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Elon Musk shows off Tesla's first Model 3 [W:300]

RabidAlpaca said:
There are over 6,000 charging stations across the US, and the number is growing exponentially as they are sinking massive capital into expanding.

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It takes 20 minutes to charge and they're everywhere, you can drive anywhere you want.
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It's getting better, but we're not where I can use it... yet.

We even have a bank of charging stations in the parking lot of my itty-bitty town's town hall.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
im waiting to see when Musks investors actually come to demand their money since the company isn't profitable and electric cars aren't even 1% of sales
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Interesting you should ask:

Tesla Can Be Profitable In 2018

  • Elon Musk previously guided that Tesla will be profitable by 2020, but since then has accelerated production plans, which accelerates the profitability timeline.
  • Tesla's revenue and gross profit will experience extreme growth over the next few quarters due to the Model 3, PowerWall and PowerPack ramp up. And the solar roof.
  • Tesla's operating expenses, meanwhile, will increase steadily at a rate of about 8%, resulting in a massive increase in operating leverage translating directly into operating profits in 2018.


Looks like Tesla investors are going to be delivered more than as promised. Sorry to throw the water all over your negativity.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Instead of being limited to only gas, you can get energy from any source imaginable. Solar, wind, gas, coal, nuclear, geothermal, etc. etc. etc. If it can generate electricity it can run your electric car. If you have solar panels on your roof and a battery pack in your garage you can drive your car every day on free sunshine and never have to buy gas.
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Make no mistake, I'm buying the concept. Is there a good description of how the various forms of leverage required to make the new family car run can be distributed to mainstream consumers?

Also, what will the effect of the collapse of the value of petroleum based products be on an already fragile economy? If petro-jobs dry up, what will happen to middle America? Can Musk power armored divisions in the Middle East. Can Musk give us coast-to-coast flights with his technology? Can we expect brisk sales of the Musk products in China? Or India? Or in other densely populated global markets? Can his technology power cities like New York or San Francisco or London or Shanghai? Can we expect a total conversion, or is this just another Stanley Steamer?

I'm not trying to be argumentative. The emerging euphoria sounds encouraging. Forgive my negativism.
 
poweRob said:
Actually you can. The Tesla comes with the adapter for you to plug it into a 110 outlet. Although that charging is rather slow. There is also a way to do it with a 220 outlet.
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That has changed, then. Thanks. This is why I love this site - I learn something new here all the time.
 
Beaudreaux said:
It's getting better, but we're not where I can use it... yet.

We even have a bank of charging stations in the parking lot of my itty-bitty town's town hall.
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So there's one in your small home town, and there's thousands all over the US conveniently placed along all the highways. Is the only reason you can't use it because you don't have a Tesla? You started this thread with "as long as you stay close to home and don't go anywhere!". Silly.

Quazimodo said:
Make no mistake, I'm buying the concept. Is there a good description of how the various forms of leverage required to make the new family car run can be distributed to mainstream consumers?

Also, what will the effect of the collapse of the value of petroleum based products be on an already fragile economy? If petro-jobs dry up, what will happen to middle America? Can Musk power armored divisions in the Middle East. Can Musk give us coast-to-coast flights with his technology? Can we expect brisk sales of the Musk products in China? Or India? Or in other densely populated global markets? Can his technology power cities like New York or San Francisco or London or Shanghai? Can we expect a total conversion, or is this just another Stanley Steamer?

I'm not trying to be argumentative. The emerging euphoria sounds encouraging. Forgive my negativism.
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I'm sorry, bud, but that might be the most negative post I've ever read. ;)
 
poweRob said:
Telsa tried to implement an auto battery swap stations and put them into place but unfortunately no one took to it. Too bad because changing out the batter took less time than a gas fillup.

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I want to say the car the Tesla is based on had a trailer that tracked the cars suspension and carried a generator to provide power for longer trips.

Have to look that up.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So there's one in your small home town, and there's thousands all over the US conveniently placed along all the highways. Is the only reason you can't use it because you don't have a Tesla? You started this thread with "as long as you stay close to home and don't go anywhere!". Silly.
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I have a friend that has one and does similar work that I do. Currently, he pulls his Tesla on a trailer behind his pick-up until he gets to the work area, and there are days or weeks he has to use the pick-up due to no electricity.

As a reminder, I do disaster recovery, and that includes going to where the electric grid is down.
 
poweRob said:
Interesting you should ask:

Tesla Can Be Profitable In 2018

  • Elon Musk previously guided that Tesla will be profitable by 2020, but since then has accelerated production plans, which accelerates the profitability timeline.
  • Tesla's revenue and gross profit will experience extreme growth over the next few quarters due to the Model 3, PowerWall and PowerPack ramp up. And the solar roof.
  • Tesla's operating expenses, meanwhile, will increase steadily at a rate of about 8%, resulting in a massive increase in operating leverage translating directly into operating profits in 2018.


