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North Korea fire missile towards Japanese waters

No reason for the U.S. to get directly involved yet. Japan has a self-defense force. Let's see if they're willing to use it. Or if they'll just stay on the sidelines playing playstation while Americans are killed defending their island.
 
Kim seems to be provoking a war. It would sure be interesting if Xi announced that he would stand down if there was a response.

Getting Kim out of the way, however, would only create a whole different crisis. The people of the DPRK have been generations under the Kims and even if they were liberated it would likely be a few generations before they became self sufficient.
 
North Korea is being used as a pawn by the Chinese government. As long as North Korea continues to threaten Japan, South Korea, and the United States, The US can't impose there Trump agenda of American first and tariffs on Chinese goods entering US soil.
 
Trump tweets " doesn't he have anything better to do with his life" and then essentially questions Japan and South Koreas resolve.

Foreign policy being played out on twitter....wow
 
President Trump is a paper-tiger and the North Koreans, Chinese, Russians and Philippines know it. The USN sailed too close to Chinese claimed islands in the South China Sea recently and this is China's answer by proxy. This is what comes when you outsource your foreign policy regarding North Korea to China and then insult them repeatedly by arms sales to Taiwan, sailing in the South China Sea as if it was your own and insulting President Xi when he does not solve your problem with North Korea fast enough. Trump had better learn diplomacy fast because he lacks the cojones for military brinksmanship, unlike Kim Jong-Un. I'm sure Secretaries Tillerson and Mattis are shaking their heads in disbelief right now.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Higgins86 said:
Trump tweets " doesn't he have anything better to do with his life" and then essentially questions Japan and South Koreas resolve.

Foreign policy being played out on twitter....wow
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This is one of my biggest fears. This idiot is just releasing whatever pops into his head. He is not carefully gaming the situation, he is just rolling the dice releasing information or personal beliefs that our enemies may be able to pivot. The only saving grace is that he may be such a known dumbass that his words are of no significance.
 
Lutherf said:
Kim seems to be provoking a war. It would sure be interesting if Xi announced that he would stand down if there was a response.

Getting Kim out of the way, however, would only create a whole different crisis. The people of the DPRK have been generations under the Kims and even if they were liberated it would likely be a few generations before they became self sufficient.
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The problem would be with leadership. Many of the people have been somewhat self sufficient for a while. They have markets where a lot of the population tries to buy and sell necessary items. It would be harder for the privileged people that live in Pyongyang to transition. I have no idea how the government would look if the current one is destroyed. Kim dying won't do all that much by itself.
 
The missile launched travelled 930 Km and 2300-2500 Km up into space leading initial estimations that this is an ICBM with a range of between 5500 Km and 6000 Km. Quite the Fourth of July firework to bait President Trump with. We live in interesting times!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Higgins86 said:
Trump tweets " doesn't he have anything better to do with his life" and then essentially questions Japan and South Koreas resolve.

Foreign policy being played out on twitter....wow
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A very poor move on President Trump's part. He should have said little or nothing, while making appropriate movements of U.S. military forces.
 
From what I've learned, repeated testing is essential if North Korea hopes to develop effective long-range ballistic missiles. That fact gives the U.S. good reason to want to hinder that testing in every way possible. One direct way would be to intercept one of these test missiles (for starters) with anti-missile missiles aboard several of the ten U.S. destroyers which either are near Korea now or soon will be.

The U.S. now has, near Korea, enough naval and air forces to blockade North Korea. It also has about half the forces it would probably take to destroy most of North Korea's most dangerous weapons in a surprise attack. B-2 bombers, which could attack North Korea by surprise flying directly from their base in Missouri, make up most of the rest of the force needed.

The threat posed by this powerful force--which could in a hour or so some dark night destroy North Korea's ballistic missiles sites and wreck its air defense network, leaving every significant military asset in the country no more than a wide-open target to be bombed at wlll--makes any serious retaliation for the shooting down of a test missile so risky that Kim probably would not dare it. He no more wants an all-out fight with the U.S. military than Pee Wee Herman wanted to get into the ring against Mike Tyson in his prime, because he knows just as well as Pee Wee how he'd end up. It's one thing to sit in the seats and yap like a frenzied Yorkie--which is all the degenerate who runs North Korea has had to do, so far--and something else again, when you have to lace on the gloves and climb through the ropes against someone you know is just waiting to take your head off.
 
