Why do you believe the case has no legs? I want a real answer from you.. Surely, you can come up with an intelligent answer, based on the topic, instead of a kneejerk rant, which is all you posted. So let's hear it.
 
danarhea said:
Why do you believe the case has no legs? I want a real answer from you.. Surely, you can come up with an intelligent answer, based on the topic, instead of a kneejerk rant, which is all you posted. So let's hear it.
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Because like you said, Republicans used information that was already provided to the public. Unless they can prove the Republican party aided whoever leaked the information. But, I don't think they can, or it would be national news.
 
ajn678 said:
Because like you said, Republicans used information that was already provided to the public. Unless they can prove the Republican party aided whoever leaked the information. But, I don't think they can, or it would be national news.
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OK, that's an answer. Thank you.
 
danarhea said:
It's not just damaging information to Hillary Clinton that was used by Trump's campaign, but personal information that resulted in people attempting to steal their identities, and in one case, outing a man who was gay and in the closet. That not only crosses the line, but erases it entirely.

However, having said that, will the plaintiffs succeed? Republicans took information that was dumped by Wikileaks and ran with it. But, if I understand this correctly, the information the Republicans used was public domain when Wikileaks released it. Yea, it's pretty sleazy, but I don't see the plaintiffs winning this case. The Trump campaign did not divulge this information. They only used it. Can Wikileaks be sued in an international court? If so, what are the plaintiff's chances there? And, if they can win there, can they collect? And, on the domestic front, is Trump liable for passing along information that was already dumped to the public by Wikileaks? These are important questions.

Discussion? Let's don't assume a connection between the Trump campaign and Russia here. Let's just go with what we already know regarding Wikileaks and the lawsuit. I respectfully ask that the Mods monitor this thread, and attempt to keep it on this narrow topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/...-and-adviser-are-sued-over-leaked-emails.html
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What this is, is nothing more than an attempt to use the system to bully in order to obtain documents that they think will lead to proof of collusion.

Whether this goes anywhere or not depends entirely on if they try to game the system like they did with the EO that temporarily halted people from coming to the US from 6 countries.
 
danarhea said:
It's not just damaging information to Hillary Clinton that was used by Trump's campaign, but personal information that resulted in people attempting to steal their identities, and in one case, outing a man who was gay and in the closet. That not only crosses the line, but erases it entirely.

However, having said that, will the plaintiffs succeed? Republicans took information that was dumped by Wikileaks and ran with it. But, if I understand this correctly, the information the Republicans used was public domain when Wikileaks released it. Yea, it's pretty sleazy, but I don't see the plaintiffs winning this case. The Trump campaign did not divulge this information. They only used it. Can Wikileaks be sued in an international court? If so, what are the plaintiff's chances there? And, if they can win there, can they collect? And, on the domestic front, is Trump liable for passing along information that was already dumped to the public by Wikileaks? These are important questions.

Discussion? Let's don't assume a connection between the Trump campaign and Russia here. Let's just go with what we already know regarding Wikileaks and the lawsuit. I respectfully ask that the Mods monitor this thread, and attempt to keep it on this narrow topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/...-and-adviser-are-sued-over-leaked-emails.html
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They have boat loads of circumstancial evidence such as Trump making statements that Russia should hack for the lost Hillary emails and softening of Russia as an advisory, which was the RNC norm at the time.

There isn't enough evidence that the Trump campaign was complicit with obtaining and posting the private data. I didn't even read any recommendations by the campaign directing people to go to Wikileaks to read.

It is going no where.

On another note. There is no reason why Assange can't have his team automate social security and other private data masking before posting data. The DNC also are bone heads for not having policies that disallow people to put social security numbers in email. Idots.

If I ran the DNC or even RNC for that matter, I would have a email program created that easily allows staffers to easily redact private information, but makes all email public 30 days after sent.

That is the kind of openness we need from these losers.

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danarhea said:
It's not just damaging information to Hillary Clinton that was used by Trump's campaign, but personal information that resulted in people attempting to steal their identities, and in one case, outing a man who was gay and in the closet. That not only crosses the line, but erases it entirely.

