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Elon Musk shows off Tesla's first Model 3 [W:300]

RabidAlpaca said:
Instead of being limited to only gas, you can get energy from any source imaginable. Solar, wind, gas, coal, nuclear, geothermal, etc. etc. etc. If it can generate electricity it can run your electric car. If you have solar panels on your roof and a battery pack in your garage you can drive your car every day on free sunshine and never have to buy gas.
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I wonder if a car can use an alternator to generate some of it's own electricity while in motion to extend range? Seems like it should.
 
poweRob said:

All the naysayers are getting humiliated in here. :lol:
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I read an interesting article on battery production, unless they can streamline the current manufacturing process, the production is pretty nasty and toxic. The article was comparing the carbon footprint of the Prius VS a conventional car. Evidently they were not quite as enviro friendly as it would seem.

But I am sure it will become more efficiant as time passes.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I wonder if a car can use an alternator to generate some of it's own electricity while in motion to extend range? Seems like it should.
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I think the drag would be prohibitive. Like getting more electricity out of a battery than you put in it. It's regenerative braking is pretty good. From what I understand you have to get used to driving it because just lifting your foot off the pedal is akin to braking in another car since once your foot is up it's generating electricity as it slows.
 
poweRob said:
The Chevy Bolt is close to the same price and boasting of a range of 238.
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The problem with the Bolt is that it is at near luxury prices with a entry level compact look and interior. They should have made it a Buick, given it a better interior and sell for $2000 more
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I wonder if a car can use an alternator to generate some of it's own electricity while in motion to extend range? Seems like it should.
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They can from regenerative braking, not from just driving. Hybrids use regen braking all the time, I expect so do all electric do as well.


If just going at a steady rate, no it can not. It will cost to much electricity to make the electricity from the motion (perpetual motion does not exist)
 
poweRob said:
The Chevy Bolt is close to the same price and boasting of a range of 238.
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And so all the millions of petroleum products workers, from Alaska to the Gulf and from Canada to Mexico and from Venezuela to Moscow are going to be out of work. Will they be able to buy Elon's albatrosses on welfare? When he burns through a bunch of elitists and Hollyweirdos, who will be left? All the tattooed losers living in Mom's basement?

Oh, and all that power? Whose high tension lines will it be running over? Whose transformers? Whose substations? And what happens when Elon's wind farms turn into a bunch of Three Mile Islands? Or Chernobyls? Free electricity? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Liberals believe EVERYTHING is free. What a f.....g hoot.
 
If the taxpayers were not being forced to subsidize musk then I would applaud his new cars.

But single moms on welfare are far cheaper than this guy and his customers
 
poweRob said:
I think the drag would be prohibitive. Like getting more electricity out of a battery than you put in it. It's regenerative braking is pretty good. From what I understand you have to get used to driving it because just lifting your foot off the pedal is akin to braking in another car since once your foot is up it's generating electricity as it slows.
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Yeah, good point. It would be like perpetual energy. The cool thing about electric motors is the instant availability of 100% torque.

No need to spool up the RPM's. Bet a powerfull electric car could do wicked burn outs.

I remember the old alternator generated bicycle light systems. The output was lame at best and caused a good deal of friction and drag. Not to mention when stopped your lights went out!
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I read an interesting article on battery production, unless they can streamline the current manufacturing process, the production is pretty nasty and toxic. The article was comparing the carbon footprint of the Prius VS a conventional car. Evidently they were not quite as enviro friendly as it would seem.

But I am sure it will become more efficiant as time passes.
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Tesla has got it goin' on...

Tesla will power its Gigafactory with a 70-megawatt solar farm

The 70-megawatt solar array installation planned for the roof is the biggest news, and Tesla claims it will be seven times larger than the world’s next biggest rooftop solar installation. The plan is for the Gigafactory to not directly consume any fossil fuels, and for the solar installation to provide most of the power needed by the facility. Any excess power generated during the day will be stored by Tesla Powerpack power storage batteries for use at other times. It’s likely that the solar panels will be produced by SolarCity, which Tesla acquired late last year.

