Democrats want to use the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump from Office

zimmer · Jul 6, 2017

Zyphlin said:
Not an actual group

Not an actual place.

Not an actual law

When you make up gibberish words that aren't real why should anyone bother to try and respond with worth while useful counter points? Gibberish isn't an argument, it's nonsense.

Demokrats: The metasticized cancerous Socialist wing of the Democrat Party that has now taken over it whole. No longer is there room for Blue Dawgs (did not see any during the ObamaKare vote), or the likes of Joe Lieberman. Demokrats are largely anti-American and prone to lying to aggressively defend their Socialist gains (much like the jackals in The Omen). Had their first candidate elected president in 2008; he who wanted to "change America fundamentally" into "Amerika" (see below).

Amerika: The Socialist State Demokrats dream of. They're well on their way to enslaving the nation with their programs, intrusions, class warfare, and multiples of Mt. Everest debt. The counter-culture Alinskyites have done a great job perverting our schools, courts and institutions. Future generations will be paying for their total idiocy.

ObamaKare: Massive state intervention into US medical care with the goal of gracing us eventually (as admitted by Barack Hussein Obama) to North Korean styled healthkare... aka "single payer". ObamaKare, the scheme foisted on the "stupidity" of Americans (Jon Gruber quoted there). Use of tax authorities (IRS) to punish non-compilers. Actually forcing individuals to purchase a service. ObamaKare: named after Alinskyite, Barack Hussein Obama, Socialist-Demokrat from the bankrupt state of Illinois.

Now you're up to speed Mr. Independent from NoMoAuchie.

I thought you might have been able to figure all this out on your lonesome. I guessed wrong. You're not near as gifted in the ways and means of politics as I thought. Oh well... everyone is entitled to a mistake... this was mine.

PS. I didn't realize "Independents" were so thin skinned either. It must only be those from NoMoAuchie. Oh well... Gute Besserung (Get well soon).

NOW A BLOG POST TOO!

ROTFLOL...

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 7, 2017

zimmer said:
Nice attempt at a dodge.

You've had a lot of time to answer the post below (reposted and numbered to make it easy for you). It's not soap-boxing, it is a response to your "soap-boxing".

So give it a try.

Illustrate where my response to you is fundamentally flawed.

This should be easy... but it isn't for you, because you have no response. That is why you run and dodge.

Man up. This is debatepolitics.com ... I responded to your soapbox post... with a thoughtful response rebutting your idiocy. So have a go Champ. Don't be cowardly.

I've added your "soapbox" post as a reference so you can recall what I responded to.

Bon apetit.

And I've told you, zim. Post something that makes a lick of sense and isn't nothing but soapboxing right wing partisan hackery. Do that, and we can talk. Keep posting worthless and irrelevant garbage, and I'll just keep pointing that out. Your choice.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 7, 2017

zimmer said:
Demokrats: The metasticized cancerous Socialist wing of the Democrat Party that has now taken over it whole. No longer is there room for Blue Dawgs (did not see any during the ObamaKare vote), or the likes of Joe Lieberman. Demokrats are largely anti-American and prone to lying to aggressively defend their Socialist gains (much like the jackals in The Omen). Had their first candidate elected president in 2008; he who wanted to "change America fundamentally" into "Amerika" (see below).

Amerika: The Socialist State Demokrats dream of. They're well on their way to enslaving the nation with their programs, intrusions, class warfare, and multiples of Mt. Everest debt. The counter-culture Alinskyites have done a great job perverting our schools, courts and institutions. Future generations will be paying for their total idiocy.

ObamaKare: Massive state intervention into US medical care with the goal of gracing us eventually (as admitted by Barack Hussein Obama) to North Korean styled healthkare... aka "single payer". ObamaKare, the scheme foisted on the "stupidity" of Americans (Jon Gruber quoted there). Use of tax authorities (IRS) to punish non-compilers. Actually forcing individuals to purchase a service. ObamaKare: named after Alinskyite, Barack Hussein Obama, Socialist-Demokrat from the bankrupt state of Illinois.

Now you're up to speed Mr. Independent from NoMoAuchie.

I thought you might have been able to figure all this out on your lonesome. I guessed wrong. You're not near as gifted in the ways and means of politics as I thought. Oh well... everyone is entitled to a mistake... this was mine.

PS. I didn't realize "Independents" were so thin skinned either. It must only be those from NoMoAuchie. Oh well... Gute Besserung (Get well soon).