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MrPeanut said:
The problem would be with leadership. Many of the people have been somewhat self sufficient for a while. They have markets where a lot of the population tries to buy and sell necessary items. It would be harder for the privileged people that live in Pyongyang to transition. I have no idea how the government would look if the current one is destroyed. Kim dying won't do all that much by itself.
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After the fall of the USSR and the reunification of Germany, it took over a generation for the peoples to meld well. West Germans were very displeased by the over all affair. Why? The East Germans didn't really understand how little Government is involved in a "free" society and it really caused a lot of cultural problems. NK's are literally brainwashed from birth, the integration will take quite a while to happen.
 
Higgins86 said:
Trump tweets " doesn't he have anything better to do with his life" and then essentially questions Japan and South Koreas resolve.

Foreign policy being played out on twitter....wow
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while I do not agree with using Twitter, I actually agree with what he's saying this time.

"Hard to believe that South Korea and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!"

Why is it the US that has lead? Japan and South Korea should be stepping up.
 
holbritter said:
while I do not agree with using Twitter, I actually agree with what he's saying this time.

"Hard to believe that South Korea and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!"

Why is it the US that has lead? Japan and South Korea should be stepping up.
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Google US military presence in South Korea and Japan
 
Evilroddy said:
President Trump is a paper-tiger and the North Koreans, Chinese, Russians and Philippines know it. The USN sailed too close to Chinese claimed islands in the South China Sea recently and this is China's answer by proxy. This is what comes when you outsource your foreign policy regarding North Korea to China and then insult them repeatedly by arms sales to Taiwan, sailing in the South China Sea as if it was your own and insulting President Xi when he does not solve your problem with North Korea fast enough. Trump had better learn diplomacy fast because he lacks the cojones for military brinksmanship, unlike Kim Jong-Un. I'm sure Secretaries Tillerson and Mattis are shaking their heads in disbelief right now.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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If he used military intervention people like you would accuse him of trying to start WW3. So go ahead and have it both way as I'm sure it makes you feel better.
 
holbritter said:
while I do not agree with using Twitter, I actually agree with what he's saying this time.

"Hard to believe that South Korea and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!"

Why is it the US that has lead? Japan and South Korea should be stepping up.
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Hey, if Japan doesn't care NK missiles land around their country then that's on them.

China is not going to do anything to try to stop NK's self-destruction. To start, it would be ineffective and then they would look weak.

But I found it amusing when Trump stated some time ago, "at least they tried."
 
matchlight said:
A very poor move on President Trump's part. He should have said little or nothing, while making appropriate movements of U.S. military forces.
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Don't think he's capable of saying little to nothing.
 
Higgins86 said:
North Korea fires missile towards Japanese waters, officials say - BBC News


This of course coming just days after President Trump stated that enough was enough. They are becoming quite the problem.
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Back in January, Trump said of NK launching an ICBM, "it won't happen!" Then they launch one on July 4........

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/04/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage




He really needs to stop running his useless mouth so much. If he'd been paying attention to the man whose origins he sought so hard to slander, he'd have realize that drawing red lines is a stupid thing to do unless one actually means to enforce violations.

But, he really does seem to believe that tweeting a thing is equal to taking an action. (After all, he thinks that tweeting mean nothings at the media means he is fighting the media, rather insulting his office. Hah!)
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1067375841 said:
If he used military intervention people like you would accuse him of trying to start WW3. So go ahead and have it both way as I'm sure it makes you feel better.
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Μολὼν λαβέ:

I think you overlooked the point I was trying to make. I was not advocating a military response. I was pointing out that US foreign policy with respect to both North Korea and the People's Republic of China is inconsistent and self-contradictory, often working at cross-purposes to itself. This is not helped by President Trump conducting "stream of consciousness" diplomacy via social media. Trump needs to develop the self-control to shut-up with the tweeting and the whole US leadership have to come up with a consistent and coherent North Korea policy and China policy which do not shunt the responsibility to control North Korea on other states like China.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
matchlight said:
From what I've learned, repeated testing is essential if North Korea hopes to develop effective long-range ballistic missiles. That fact gives the U.S. good reason to want to hinder that testing in every way possible. One direct way would be to intercept one of these test missiles (for starters) with anti-missile missiles aboard several of the ten U.S. destroyers which either are near Korea now or soon will be.