Tesla says having an all-electric facility will allow for greater efficiency and zero carbon emissions, and much of the building’s heating will be provided by waste heat from the battery manufacturing process. A closed-loop water system will recirculate 400,000 gallons of water, reducing fresh water usage by 80 percent compared with standard processes, the company says. An onsite battery reprocessing facility will also allow much of Tesla’s battery cells to be recycled into new cells on site.

When Phase 2 of the Gigafactory is completed, Tesla expects the facility to produce 35 GWh of battery cells and 50 GWh of battery packs each year (many battery cells are combined in a single battery pack). The yearly production of battery cells would amount to more than the worldwide production of all lithium-ion battery cells in 2013, and would be enough to provide power storage for 500,000 Model 3 cars.​
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They can from regenerative braking, not from just driving. Hybrids use regen braking all the time, I expect so do all electric do as well.


If just going at a steady rate, no it can not. It will cost to much electricity to make the electricity from the motion (perpetual motion does not exist)
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Yep, very true. I think one day we may unlock perpetual motion, or not. A lot of things we take for granted were once considered impossible, like flight for one.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The problem with the Bolt is that it is at near luxury prices with a entry level compact look and interior. They should have made it a Buick, given it a better interior and sell for $2000 more
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They are saying around $38,000. So it's close to the Tesla Model 3 price.
 
Quazimodo said:
And so all the millions of petroleum products workers, from Alaska to the Gulf and from Canada to Mexico and from Venezuela to Moscow are going to be out of work. Will they be able to buy Elon's albatrosses on welfare? When he burns through a bunch of elitists and Hollyweirdos, who will be left? All the tattooed losers living in Mom's basement?

Oh, and all that power? Whose high tension lines will it be running over? Whose transformers? Whose substations? And what happens when Elon's wind farms turn into a bunch of Three Mile Islands? Or Chernobyls? Free electricity? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Liberals believe EVERYTHING is free. What a f.....g hoot.
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All of what you said is easily disproveable T-total BS that you are trolling with. I actually believed you wanted a conversation. My bad.
 
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Slingshot Bob said:
Yeah, good point. It would be like perpetual energy. The cool thing about electric motors is the instant availability of 100% torque.

No need to spool up the RPM's. Bet a powerfull electric car could do wicked burn outs.

I remember the old alternator generated bicycle light systems. The output was lame at best and caused a good deal of friction and drag. Not to mention when stopped your lights went out!
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Yup... Watch this guy:



There's not much out there that's faster than this:

 
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nice lines.
 


 
poweRob said:
Tesla has got it goin' on...

Tesla will power its Gigafactory with a 70-megawatt solar farm

The 70-megawatt solar array installation planned for the roof is the biggest news, and Tesla claims it will be seven times larger than the world’s next biggest rooftop solar installation. The plan is for the Gigafactory to not directly consume any fossil fuels, and for the solar installation to provide most of the power needed by the facility. Any excess power generated during the day will be stored by Tesla Powerpack power storage batteries for use at other times. It’s likely that the solar panels will be produced by SolarCity, which Tesla acquired late last year.

Tesla says having an all-electric facility will allow for greater efficiency and zero carbon emissions, and much of the building’s heating will be provided by waste heat from the battery manufacturing process. A closed-loop water system will recirculate 400,000 gallons of water, reducing fresh water usage by 80 percent compared with standard processes, the company says. An onsite battery reprocessing facility will also allow much of Tesla’s battery cells to be recycled into new cells on site.

When Phase 2 of the Gigafactory is completed, Tesla expects the facility to produce 35 GWh of battery cells and 50 GWh of battery packs each year (many battery cells are combined in a single battery pack). The yearly production of battery cells would amount to more than the worldwide production of all lithium-ion battery cells in 2013, and would be enough to provide power storage for 500,000 Model 3 cars.​
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We live in interesting times, they are indeed the wave of the future, solar is infinite and fossil fuels WILL eventually run out. Just look at the progress in the last decade. The efficiency has increased as the cost decreases. That is a good trend and I expect it will continue.