NOW A BLOG POST TOO!
ROTFLOL...

See, this is what I mean about you posting worthless garbage. Post something that has some intelligence to it, something that isn't just moronic right wing hackery, and we won't have to keep exposing those things about you.

DiAnna · Jul 7, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
And guess what? We completely agree here. What do you know.

Indeed, we can't allow partisan politics to infest congress to the extent that the party that rules the senate and the house can simply invalidate elections by invoking the 25th Amendment based on politics. There must be a super-majority vote in BOTH houses even to officially start the process. The potential for political abuse is enormous.

zimmer · Jul 7, 2017

Editor's correction in red:

CaptainCourtesy said:
I don't like your post, cannot rebut your post, do not find humor in your post... though it does explain in a clever manner, the evolution of the Demokrat Party towards its Amerikan ideals, and how ObamaKare was a key bit of legistlation in that pursuit.

Oh... I wish I had your talent Zimmer, but I don't.

zimmer · Jul 7, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
And I've told you, zim. Post something that makes a lick of sense and isn't nothing but soapboxing right wing partisan hackery. Do that, and we can talk. Keep posting worthless and irrelevant garbage, and I'll just keep pointing that out. Your choice.

Look at your post(s) and mine. You soapboxed, and I responded with clear answers brought about through accurate thinking, and a bit of humor (time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out what you've done wrong all these decades). You really should... for the good of the nation.

You have no answer, so you attempt to dodge. Yet again.

Your post is below followed by my answers. They are numbered to make your response easy, and to help you from your excited, run-along paragraph posts... signifying nothing.

So Champ... have a stab. My being such a lightweight, this should be EASY for you... ROTFLOL.

Have no fear... I embrace free speech.

I look forward to your dissecting my analysis.

Thanks in advance,
Zim

Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.
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Zimmer' reply:

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

2. "They" won Trump the election.

3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

5. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

6. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

7. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

8. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

9. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

10. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

11. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

12. Talk about childish losers... Phew!

Last edited by zimmer; 07-04-17 at 02:38 PM.

Nilly · Jul 7, 2017

Captain Adverse said:
Our society can get over a President like this...simply wait 4 years and vote again.

Sure, society can get over a president.

But the vulnerable people in society, the sick who lose their healthcare, the women and minorities who are discriminated against, the immigrants who's lives are torn apart, the poor who get taken advantage of, even the environment, might not get over such a president.

Trump may not be a threat to you, middle aged white man in mid-western USA (apologies if I've assumed wrong here). But he sure as hell does threaten other people. Which is why people will continue to resist him.

zimmer · Jul 7, 2017

Nilly said:
Sure, society can get over a president.

But the vulnerable people in society, the sick who lose their healthcare, the women and minorities who are discriminated against, the immigrants who's lives are torn apart, the poor who get taken advantage of, even the environment, might not get over such a president.

Trump may not be a threat to you, middle aged white man in mid-western USA (apologies if I've assumed wrong here). But he sure as hell does threaten other people. Which is why people will continue to resist him.

1. We are a nation of laws. Destroy the rule of law, and you destroy America. Like... having a 2-tier justice system where a former Secretary of State and presidential candidate skates after committing a series of felonies.

2. The law unifies the nation. Destroy the rule of law and you destroy that unity.

3. Government is a wasteful and cold element. Tell me one government program that has come in on-time, and near budget. You won;t find one, but you will find trillions of waste... about 22 Trillion in the war on Poverty alone... and the needle on poverty hasn't moved... except the needle of class warfare, division, and dependence on government. Sad... so sad.

4. With pt. 3 in mind, it's insane to let government anywhere near healthcare, except for writing criminal laws related to its delivery. ObamaKare, created by Demokrats who had decades of time to forge their dreams, created a massive dung for the people. It raised costs massively, deductibles are so high that "insurance" is useless, and the beauty of it all... is it was passed with lie after lie (ask Jon Gruber).

ObamaKare has imploded in record time... illustrating clearly how crappy government is at running things, and you want more government!!! ??? You want them to make life and death decisions? Phew!

The free market delivers the best product and service... that's how you get supercomputers to hold in your hand for a couple hundred bucks... when a mere few decades before your "mobile phone" (calls only) meant you basically had to carry a telephone booth with you, and it cost $10,000. I had one, so I know about it... only wish I'd kept the damn thing as a historic relic.

5. Presidents are not there to breast feed the nation. They are there to lead... ideally to lead government towards maximum LIBERTY from government.

