Russia says it's patience with U.S. is running thin in returning Russian embassy asse

Thoreau72 · Jul 10, 2017

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Rogue Valley said:
:roll: The above is opinion not supported with demonstrable facts. The governments of Afghanistan and Iraq certainly have invited the US to assist them against Taliban/ISIS insurgents.

No substantial US forces have been in Yemen for over two years.

Yours is an opinion supported by the very best propaganda points put forth by the mainstream media and its government handlers. Pure hot air.

Moderate Right · Jul 10, 2017

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Thoreau72 said:
There are many problems with our political and electoral system, our system of governance, many problems. That Libertarians aren't realists, whatever you're trying to say by that claim, is not one of those problems.

To simplify, perhaps the biggest problem is that the 2 major parties have convinced most of the voters that there are democratic principles at play in our system. Voting is rather a game to amuse us. No matter who is elected, for the most part, the end result is the same--governance by special interests. Oligarchy, Plutocracy, Fascism, whatever one chooses to describe it.

Governance responsive to the wishes of the people, the best interests of the people, is not in the cards. Governance by special interests is what happens. Many Libertarians do not have that figured out either, but they do have hope.

While I actually agree with Libertarians regarding 50% of their policy ideas, you have no coherent achievable game plan. None. Even if Gary Johnson had been elected president what was he going to accomplish? Most Republicans and Democrats in Congress would stop the majority of the Libertarian agenda from ever happening. And, Gary Johnson was barely an asterisk in the 2016 election. Hell, Ross Perot garnered 20% of the vote in 1992 and got a big fat goose egg in electoral votes. All you guys have is your thoughts in which to post on a forum and nothing else. You might as well be for legalizing banana smoking because that has as much likelihood of ever coming to be as your Libertarian policy ideas. Or, we could form a Hooker party where only hookers run on a campaign theme of legalizing prostitution everywhere. That might actually get more people elected than the Libertarian party ever will.

Moderate Right · Jul 10, 2017

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DaveFagan said:
The leaders of Afghanistan and Iraq are ones installed by the USA. The alleged legitimate government of Yemen was installed by Saudi Arabia. So, clearly, I don't see them as legitimate governments and therefore they do not have the right endowed by their citizenry to invite us. Label us INVADERS.
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They were elected by a monitored vote.

Thoreau72 · Jul 11, 2017

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Moderate Right said:
While I actually agree with Libertarians regarding 50% of their policy ideas, you have no coherent achievable game plan. None. Even if Gary Johnson had been elected president what was he going to accomplish? Most Republicans and Democrats in Congress would stop the majority of the Libertarian agenda from ever happening. And, Gary Johnson was barely an asterisk in the 2016 election. Hell, Ross Perot garnered 20% of the vote in 1992 and got a big fat goose egg in electoral votes. All you guys have is your thoughts in which to post on a forum and nothing else. You might as well be for legalizing banana smoking because that has as much likelihood of ever coming to be as your Libertarian policy ideas. Or, we could form a Hooker party where only hookers run on a campaign theme of legalizing prostitution everywhere. That might actually get more people elected than the Libertarian party ever will.

Well, one must crawl before one can walk. Actually, around the country in various local elections, the LP does fairly well. Crawling perhaps, but small scale success. Considering the lock the 2 party system has on US politics, that they have come this far is not bad.

Any effort to get rid of the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the 2 party system is a good effort.

Moderate Right · Jul 11, 2017

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Thoreau72 said:
Well, one must crawl before one can walk. Actually, around the country in various local elections, the LP does fairly well. Crawling perhaps, but small scale success. Considering the lock the 2 party system has on US politics, that they have come this far is not bad.

Any effort to get rid of the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the 2 party system is a good effort.

I agree with getting rid of the two party system but I'm far from on board with many Libertarian policies. Right now there are zero Libertarians in the House and zero in the Senate. You can't count anyone that is a Republican. If they were Libertarians then they would have an L next to their name and not an R. There are a select few who claim to be Libertarians but they did not run as Libertarians because they know it is a losing party.

Casca XV · Jul 12, 2017

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iguanaman said:
So tell us which U.S. agencies say it wasn't the Russians? The suspense is killing me.

All of them. Every US Intelligence Agency says hacking played no part in effecting the Presidential election. The ones who say Russia tried got that form Crowdstrike, a private cyber security company paid by the Democrat party and owned by a Ukrainian Billionaire who hates Russia.

iguanaman · Jul 12, 2017

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Casca XV said:
All of them. Every US Intelligence Agency says hacking played no part in effecting the Presidential election. The ones who say Russia tried got that form Crowdstrike, a private cyber security company paid by the Democrat party and owned by a Ukrainian Billionaire who hates Russia.