The U.S. now has, near Korea, enough naval and air forces to blockade North Korea. It also has about half the forces it would probably take to destroy most of North Korea's most dangerous weapons in a surprise attack. B-2 bombers, which could attack North Korea by surprise flying directly from their base in Missouri, make up most of the rest of the force needed.

The threat posed by this powerful force--which could in a hour or so some dark night destroy North Korea's ballistic missiles sites and wreck its air defense network, leaving every significant military asset in the country no more than a wide-open target to be bombed at wlll--makes any serious retaliation for the shooting down of a test missile so risky that Kim probably would not dare it. He no more wants an all-out fight with the U.S. military than Pee Wee Herman wanted to get into the ring against Mike Tyson in his prime, because he knows just as well as Pee Wee how he'd end up. It's one thing to sit in the seats and yap like a frenzied Yorkie--which is all the degenerate who runs North Korea has had to do, so far--and something else again, when you have to lace on the gloves and climb through the ropes against someone you know is just waiting to take your head off.
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I am pretty sure we have B2's in Guam. Much closer.


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Aberration said:
I am pretty sure we have B2's in Guam. Much closer.


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I think all nineteen are permanently based in Missouri. On occasion, two or three have been flown to Guam--and also to England and Diego Garcia--and stayed there briefly to demonstrate that they can operate from bases there. If several were flown to Guam and stayed there, it would be noticed by North Korea.

The U.S. does not have many other weapons which are stealthy enough for a surprise attack of the kind it has used against air defenses, for example in Iraq and Libya. The Tomahawk, especially when launched from submarines, is very hard to intercept or even detect. The ships now near Korea probably are carrying more than 400 of them, but the Tomahawks' 1,000-lb. warheads are not very effective against buried or strongly fortified targets.

The only other U.S. weapon that would be useful in a surprise "decapitation" strike is the F-22, which can carry eight of the 250-lb. "small diameter bomb." The latest version of this guided glide bomb is accurate enough that forty or so F-22's equipped with full loads of them (if the U.S. has that many) could destroy North Korea's air force on the ground, even if the planes were parked under concrete shelters. Because F-22's would probably have to operate from bases not too far away--in South Korea, or maybe Japan or Okinawa--the movement of them to any of those places would be important.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1067375869 said:
Hey, if Japan doesn't care NK missiles land around their country then that's on them.

China is not going to do anything to try to stop NK's self-destruction. To start, it would be ineffective and then they would look weak.

But I found it amusing when Trump stated some time ago, "at least they tried."
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I would think the countries that their missile can reach, would be more aggressive about protecting themselves.
 
Lutherf said:
Kim seems to be provoking a war. It would sure be interesting if Xi announced that he would stand down if there was a response.

Getting Kim out of the way, however, would only create a whole different crisis. The people of the DPRK have been generations under the Kims and even if they were liberated it would likely be a few generations before they became self sufficient.
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I'll bet that the Chinese are the response.
 
Higgins86 said:
Trump tweets " doesn't he have anything better to do with his life" and then essentially questions Japan and South Koreas resolve.

Foreign policy being played out on twitter....wow
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It isn't quite the fuax pau you're making it out to be...

North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? Hard to believe that South Korea and Japan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move on North Korea and end this nonsense once and for all!
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1067375841 said:
If he used military intervention people like you would accuse him of trying to start WW3. So go ahead and have it both way as I'm sure it makes you feel better.
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That's why Trump haters's complaints have zero credibility.
 
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