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Canada to pay $10.5m to youngest Guantanamo inmate, convicted of killing US soldier

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It doesn't matter. He was a Canadian citizen, born and bred.

Canadian citizens aren't allowed to defend themselves? That must suck.
 
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Canadian citizens aren't allowed to defend themselves? That must suck.

In a war zone, against your countries enemies? We are really not that lost, are we?
 
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In a war zone, against your countries enemies? We are really not that lost, are we?

He was being shot at.


You ever been shot at, or shot?
 
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He was being shot at.


You ever been shot at, or shot?

Nope. Again, so what?
 
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Nope. Again, so what?

If a cop was shooting at you, would you defend yourself?
 
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If a cop was shooting at you, would you defend yourself?

I do not belive it was police shooring at him. Kid was in a warzone, and recall, a foreign national.
 
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****ing asshole should still be in Gitmo. And be rotting there until he croaks.

Well done Obama.

This is yet another example of why linguini spined Leftists should never be near the levers of power.

Good grief. Maybe we should pay restitution to the Bin Laden family, as well. Not sure what it will take for the left to understand that we are IN A WAR....
 
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Not a big fan of torturing anyone but paying a terrorist 10 million in restitution is asinine.
 
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Good grief. Maybe we should pay restitution to the Bin Laden family, as well. Not sure what it will take for the left to understand that we are IN A WAR....

Grokmaster:

Perhaps a legal declaration of war from the Congress rather than a vague and open-ended AUMF would be a good place to start? Legally the US has not been at war despite spending $ 4.79 - 6.00 Trillion US devastating Afghanistan, Iraq and now contributing to the further ruin of Syria.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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****ing asshole should still be in Gitmo. And be rotting there until he croaks.

Well done Obama.

This is yet another example of why linguini spined Leftists should never be near the levers of power.

Unfortunate that Canadian officials broke our laws. Next he was a child soldier- that accorind to the Un Declaration- of which the uS signed.

Next - no evidence he threw the greenade that killed the US Soldier- check it out.

Next bounties were out, authorized and paid for by the US on suspected terrorists
Yet, your country imprisoned many who were not terrorists, but they were named for the bounty.
Even when evidence was presented the Bush admin could not and would not recognize mistakes.
Next- The Afghan Northern Alliance had taken thousands and placed them in sea containers- these containers were dropped in the desert for those to die- The CIA was aware and complicit in these murders.
Perhaps you should be more concerned how Rumsfeld let OBL escape due to his total ****ing incompetence. That has cost 10s of thousands on lives and left the US in a quagmire.
 
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Not a big fan of torturing anyone but paying a terrorist 10 million in restitution is asinine.

MorrisDay:

Many Canadians, including myself, agree that the payment is asinine and unjust, but to refuse to pay the settlement could have led to much greater civil liability and a payment perhaps as big as 50 millions CAD. It was the lesser of two evils and our hands are bound by the rule of law.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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MorrisDay:

Many Canadians, including myself, agree that the payment is asinine and unjust, but to refuse to pay the settlement could have led to much greater civil liability and a payment perhaps as big as 50 millions CAD. It was the lesser of two evils and our hands are bound by the rule of law.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

And that's the real tragic part of the story.....
 
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The man was tortured... that is illegal. It should be the US that should be paying him. No one should be tortured and any conviction or evidence gotten by such methods is tainted to say the least.

This mentality is why terrorists commit attacks in Europe wherever they feel like it; because some people are more concerned about preserving the wellbeing of terrorists than about preserving the wellbeing of Europeans.

I couldn't care less if Abu Ahmed was 'tortured' after killing an American.
 
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This mentality is why terrorists commit attacks in Europe wherever they feel like it; because some people are more concerned about preserving the wellbeing of terrorists than about preserving the wellbeing of Europeans.

I couldn't care less if Abu Ahmed was 'tortured' after killing an American.

So the 8th amendment should just be repealed then?
 
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So the 8th amendment should just be repealed then?

The terrorist in question is a Canadian citizen, and sued the Canadian government.
 
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The terrorist in question is a Canadian citizen, and sued the Canadian government.

I know that but people here do not seem to understand that we also have a constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment and most people do not support that so why would they support the 8th amendment?
 
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I know that but people here do not seem to understand that we also have a constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment and most people do not support that so why would they support the 8th amendment?

The Obama administration believes that at least 12 detainees released from the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have launched attacks against US or allied forces in Afghanistan, killing about a half-dozen Americans, according to current and former US officials.

Obama administration admits released Gitmo detainees have killed Americans • AEI | Foreign and Defense Policy Blog » AEIdeas

My viewpoint is that they should be charged with war crimes, convicted, and executed, as the Nazis were at Nuremberg.
 
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MorrisDay:

Many Canadians, including myself, agree that the payment is asinine and unjust, but to refuse to pay the settlement could have led to much greater civil liability and a payment perhaps as big as 50 millions CAD. It was the lesser of two evils and our hands are bound by the rule of law.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
??? Can you break out how that would have worked?