6. Illegal immigrants are "illegal". The broke the law coming here and/or staying here. See points 1 and 2?

Criminals get sent to prison everyday, and are separated from families. If they don;t want to risk separation...don't come here illegally... or... LEAVE TOGETHER!!! (Especially when it is as awful a country as you paint it to be).

7. The environment might not get over such a president? ROTFLOL. What type of fear mongering poison do you consume? Was this brainwashing provided to you by your schools? Or is it just media poison?

8. "Discrimination". You did see points 1 and 2. The "law" settles those injustices should they occur. Laws Obama seemed to like to ignore, and certain cities... to the detriment of the citizens of this nation.

Obama discriminated against our citizens, by allowing illegals to invade en masse. Many of our citizens have paid a heavy price... being murdered, raped, or being at the end of violent crime... from people who should not be here... Illegal Invaders.

What is so sad and pathetic is your seeming dependence on government, and looking to government to answer all your ills in life. Government cannot do that.

America... the freest nation, most prosperous nation, the nation with opportunity everywhere... and this poster writes about it as if we're in some socialist backwater like France or Italy.

American · Jul 7, 2017

BillRM said:
Would you care to give a short list of presidents that you think was as incompetent as Trump as I can not think of even one off hand.

There was a very large field of candidates the last time running for the republican party nomination an while I did not agree with their positions on the issues I can not think of anyone of them that would not be a competent president but for Trump.

None of them would had been likely to stay awake to send tweets instead of taking care of business of being president.

Hillary Clinton who didn't even have a message during her campaign, and was the most corrupt woman in history.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 8, 2017

zimmer said:
Editor's correction in red:

So, you are refusing to actually post in some sort of intelligently debatable format and prefer to continue to soapbox in your standard right wing hack format. OK. I suppose I'll just keep reminding you of that until you decide to start actually saying something that makes sense.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 8, 2017

zimmer said:
Look at your post(s) and mine. You soapboxed, and I responded with clear answers brought about through accurate thinking, and a bit of humor (time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out what you've done wrong all these decades). You really should... for the good of the nation.

You have no answer, so you attempt to dodge. Yet again.

Your post is below followed by my answers. They are numbered to make your response easy, and to help you from your excited, run-along paragraph posts... signifying nothing.

So Champ... have a stab. My being such a lightweight, this should be EASY for you... ROTFLOL.

Have no fear... I embrace free speech.

I look forward to your dissecting my analysis.

Thanks in advance,
Zim

I told you, zim. You post in a right wing hack soapboxing format, I am going to call you on it. When you start posting in an intelligent, debate-worthy format, you'll get a debate. Thus far, you haven't posted anything that isn't akin to a religious guy on the corner, ridiculously claiming that anyone who doesn't BELIEVE as he believes is going to burn in Hell. And remember... free speech works both ways. You have free speech. And I have the free speech to say that your speech is stupid.

zimmer · Jul 8, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
I told you, zim. You post in a right wing hack soapboxing format, I am going to call you on it. When you start posting in an intelligent, debate-worthy format, you'll get a debate. Thus far, you haven't posted anything that isn't akin to a religious guy on the corner, ridiculously claiming that anyone who doesn't BELIEVE as he believes is going to burn in Hell. And remember... free speech works both ways. You have free speech. And I have the free speech to say that your speech is stupid.

You are going to run, hide, and dodge. You do not do it well. Maybe in the past, but your charade has been worn out. It's transparent.

You made a soapbox post, and I responded to it with coherent reasoning which you are incapable of rebutting.

So, let us try another tact. I have posted below your OP, and my responses. You go through each one and tell me how it is a soapbox, and not a coherent rebuttal... ROTFLOL.

You're out of your league, you know it, and this is why you've been rendered to using child-like posts in an attempt to answer ( yours is not a rebuttal of any sort to what I've written.

Now CC... you can climb down from YOUR soapbox posts. The post below is numbered for ease of responding. So... are you going to dodge, or are you going to give coherent answers as I have to YOUR soapbox post? And yes... humor is permitted too. That's an element of debate.

PS. I can see all is not well. You've reverted to run-along paragraphs, and have begun inserting your limited vocabulary of insults in your responses. Oh well. That's life I guess.

Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.
###

Zimmer' reply:

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

2. "They" won Trump the election.

3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

5. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

6. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

7. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

8. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

9. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

10. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

11. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

12. Talk about childish losers... Phew!

Last edited by zimmer; 07-04-17 at 02:38 PM.