Now, if we could just get those H20 engines up and running.

Fun water fact, according to a sign at the local park on the hydrological cycle, the amount of water on earth today, is the same as it was millions of years ago.
 
poweRob said:
Finally Musk meets a deadline with Tesla. This car is going to change the industry. Ford has already said that they expect to sell more electric cars than gas cars by 2025 and Volvo is declaring gas cars are all but dead.

Elon Musk shows off Tesla's first Model 3

Elon Musk is now the proud owner of his company's first mass market electric car.

Musk showed off the first Tesla Model 3 vehicle on Twitter and Instagram over the weekend, sharing pictures of the shiny new four-door sedan parked in front of Tesla's production plant in Fremont, California.

The first 30 customers will get to drive off in their very own Model 3 in late July. After that, Tesla plans to produce 100 cars in August, 1,500 in September and 20,000 in December, according to Musk.

Musk has warned there will be a long wait for pre-order deliveries. Customers who put a deposit down now will not receive the car before the end of 2018, he said at the company's annual shareholder conference in June.

Tesla opened up pre-orders for the Model 3 more than a year ago. Within a matter of days, more than 300,000 customers put down $1,000 deposits to reserve their place in line.

The new vehicle costs $35,000, nearly half the price of Tesla's next-cheapest car, the Model S. The lower price point could help broaden the brand's appeal.​
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Meeting a deadline at approximately 30% lower production sure makes things easier.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
We live in interesting times, they are indeed the wave of the future, solar is infinite and fossil fuels WILL eventually run out. Just look at the progress in the last decade. The efficiency has increased as the cost decreases. That is a good trend and I expect it will continue.

Now, if we could just get those H20 engines up and running.

Fun water fact, according to a sign at the local park on the hydrological cycle, the amount of water on earth today, is the same as it was millions of years ago.
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Well it can't go anywhere unelss we push it into space so it makes sense. If it dissipates from the ground it humidifies the air. It's all reused dino piss.
 
poweRob said:
All of what you said is easily disproveable T-total BS that you are trolling with. I actually believed you wanted a conversation. My bad.
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I'm not trolling. Every one of my questions is genuine and I want to know the answers. I hate the smell of exhaust fumes and I hate what they are doing to our planet. I just don't want another P.T. Barnum messing us around.

Can his technology fly a Jumbo Jet from here to Paris? Yes or no?

Solar and wind are GREAT! Will they fly our F16s? Will solar and wind protect us in a rolling battlefield? Is there going to be a network of Elon's service stations in South America? Can the massive areas of poverty in Africa support both the infrastructure for and the sales of one of Elon's overly priced cars?

These are honest questions. There are thousands and thousands of questions that are as yet unanswered. Perhaps the answers don't exist.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I bet that Datsun pushes your ass back in the seat something like this :)View attachment 67219880 Bet he has made serious $ on guys that think their N20 car cant be beat!
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He embarrasses so many people. And I love that he chose an unassuming datsun to do it in.

But its not necessary if you got the $'s... this guy is resurrecting cool cars as electric and muscling them up.

 
Quazimodo said:
I'm not trolling. Every one of my questions is genuine and I want to know the answers. I hate the smell of exhaust fumes and I hate what they are doing to our planet. I just don't want another P.T. Barnum messing us around.

Can his technology fly a Jumbo Jet from here to Paris? Yes or no?

Solar and wind are GREAT! Will they fly our F16s? Will solar and wind protect us in a rolling battlefield? Is there going to be a network of Elon's service stations in South America? Can the massive areas of poverty in Africa support both the infrastructure for and the sales of one of Elon's overly priced cars?

These are honest questions. There are thousands and thousands of questions that are as yet unanswered. Perhaps the answers don't exist.
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One question at a time and I might consider it. I'm not going to research your spam list just for you to go... "Meh... but what about..." and spam me again.
 
poweRob said:
One question at a time and I might consider it. I'm not going to research your spam list just for you to go... "Meh... but what about..." and spam me again.
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the fact is oil isn't going anywhere anytime soon. too many products and other things are made out of it and require it to be used.
 
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