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??? Can you break out how that would have worked?

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cpwill:

Omar Khadr, a fifteen-year-old boy was brought to Afganistan by his father and with his older brother was armed by Afghan militants/al Qaeda.

In a skirmish Omar Khadr was wounded and captured by US SOF operators. In the course of that skirmish Khadr allegedly threw a grenade which wounded two or three US SOF operators one of whom later died of his wounds.

Having taken the minor Omar Khadr into custody, the US rendered him out of Afghanistan and to Guantanamo Bay in order to detain and interrogate him there in contravention of US and international law.

During his time in Gitmo, Khadr was put under severe distress and both physically and mentally coerced in order to break his will and get him to confess to killing and wounding two American soldiers. After many years in US military custody and under duress he finally broke down and agreed to a forced confession in return for a chance to be returned to Canada.

The Government of Canada was aware that Khadr was a Canadian citizen, a minor, that he was being illegally detained after being unlawfully rendered, was being put under distress and duress and was being denied basic legal rights and proper legal representation. The Canadian Government did not move to protect Khadr and in fact colluded with US authorities to keep Khadr unlawfully imprisoned at Gitmo and out of Canada for ten years. It thus abjured its duty to protect Khadr as a Canadian citizen and a minor.

When Khadr was finally forced to confess to murder in a desperate hope of being returned to Canada to serve out his sentence there, the Canadian Government blocked and stone-walled his return, despite Canadian court orders to allow the transfer.

When Khadr had been repatriated, his lawyers claimed that he had been forced to confess and was thus wrongfully convicted by a US military tribunal. They applied for bail until a Canadian trial could be held to determine the legality of the US military tribunal conviction, given that at the time of the alleged crime Khadr was a minor and should have been treated like a child soldier. The court agreed and ordered his release. The Government of Canada unlawfully refused to comply with the court order and subsequent orders from higher courts to release Khadr.

For the reasons listed above Omar Khadr sued the Government of Canada. The amount asked for was in the neighbourhood of 20 millions of dollars CAD but could have reached as high as 50 million with punitive damages. A settlement was mediated where by Canada would pay 10.5 millions to Khadr for compensation and legal expenses.

That's the breakdown as I understand it, in a nutshell.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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cpwill:

Omar Khadr, a fifteen-year-old boy was brought to Afganistan by his father and with his older brother was armed by Afghan militants/al Qaeda.

In a skirmish Omar Khadr was wounded and captured by US SOF operators. In the course of that skirmish Khadr allegedly threw a grenade which wounded two or three US SOF operators one of whom later died of his wounds.

Having taken the minor Omar Khadr into custody the US rendered him out of Afghanistan and to Guantanamo Bay in order to detain and interrogate him there in contravention of US and international law.

During his time in Gitmo Khadr was put under severe distress and both physically and mentally coerced in order to break his will and get him to confess to killing and wounding two American soldiers. After many years in custody and under duress he finally broke down and agreed to a forced confession.

The Government of Canada was aware that Khadr was a Canadian citizen, a minor, was being illegally detained after being unlawfully rendered, was being put under distress and duress and was being denied basic legal rights and proper legal representation. The Canadian Government did not move to protect Khadr and in fact colluded with US authorities to keep Khadr unlawfully imprisoned at Gitmo and out of Canada for ten years. It thus abjured its duty to protect Khadr as a Canadian and a minor.

When Khadr was finally forced to confess to murder in a desperate hope of being returned to Canada to seve out his sentence there the Canadian Government blocked and stone-walled his return despite Canadian court orders to allow the transfer.

When Khadr had been repatriated, his lawyers claimed that he had been forced to confess and was thus wrongfully convicted by a US military tribunal. They applied for bail until a Canadian trial could be held to determine the legality of the US military tribunal conviction, given that at the time of the alleged crime Khadr was a minor and should have been treated like a child soldier. The court agreed and ordered his release. The Government of Canada unlawfully refused to comply with the court order and subsequent orders from higher courts to release Khadr.

For the reasons listed above Omar Khadr sued the Government of Canada. The amount asked for was in the neighbourhood of 20 millions of dollars CAD but could have reached as high as 50 million with punitive damages. A settlement was mediated where by Canada would pay 10.5 millions to Khadr for compensation and legal expenses.

That's the breakdown as I understand it in a nutshell.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

We're going to disagree on the particulars of granting uniform protections to those who weaponize civilian populaces and positions by not fighting in uniform, but on the multi-millionaire jihadi;

So, he sued for 20... But could have (but did not) sued for 50, so you have to give him 10 else he could get 50, despite only suing for 20?

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So, he sued for 20... But could have (but did not) sued for 50, so you have to give him 10 else he could get 50, despite only suing for 20?

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cpwill:

Yup. Punitive damages are awarded over and above the value of the plaintiff's claim. I believe that it's the same in the US but I could be wrong.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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