Oborosen · Jul 8, 2017

Captain Adverse said:
This is just more propaganda put out by these politicians in order to show their base they are still fighting the good fight. They know there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of this working.

Still this is just one more example of how irrational those who felt the election was stolen from them are willing to be, how far they are willing to go to undermine a duly elected President.

To change the results by any means necessary, hook or crook!

Then people on that side of the fence wonder why those of us who voted for him simply get more entrenched in his defense. :roll:

IMO, if the loyal opposition, both in Congress and on the streets had accepted the results, and then focused on real policy issues instead of pushing a litany of allegations including election hacking, voter fraud, miscounts, mental health concerns, demonizing labels, Russian collusion, unfaithful electors, changing the process and having a revote...and impeachment?

Then those of us who voted for him would probably be more willing to argue various merits for and against his actions in office.

We can't do that because his opponents are throwing too much mud, most of it crap.

"Okay here is my hospital bill" The amount of common sense in this post just broke my neck when I tried to imagine it.

Oborosen · Jul 8, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

Actually he did win on ideas, and policies, though I don't think any of you were listening.

Though I think it was mostly because Hilary was a two faced monster, and many people were appalled at how Bernie could be cannibalized by his own party so easily.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 8, 2017

Oborosen said:
Actually he did win on ideas, and policies, though I don't think any of you were listening.

No, it was the other side who wasn't listening. All they were attending to was the hype. The didn't notice that there wasn't anything beneath it.

Though I think it was mostly because Hilary was a two faced monster, and many people were appalled at how Bernie could be cannibalized by his own party so easily.

A big part of it was that Hillary ran an awful campaign, one where she had basically had already moved in to the WH. She presented very little of her own, just presented a contrast. No way to run a campaign.

Oborosen · Jul 8, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
No, it was the other side who wasn't listening. All they were attending to was the hype. The didn't notice that there wasn't anything beneath it.

A big part of it was that Hillary ran an awful campaign, one where she had basically had already moved in to the WH. She presented very little of her own, just presented a contrast. No way to run a campaign.

Would you honestly of voted for Hillary?
Because I was set for Bernie, until the party gutted him just for her benefit.

ps, props for admitting that by the way.
You would not believe how many times I've been called a sexist just for pointing that out.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 8, 2017

zimmer said:
You are going to run, hide, and dodge. You do not do it well. Maybe in the past, but your charade has been worn out. It's transparent.

You made a soapbox post, and I responded to it with coherent reasoning which you are incapable of rebutting.

So, let us try another tact. I have posted below your OP, and my responses. You go through each one and tell me how it is a soapbox, and not a coherent rebuttal... ROTFLOL.

You're out of your league, you know it, and this is why you've been rendered to using child-like posts in an attempt to answer ( yours is not a rebuttal of any sort to what I've written.

Now CC... you can climb down from YOUR soapbox posts. The post below is numbered for ease of responding. So... are you going to dodge, or are you going to give coherent answers as I have to YOUR soapbox post? And yes... humor is permitted too. That's an element of debate.

PS. I can see all is not well. You've reverted to run-along paragraphs, and have begun inserting your limited vocabulary of insults in your responses. Oh well. That's life I guess.

Still doing the right wing hack soapboxing format, eh, zim? Start posting in a reasonable debate encouraging style, and you'll get a response. Don't, and I'll just keep reminding you... and the rest of the forum (though they already know) that your posts offer nothing in debate. They are just you soapboxing your little personal and extreme anti-liberal position. Now come on, zim. I KNOW you can do it. Rewrite your post in a format that has value, makes sense, and offers the opportunity to debate. I don't debate that preacher on the street. I point at him and tell him that what he's saying is nonsense. Don't be like him.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 8, 2017

Oborosen said:
Would you honestly of voted for Hillary?
Because I was set for Bernie, until the party gutted him just for her benefit.

Absolutely would have voted for Hillary in order to vote against Trump. She was a FAR better candidate in 2008 when I preferred her to Obama.

ps, props for admitting that by the way.
You would not believe how many times I've been called a sexist just for pointing that out.

