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Bacon doesn't get you high.
So? Why is it up to you what people put in their bodies?
Bacon doesn't get you high.
So? Why is it up to you what people put in their bodies?
It's not. But if you're a danger to society, then you shouldn't be a part of society.
You still haven't explained how drug abusers are any more dangerous than anyone else who leads an unhealthy lifestyle.
There's a very strong, well established link between drug use and crime.
http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/crime-and-substance-abuse/
Yes, but people won't/can't stop on their own. It could literally kill them.
I've always believed drugs should be decriminalized, legalized, taxed and the revenue put into a lockbox budget for free rehab facilities.
How many overdosed from marijuana?
Safe houses prevent overdoses, that is why they exist.
Being a recovered alcoholic/addict I have seen first hand what is happening. At first I was opposed, as I led the total abstinence model.
But to oppose this is to show ignorance of the disease of addiction, think heroin is the most dangerous drug [it isn't, it's easier to kick than methadone] and also assume the addict wants that life. They don't. What "Insight" and it's now three satellites do is keep the patient alive and reasonably stable for that one moment in time when the addicts head clears sufficiently to ask for detox and rehab. And they do. The problem now is getting enough seats in rehab and preventing kids from starting.
Where it doesn't work is when fentenyl and the other heavy **** hit the street, people die without making it to Insight. There were 904 OD deaths in Vancouver last year. Not one of them was an Insight patient.
I have what we call "sponsored" a couple of guys who rehabbed through Insight, and each of them swears that they would be one the other side of the grass today had not Insight been there.
I wish California well, and would hope that right wing Americans for once become open-minded and not fight the solutions that are working
That's what you see. They are dirty and homeless and look diseased because they are at the end of their addiction journye. They were likely neighbors like yours when they started that journey.
The cycle looks like this. Mr. A down the street has an accident and requires pain killers. They give him some morphine based product like oxycontin, and when that effect started fade, they stepped up to over the counter but illegally sold drugs, than on to the street ****. I have met or been in the same room with addicts for the last 27 years, and not one of them ever chose to get hooked.
Lastly, addiction is a disease, your comments not withstanding they are not garbage as you imply. Maybe that's why the United States leads the industrialized world in drug use.
How quaint, you make a statement and you think that overrides actual statistics.
They don't prevent ODs. They merely have a better response time to the OD if the patient happens to be in the place.
You still haven't explained how drug abusers are any more dangerous than anyone else who leads an unhealthy lifestyle.
Well, people don't normally get high on pork chops or hot dogs, but a guy high on PCP a few months ago was trying to decapitate another man until he was shot to death by a police officer. Does that qualify?
Well, people don't normally get high on pork chops or hot dogs, but a guy high on PCP a few months ago was trying to decapitate another man until he was shot to death by a police officer. Does that qualify?
How quaint, you make a statement and you think that overrides actual statistics.
Ah, you're all for the reintroduction of alcohol Prohibition?
You asked him to explain how drug abusers were any more dangerous than anyone else who leads an unhealthy lifestyle.
Pretty sure murder is illegal whether you're high on pcp or not. Has anyone NOT high on pcp ever committed attempted murder?
No, I didn't ask that. You have me confused with another poster.
He was asked to explain how drug abusers were any more dangerous than anyone else who leads an unhealthy lifestyle. A reasonable person would conclude that someone trying to cut your head off is pretty dangerous, but the rule still applies to an alcohol abuser. I wouldn't want to get on an airplane flown by a drunk pilot any more than one high on crank, blow, or horse. I wouldn't worry as much about a fat pilot, even though he could drop dead of a heart attack at 36,000 feet.
Again, I'm pretty sure even if drugs were legal it would still be illegal to Pilot a jet airliner while high on drugs. What does any of that have to do with the Draconian practice of putting drug addicts in prison?
I would put them in treatment first. If that didn't work, then I'd lock them up, where at least they couldn't rob people or commit burglaries to get money to support their habits. It would also put a dent in street demand for illicit drugs. Giving them a "safe space" to get high is lunacy, but about what I expect from what passes for progressives these days. Even Karl Marx couldn't have dreamt that one up.
I've read about how well this has worked in Vancouver. I sure hope it does well in California. It drives down HIV, and Hepatitis cases. Saves more money from not imprisoning them than the program costs. And they aren't shooting up just anywhere. So the needles given to them are clean and the needles they use are disposed of properly. I hope it passes.
Bill Proposes Safe Houses For Illegal Drug Users
Safe houses where heroin and other illegal drug users can access sterile supplies and be under the supervision of a doctor are a step closer to reality in California.
Assembly Bill 186 by Assemblywoman Susan Eggman, D-Stockton, would establish facilities in eight California counties where people could use controlled substances under the supervision of staff trained to prevent overdoses and refer people to drug treatments and housing.
“We are in the midst of an epidemic, and this bill will grant us another tool to fight it – to provide better access to services like treatment and counseling, to better protect public health and safety, and to save lives,” Eggman said in a statement.
The idea is modeled after a site in Canada, where people can use drugs like heroin with sterile supplies and a doctor standing by. The Vancouver facility claims it has prevented 6,400 overdoses in 13 years and placed more than 4,500 people into treatment.
Except it doesn't work, the lower mainland of BC sees up to 1000 opioid OD deaths a year, their OD deaths are increasing and far in excess of comparable US figures. Very few, as few as one in 13 users seek the treatment services and if you've ever been to the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver (I have) it's like a freakin favela. It doesn't help users at all
Not to mention new varieties of nalaxone resistant opioids are now being sold so medical supervision won't even help you soon