You are confusing the changing of actual votes with the changing of voters minds with illegal hacking and Russian paid trolls spreading fake news. Mind control by foreign entities is indeed capable of effecting the Presidential election and is also quite illegal. A candidate accepting any help from a foreign power is in violation of Federal election laws for that very reason.

Casca XV · Jul 12, 2017

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iguanaman said:
You are confusing the changing of actual votes with the changing of voters minds with illegal hacking and Russian paid trolls spreading fake news. Mind control by foreign entities is indeed capable of effecting the Presidential election and is also quite illegal. A candidate accepting any help from a foreign power is in violation of Federal election laws for that very reason.

Russian paid fake trolls, says who?

The only proven fake Trolls were from Media Matters for Hillary. It was only those that never had the "likes" or "shares" that were consistent with their numbers.

I guess next you will claim that the average Trump rally crowd size of 200,000 were paid by Russians to be there. While Hillary has to have celebrity concerts to get above 300.

iguanaman · Jul 12, 2017

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Casca XV said:
Russian paid fake trolls, says who?

The only proven fake Trolls were from Media Matters for Hillary. It was only those that never had the "likes" or "shares" that were consistent with their numbers.

I guess next you will claim that the average Trump rally crowd size of 200,000 were paid by Russians to be there. While Hillary has to have celebrity concerts to get above 300.

According to two members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) and committee chairman Richard Burr (R-NC), hundreds of Russian trolls were paid in 2016 to generate fake news stories about Clinton and target them at voters in key states in an effort to swing the election for Trump.

"There were upwards of a thousand paid internet trolls working out of a facility in Russia, in effect taking over a series of computers which are then called a botnet, that can then generate news down to specific areas," Warner said.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/03/31/paid-russians-spread-anti-clinton-fake-news/22020336/

It really sad when someone who is clueless about actual news takes to posting on sites such as these. Truly you are one of the "deplorables" and an enabler of Trumps destruction of America.

upsideguy · Jul 13, 2017

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Casca XV said:
Russian paid fake trolls, says who?

The only proven fake Trolls were from Media Matters for Hillary. It was only those that never had the "likes" or "shares" that were consistent with their numbers.

I guess next you will claim that the average Trump rally crowd size of 200,000 were paid by Russians to be there. While Hillary has to have celebrity concerts to get above 300.

You do realize you just exposed (and quantified) your delusions..... 200,000 for an average crowd? You are off by about 40 fold.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ge-as-he-often-claims/?utm_term=.05f7221d84d6
BY THE NUMBERS: TRUMP Averages 5,800 at Campaign Events - Hillary Averages Less than 1,000, Including Paid Staffers
[url]http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas/2016/11/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-rallies-161104233413813.html
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...and, while Trump* drew healthy crowds in 2016, they were much smaller crowds than those of Obama in 2008, who actually did have some six figure crowds.

How Do Trump Crowd Sizes Really Compare to Obama’s 2008 Crowds? – TheBlaze

Next time, check your facts before posting. I hate to see you spend your limited credibility on silly posts.

Casca XV · Jul 13, 2017

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upsideguy said:
You do realize you just exposed (and quantified) your delusions..... 200,000 for an average crowd? You are off by about 40 fold.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ge-as-he-often-claims/?utm_term=.05f7221d84d6
BY THE NUMBERS: TRUMP Averages 5,800 at Campaign Events - Hillary Averages Less than 1,000, Including Paid Staffers
[url]http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas/2016/11/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-rallies-161104233413813.html
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...and, while Trump* drew healthy crowds in 2016, they were much smaller crowds than those of Obama in 2008, who actually did have some six figure crowds.

How Do Trump Crowd Sizes Really Compare to Obama’s 2008 Crowds? – TheBlaze

Next time, check your facts before posting. I hate to see you spend your limited credibility on silly posts.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious typo. 20,000 was his average.

But even in jumping on something like this you lose. Because I get to point out that about 100% of the time when President Trump is called a liar its over honest mistakes like this, being taken out of context or occasional hyperbolic bragging.There are no harmful lies like "you can keep your doctor" "Bengahazi was caused by a video" or "17 intelligence agencies say Russia hacked the election."

What your source left out were the tens of thousands of people who could not fit into the stadiums and listened to the speeches from speakers outside.

Yes both Obama and Bernie ocasionally got Trump size crowds but while Trump was doing it almost every day sometimes twice a day theirs were rare.

And as we all know almost every Hillary rally was a half empty high school gym, yet we are asked to believe she was the popular choice.

Russia says it's patience with U.S. is running thin in returning Russian embassy asse

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