Looks like Tesla investors are going to be delivered more than as promised. Sorry to throw the water all over your negativity.
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Tesla is not making profit next year, their current products are selling at a loss and the company is heavily debted.
 
Quazimodo said:
Make no mistake, I'm buying the concept. Is there a good description of how the various forms of leverage required to make the new family car run can be distributed to mainstream consumers?

Also, what will the effect of the collapse of the value of petroleum based products be on an already fragile economy? If petro-jobs dry up, what will happen to middle America? Can Musk power armored divisions in the Middle East. Can Musk give us coast-to-coast flights with his technology? Can we expect brisk sales of the Musk products in China? Or India? Or in other densely populated global markets? Can his technology power cities like New York or San Francisco or London or Shanghai? Can we expect a total conversion, or is this just another Stanley Steamer?

I'm not trying to be argumentative. The emerging euphoria sounds encouraging. Forgive my negativism.
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It will be supplemental and not a full replacement of and that portion will grow. As far as the military, they are actually looking into biodiesel from algae as a way to be sustainablely independent from other nations.

'Great Green Fleet' using biofuels deployed by U.S. Navy

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack kicked off the deployment in a ceremony at Naval Air Station North Island near San Diego, saying the use of biofuels would improve the Navy's operational flexibility while boosting the U.S. rural economy.​

As an aside... The name "Great Green Fleet" is a takeoff of the old "Great White Fleet" back in 1909.
 
Quazimodo said:
Where does the electricity come from to power-up the charging stations?
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Ultimately?

The sun.

An interesting side effect of a fleet of electric cars and a smart grid it becomes possible to store electricity in all the regularly unused battery capacity.

Average commuter is only 7 miles or so. Here in socal, I'd say 20 even 30.

So say 250 miles worth of unused capacity just sitting there in a parking lot hooked up to a charging station.

Easy to develop a system that allows consumers to participate in "sharing" in exchange for a reduced rate or carpool pass etc.

So in the daytime when most people are at work and demand is high that 250 (or whatever) miles of electricity can be used in peak hours and replaced at night when electricity is normally wasted.

Recent developments that promise the possibility of battery packs with up to 100,000 cycles makes this even more feasible.

Grid storgae is the holy Grail of energy generation/distribution.

Feel free to.look this gift horse in the mouth.

Its pretty cool and developing quickly.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Tesla is not making profit next year, their current products are selling at a loss and the company is heavily debted.
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I guess you know more than everyone else I suppose. :roll:
 
poweRob said:
I guess you know more than everyone else I suppose. :roll:
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CNBC certainly doesn't predict Tesla to have profitability next year so Im in company. You posted one pie in the sky article by s source no one takes seriously. It's clear Tesla has a business model based on politics, subsidies, and the hope someone will keep lending them money

Their base model car is 35,000? No one at the price point is buying a vehicle like that.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
CNBC certainly doesn't predict Tesla to have profitability next year so Im in company. You posted one pie in the sky article by s source no one takes seriously. It's clear Tesla has a business model based on politics, subsidies, and the hope someone will keep lending them money
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Do you think they will be profitable by 2020? If so, then they are giving their investors exactly what they told them.

EMNofSeattle said:
Their base model car is 35,000? No one at the price point is buying a vehicle like that.
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:lol:

You have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever... there are over 400,000 pre-orders for the Model 3.


Keep bringing your fabricated BS. I'm enjoying this.
 
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Quazimodo said:
Does anybody know what is involved in generating the power to charge the batteries?
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Or make the batteries, or making the things that charge the batteries...
 
Beaudreaux said:
True, as long as you stay close to home and don't go anywhere else at the end of the day other than where you have your electric car panel and connections.

I travel all over the country for work. There are lots of folks in the rural areas of this country that don't drive short routes like the city folk do.

This technology is potentially wonderful for city dwelling hermits. For the rest of us, the technology hasn't gotten to where it would work for us... yet, but I'm still hoping.
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this is where tesla does shine. they can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge.
they have charging stations all over the US now as well.

most hotels have hook ups for electric cars.

the problem with tesla is the price.

the model S 90k
the model X 110k
the model 3 is not at 35-50k

also it doesn't suit my family so it is out as a car.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
CNBC certainly doesn't predict Tesla to have profitability next year so Im in company. You posted one pie in the sky article by s source no one takes seriously. It's clear Tesla has a business model based on politics, subsidies, and the hope someone will keep lending them money

Their base model car is 35,000? No one at the price point is buying a vehicle like that.
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the 35k is for nothing and the small batter which will get you maybe 215. really I would say 200 or 175 depending on how you drive.
I would say that the bigger batter etc will run you 50k. that is if you can get the bigger battery
 
Ol Musky is really gonna change the world.
 
ludin said:
the 35k is for nothing and the small batter which will get you maybe 215. really I would say 200 or 175 depending on how you drive.
I would say that the bigger batter etc will run you 50k. that is if you can get the bigger battery
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The Chevy Bolt is close to the same price and boasting of a range of 238.
 
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