Sexist for just not liking Hillary??? That's stupid unless you say, "I wouldn't vote for Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman". People who call you that are blind hacks. I'd ignore them.

zimmer · Jul 8, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
Still doing the right wing hack soapboxing format, eh, zim? Start posting in a reasonable debate encouraging style, and you'll get a response. Don't, and I'll just keep reminding you... and the rest of the forum (though they already know) that your posts offer nothing in debate. They are just you soapboxing your little personal and extreme anti-liberal position. Now come on, zim. I KNOW you can do it. Rewrite your post in a format that has value, makes sense, and offers the opportunity to debate. I don't debate that preacher on the street. I point at him and tell him that what he's saying is nonsense. Don't be like him.

You seem to have defaulted to your run-along, limited vocabulary posting style. Your rant is not rebuttal, and there is no need to rewrite anything on my side...

...I provided, clear concise answers in short paragraphs. Quite the contrast to your run-along paragraphs of deflection and dodging.

I rebutted your SoapBox post, and you have no answer, so you dodge. Hoping to run out the clock, to bury the post, and perhaps have me infracted from reposting your post after you dodge.

Sorry... no such luck on your part.

Instead of this idiotic cat-mouse game you want to play as a substitute for providing answers to my post, I've immoratalized your behavior in a blog.

Perhaps someone at some time can assist you, and your side.

It's a worthwhile educational piece exposing aberrant behavior:

The Anatomy of a Dodging Demokrat SoapBoxer
https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/zimmer/1381-anatomy-dodging-demokrat-soapboxer.html

Blogs are a wonderful tool, especially in this instance.

PS. Like all things I write... it's clear, concise, to the point and readable.

CaptainCourtesy · Jul 8, 2017

zimmer said:
You seem to have defaulted to your run-along, limited vocabulary posting style.

I rebutted your SoapBox post, and you have no answer, so you dodge.

Instead of this idiotic cat-mouse game you want to play as a substitute for providing answers to my post, I've immoratalized your behavior in a blog.

Perhaps someone at some time can assist you, and your side.

It's a worthwhile educational piece to expose aberrant behavior:
The Anatomy of a Dodging Demokrat SoapBoxer
https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/zimmer/1381-anatomy-dodging-demokrat-soapboxer.html

You've refuted nothing. In fact, your link is just immortalizes your anti-left soapboxing, pointless and devoid of any sense or debate worthy comments, for eternity. Come on, zim... I KNOW you have it in you. Make ONE post that offers something that is not nonsense. ONE post that offers something that is debate worthy. You can do it.

zimmer · Jul 8, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
You've refuted nothing. In fact, your link is just immortalizes your anti-left soapboxing, pointless and devoid of any sense or debate worthy comments, for eternity. Come on, zim... I KNOW you have it in you. Make ONE post that offers something that is not nonsense. ONE post that offers something that is debate worthy. You can do it.

ROTFLOL... Au contraire, mon frère. (Quite to the contrary).

The post below clarifies matters brilliantly, and THE BLOG will always be easily found for when you come up with some coherent answers to the post I made. It's so easy to find, you don't have to bookmark it!!!

The Anatomy of a Dodging Demokrat SoapBoxer
https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/zimmer/1381-anatomy-dodging-demokrat-soapboxer.html

Bon apetit!!!

zimmer said:
You seem to have defaulted to your run-along, limited vocabulary posting style. Your rant is not rebuttal, and there is no need to rewrite anything on my side...

...I provided, clear concise answers in short paragraphs. Quite the contrast to your run-along paragraphs of deflection and dodging.

I rebutted your SoapBox post, and you have no answer, so you dodge. Hoping to run out the clock, to bury the post, and perhaps have me infracted from reposting your post after you dodge.

Sorry... no such luck on your part.

Instead of this idiotic cat-mouse game you want to play as a substitute for providing answers to my post, I've immoratalized your behavior in a blog.

Perhaps someone at some time can assist you, and your side.

It's a worthwhile educational piece exposing aberrant behavior:

The Anatomy of a Dodging Demokrat SoapBoxer
https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/zimmer/1381-anatomy-dodging-demokrat-soapboxer.html

Blogs are a wonderful tool, especially in this instance.

PS. Like all things I write... it's clear, concise, to the point and readable.

Perhaps you are overwhelmed. Let's try it this way. In baby steps. Here is point 1 in my rebuttal to your SoapBox post:

CC wrote ...they elected an immature child...

Part 1 in response to your post:

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

Let me assist you further with the thinking process needed to answer:

Were "they" all R's who voted Trump in Blue Wall States? Or even in the primaries? Is it possible D's voted for him too? Is it possible disillusioned 2-time Obama voters pulled the lever for Trump in Blue Wall states on Nov. 8, 2016?