However, having said that, will the plaintiffs succeed? Republicans took information that was dumped by Wikileaks and ran with it. But, if I understand this correctly, the information the Republicans used was public domain when Wikileaks released it. Yea, it's pretty sleazy, but I don't see the plaintiffs winning this case. The Trump campaign did not divulge this information. They only used it. Can Wikileaks be sued in an international court? If so, what are the plaintiff's chances there? And, if they can win there, can they collect? And, on the domestic front, is Trump liable for passing along information that was already dumped to the public by Wikileaks? These are important questions.

Discussion? Let's don't assume a connection between the Trump campaign and Russia here. Let's just go with what we already know regarding Wikileaks and the lawsuit. I respectfully ask that the Mods monitor this thread, and attempt to keep it on this narrow topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/...-and-adviser-are-sued-over-leaked-emails.html
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I noticed it was in specific with one person, who there was a chain of evidence pointing to because of the release of Trump Jr's email chain. That is a much narrower scope that the headline implied. The chain of evidence is there, but IMO too weak to be successful.
 
danarhea said:
Why do you believe the case has no legs? I want a real answer from you.. Surely, you can come up with an intelligent answer, based on the topic, instead of a kneejerk rant, which is all you posted. So let's hear it.
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They don't have enough evidence to prove a crime. Without that, this case will have no evidence.

This proves that they know there's no real evidence, so they're trying game the system to achieve a desired effect.
 
danarhea said:
It's not just damaging information to Hillary Clinton that was used by Trump's campaign, but personal information that resulted in people attempting to steal their identities, and in one case, outing a man who was gay and in the closet. That not only crosses the line, but erases it entirely.

However, having said that, will the plaintiffs succeed? Republicans took information that was dumped by Wikileaks and ran with it. But, if I understand this correctly, the information the Republicans used was public domain when Wikileaks released it. Yea, it's pretty sleazy, but I don't see the plaintiffs winning this case. The Trump campaign did not divulge this information. They only used it. Can Wikileaks be sued in an international court? If so, what are the plaintiff's chances there? And, if they can win there, can they collect? And, on the domestic front, is Trump liable for passing along information that was already dumped to the public by Wikileaks? These are important questions.

Discussion? Let's don't assume a connection between the Trump campaign and Russia here. Let's just go with what we already know regarding Wikileaks and the lawsuit. I respectfully ask that the Mods monitor this thread, and attempt to keep it on this narrow topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/...-and-adviser-are-sued-over-leaked-emails.html
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In the court of public opinion, it's fair for people to conclude that the Trump campaign probably colluded with Russia, seeing as intent was established with the Jr./Veselnitskaya meeting. Unfortunately, until the next shoes drops* this lawsuit is premature.










*and it will.
 
apdst said:
They don't have enough evidence to prove a crime.
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It's a tort not a crime.

They'll only need a preponderance of evidence rather than proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Cardinal said:
In the court of public opinion, it's fair for people to conclude that the Trump campaign probably colluded with Russia, seeing as intent was established with the Jr./Veselnitskaya meeting. Unfortunately, until the next shoes drops* this lawsuit is premature.
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Devil's advocate: OJ Simpson was declared not guilty, yet the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman successfully sued OJ for $25 million, so I guess it's also possible for a standard to be used wherein full collusion hasn't first been officially established.

It seems iffy to me, but we'll see.

Edit: Yeah, what Simon Moon said.
 
Cardinal said:
In the court of public opinion, it's fair for people to conclude that the Trump campaign probably colluded with Russia, seeing as intent was established with the Jr./Veselnitskaya meeting. Unfortunately, until the next shoes drops* this lawsuit is premature.










*and it will.
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This is not about Russia. It's about invasion of privacy, which is what the lawsuit is for.
 
danarhea said:
This is not about Russia. It's about invasion of privacy, which is what the lawsuit is for.
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I understand that, but until it's established that the Trump campaign was an active participant in making those emails public, I don't see how you have a very strong case.

Is there a precedent for someone being liable in a civil court for disseminating private information that was made public?
 
Cardinal said:
I understand that, but until it's established that the Trump campaign was an active participant in making those emails public, I don't see how you have a very strong case.