You carry on from here. If you need further assistance, I'm a click away.

Let me know when you're ready for Part 2.

WE can get through this TOGETHER.

Oborosen · Jul 8, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
Absolutely would have voted for Hillary in order to vote against Trump. She was a FAR better candidate in 2008 when I preferred her to Obama.

Sexist for just not liking Hillary??? That's stupid unless you say, "I wouldn't vote for Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman". People who call you that are blind hacks. I'd ignore them.

I try to ignore them as much as I can, though when you live right next door to one. It gets to be kind of a challenge, and she was one of those people that collapsed on her knees when the election results were announced, so there was added weight to the trouble there.

I am torn to be honest, I was a verdant Democrat up until they mulched Bernie for what was left of his resources in the races. Before that my position was damaged after I voted for Obama in his first term, and then felt betrayed enough to not vote for him on the second pass.. I would rather castrate myself with a wooden spoon then vote for Mitt Romney to be honest.

zimmer · Jul 8, 2017

Oborosen said:
I try to ignore them as much as I can, though when you live right next door to one. It gets to be kind of a challenge, and she was one of those people that collapsed on her knees when the election results were announced, so there was added weight to the trouble there.

I am torn to be honest, I was a verdant Democrat up until they mulched Bernie for what was left of his resources in the races. Before that my position was damaged after I voted for Obama in his first term, and then felt betrayed enough to not vote for him on the second pass.. I would rather castrate myself with a wooden spoon then vote for Mitt Romney to be honest.

Curious about the choice of words... did you mean "verdant" (very green), or ardent (passionate)?

Haven't heard about "verdant" D's... but like the description... just wish I'd come up with it.

Spend time posting on democraticunderground.com (LOL), and haven't seen it there either.

Oborosen · Jul 11, 2017

zimmer said:
Curious about the choice of words... did you mean "verdant" (very green), or ardent (passionate)?

Haven't heard about "verdant" D's... but like the description... just wish I'd come up with it.

Spend time posting on democraticunderground.com (LOL), and haven't seen it there either.

I think I was trying to say it along the line of "Verdantly" though my pronunciation could be off.

Yes I have been to Democraticunderground, I currently have 3 permanently suspended accounts with them, and the admins are just ignoring me.

zimmer · Jul 11, 2017

CaptainCourtesy said:
You've refuted nothing. In fact, your link is just immortalizes your anti-left soapboxing, pointless and devoid of any sense or debate worthy comments, for eternity. Come on, zim... I KNOW you have it in you. Make ONE post that offers something that is not nonsense. ONE post that offers something that is debate worthy. You can do it.

Perhaps you missed this, as you seem to have been very busy with other things

It seems you were overwhelmed... so... Let's try getting through my rebuttal to your SOAPBOX POST this way. In baby steps. Here is point 1 in my rebuttal to your SOAPBOX POST... but before we get into the meat of it:

If I do not get a response, I will take it that you accept my argument as the correct one, and in 48-hours... will move on to POINT #2... unless you ask for an extension of time.

CC wrote ...they elected an immature child...

Part 1 in response to your post:

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

Let me assist you further with the thinking process needed to answer:

Were "they" all R's who voted Trump in Blue Wall States?

Or even in the primaries?

Is it possible D's voted for him too?

Is it possible disillusioned 2-time Obama voters pulled the lever for Trump in Blue Wall states on Nov. 8, 2016?

Is it possible many R's did not vote because they did not support Trump? What some called "Never Trumpers" or just not Thrilled with Trump?

Is it possible many of these former Obama voters saw Hillary as an extension of Obama, and saw him as an immature anti-American "child", and did not want a third term of their anti-American agenda?

Is it possible "they" saw a businessman, not bought by anyone who was the straightest talking individual running for office in their lifetime, and wanted him to turn the ratty vessel called the Federal Government around... in a pro-American direction?

Is it possible they saw in Trump, someone on their side? Someone who would get ObamaKare repealed, Taxes lowered, illegal immigration halted, take on terrorism, strengthen the military, and build a wall... as just part of their reasoning?

With his win in Blue Wall States, this would mean "they" were not all Republicans, but very many were Demo*rats who felt abandoned by the Demo*rat Partei.

You carry on from here. If you need further assistance, I'm a click away.

Let me know when you're ready for Part 2... or... we will chalk Part 1 as YOUR ACCEPTANCE of my argument correcting your false statement.

WE can get through this TOGETHER.

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