Is there a precedent for someone being liable in a civil court for disseminating private information that was made public?
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I believe that some of the information made public was people's social security numbers and the fact that one person was gay.
 
Cardinal said:
I understand that, but until it's established that the Trump campaign was an active participant in making those emails public, I don't see how you have a very strong case.

Is there a precedent for someone being liable in a civil court for disseminating private information that was made public?
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Actually, that was my point, if you read my OP more carefully.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I believe that some of the information made public was people's social security numbers and the fact that one person was gay.
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That is it, exactly. The lawsuit is for invasion of privacy, which resulted in a closeted gay being outed, and crooks attempting to open accounts in the names of the others, due to the sensitive information about them that was dumped. But who bears responsibility? If the information was already in the public domain, can the plaintiffs prevail against the Trump campaign?
 
danarhea said:
That is it, exactly. The lawsuit is for invasion of privacy, which resulted in a closeted gay being outed, and crooks attempting to open accounts in the names of the others, due to the sensitive information about them that was dumped. But who bears responsibility? If the information was already in the public domain, can the plaintiffs prevail against the Trump campaign?
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Wikileaks released the information of people without their permission. Roger stone was a major ally of the trump campaign and was reportedly in contact with Julian Assange. If Roger stone and Julian assange coordinated to release the private information of hacked DNC staff, then roger stone and Julian assange are the people who should be held accountable.
 
danarhea said:
It's not just damaging information to Hillary Clinton that was used by Trump's campaign, but personal information that resulted in people attempting to steal their identities, and in one case, outing a man who was gay and in the closet. That not only crosses the line, but erases it entirely.

However, having said that, will the plaintiffs succeed? Republicans took information that was dumped by Wikileaks and ran with it. But, if I understand this correctly, the information the Republicans used was public domain when Wikileaks released it. Yea, it's pretty sleazy, but I don't see the plaintiffs winning this case. The Trump campaign did not divulge this information. They only used it. Can Wikileaks be sued in an international court? If so, what are the plaintiff's chances there? And, if they can win there, can they collect? And, on the domestic front, is Trump liable for passing along information that was already dumped to the public by Wikileaks? These are important questions.

Discussion? Let's don't assume a connection between the Trump campaign and Russia here. Let's just go with what we already know regarding Wikileaks and the lawsuit. I respectfully ask that the Mods monitor this thread, and attempt to keep it on this narrow topic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/...-and-adviser-are-sued-over-leaked-emails.html
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I don't believe Trump can be held liable for passing on information that was already made public. Actually, media outlets disseminated this information on a MUCH broader scale than the Trump campaign so if that is the angle that is being pursued here I have to wonder out loud why the suit is being brought against the Trump campaign and not the media outlets who reported on it?
 
danarhea said:
Why do you believe the case has no legs? I want a real answer from you.. Surely, you can come up with an intelligent answer, based on the topic, instead of a kneejerk rant, which is all you posted. So let's hear it.
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Because of the wide reach of the lying liberal news media every smear against trump has legs.

But will any of it lead to the end of trump?

I don't expect so
 
danarhea said:
Why do you believe the case has no legs? I want a real answer from you.. Surely, you can come up with an intelligent answer, based on the topic, instead of a kneejerk rant, which is all you posted. So let's hear it.
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prove that trump leaked the emails. from what I understand it was wikileaks that leaked all the emails.
it was pretty simple to figure that one out.
 
danarhea said:
Why do you believe the case has no legs? I want a real answer from you.. Surely, you can come up with an intelligent answer, based on the topic, instead of a kneejerk rant, which is all you posted. So let's hear it.
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They are suing the Trump campaign for something somebody else did.

They are looking for deep pockets.

Please tell us why the campaign would be responsible for the "conspiring in the release of".

Did the campaign have control over Wikileaks?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I believe that some of the information made public was people's social security numbers and the fact that one person was gay.
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Who made that information public?
 
Mason66 said:
Who made that information public?
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Wikileaks, which was in contact with Roger Stone, an informal advisor on the trump campaign and one of the people named in the lawsuit.

Roger stone may have been the bridge connecting Wikileaks with the trump campaign.
 
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