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SCOTUS rules for MO church in public funding

faithful_servant said:
Instead of making bigoted assumptions, how about you show us some evidence to back up your bigoted ideas... Even the KKK could throw out some half-assed, cobbled together crapola arguments against "miscegenation", surely you can meet that incredibly low standard.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...dallas&usg=AFQjCNHYbHd6VL9GtgFdsuC6BNK-Qeq58w

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-protest-proposed-ga-mosque-article-1.2762111

Meeting About Proposed Georgia Mosque Canceled After Militia Video Surfaces - NBC News

Anti-Sharia Law protesters show up with guns to Richardson mosque | WFAA.com

Detroit suburb's Iraqi Christians lead protests against new mosque | Middle East Eye

I could look for more if you want, but a simple google search regarding mosque protests would be more than enough


So overall do you or anyone think that those taking part in these protests would feel it was acceptable for taxpayer money to be used to upgrade a playground attached to a muslim school?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...dallas&usg=AFQjCNHYbHd6VL9GtgFdsuC6BNK-Qeq58w

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-protest-proposed-ga-mosque-article-1.2762111

Meeting About Proposed Georgia Mosque Canceled After Militia Video Surfaces - NBC News

Anti-Sharia Law protesters show up with guns to Richardson mosque | WFAA.com

Detroit suburb's Iraqi Christians lead protests against new mosque | Middle East Eye

I could look for more if you want, but a simple google search regarding mosque protests would be more than enough


So overall do you or anyone think that those taking part in these protests would feel it was acceptable for taxpayer money to be used to upgrade a playground attached to a muslim school?
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So could you point out which one of those stories was about Christians opposing public funds going to a mosque to make a playground safer??
 
faithful_servant said:
So could you point out which one of those stories was about Christians opposing public funds going to a mosque to make a playground safer??
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Obviously none, but that was not what I stated now is it

I stated the ruling to allow taxpayer money to upgrade a playground for a christian school will allow for a muslim school to request the same and that people like those that in the links I posted would be against taxpayer money going to support building a playground for a muslim school


So how about you answer this question

So overall do you or anyone think that those taking part in these protests would feel it was acceptable for taxpayer money to be used to upgrade a playground attached to a muslim school?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Obviously none, but that was not what I stated now is it
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good then your argument is done with and this thread has nothing to do with that.
the court ruling said that a state cannot restrict public funding to someone simply because they are a
church if it would qualify for said funding.

as long as that funding does not establish a religion etc ...
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You all realize this will open the door for tax payer money being used to build playgrounds at other religious schools

Like Muslim schools, Buddhist schools, Hindu schools

And failure to grant those funds to those schools will open the government to lawsuits regarding discrimination and state sponsored religion.
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The Satanic Temple can use this ruling to do much good in vetting out Christian leaders who discriminate against non-Christians.

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faithful_servant said:
So could you point out which one of those stories was about Christians opposing public funds going to a mosque to make a playground safer??
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I can point to a TX community going bat shat crazy at a town hearing about a zoning permit so a Muslim community could build a cemetery on their own private land.

Why is it beyond imagination that many would be against any public funds going to Muslims?

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slo1111 said:
The Satanic Temple can use this ruling to do much good in vetting out Christian leaders who discriminate against non-Christians.

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Not really. This has nothing to do with that.
All this has to do with is the church getting access to funds that other non-profits can use to upgrade their play grounds.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Obviously none, but that was not what I stated now is it

I stated the ruling to allow taxpayer money to upgrade a playground for a christian school will allow for a muslim school to request the same and that people like those that in the links I posted would be against taxpayer money going to support building a playground for a muslim school


So how about you answer this question

So overall do you or anyone think that those taking part in these protests would feel it was acceptable for taxpayer money to be used to upgrade a playground attached to a muslim school?
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Every Christian I know would support this kind of thing. You seem to want to find a reason to denigrate Christians and this is a nice convenient one, since you can show a couple of instances of people acting in an un-Christian manner to justify your attitude.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Certainly not, but I expect a significant number of Americans would be vehemently against tax payer money being used to help muslims or buddhists of any age. The point being it opens up that as being a something that can and most likely will happen

and to paraphrase American

Conservative christian head explode in 5 4 3 2 1
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Lord Tammerlain:

Would this argument not lend a veneer of credibility to the intolerant views of prejudiced and xenophobic segments of the population, if the Supreme Court made decisions to cater to their biases and to head-off their ire? It seems more prudent to anger racists and xenophobes than to cater to them.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
faithful_servant said:
Every Christian I know would support this kind of thing. You seem to want to find a reason to denigrate Christians and this is a nice convenient one, since you can show a couple of instances of people acting in an un-Christian manner to justify your attitude.
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You are making the assumption I was meaning every Christian, which I was not.

But based on the links I am very certain that protests would follow if a muslim school received government funding to upgrade a playground.

And more to the point

I was educated in state funded catholic schools and my son is currently in a state funded catholic school. The education portion of my property taxes goes to the catholic school system rather than the public school system, despite the fact that I am agnostic
 
American said:
List the schools that don't feed children.
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I take it you're not aware of the conservative attempts to slash school lunch assistance. Glad to help you out bro.
 
ludin said:
Not really. This has nothing to do with that. All this has to do with is the church getting access to funds that other non-profits can use to upgrade their play grounds.
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Okay, but I'm puzzled as to why anyone thinks that public money should be expended to maintain the private property of religious institutions?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You all realize this will open the door for tax payer money being used to build playgrounds at other religious schools

Like Muslim schools, Buddhist schools, Hindu schools

And failure to grant those funds to those schools will open the government to lawsuits regarding discrimination and state sponsored religion.
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Good for them. I hope they build some awesome playgrounds.
 
Napoleon said:
Okay, but I'm puzzled as to why anyone thinks that public money should be expended to maintain the private property of religious institutions?
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I had to look it up myself. Basically other charities were being given state money to help subsidize the cost of rubberizing their playgrounds. The church was being denied that just because they were a church. The ruling is also very narrow to only authorize this for safety reasons. Now you can argue why any charity should be given state funds for this but there you have it. On the surface I have no problem with it but I think the religious fanatics will use this to push other boundaries.
 
Praxas said:
I had to look it up myself. Basically other charities were being given state money to help subsidize the cost of rubberizing their playgrounds. The church was being denied that just because they were a church. The ruling is also very narrow to only authorize this for safety reasons. Now you can argue why any charity should be given state funds for this but there you have it. On the surface I have no problem with it but I think the religious fanatics will use this to push other boundaries.
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I think the fundamental difference is that "Trinity Lutheran Child Learning Center" is not a charity and their playground isn't open to the public. It is a private church-based childcare center that charges tuition and "incorporates daily religion and developmentally appropriate activities in a preschool program" which includes singing in this church's worship services according to their website. I do agree that other religious zealots will try to take advantage of this ruling - which was a big mistake on the part of the SC in my opinion.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Certainly not, but I expect a significant number of Americans would be vehemently against tax payer money being used to help muslims or buddhists of any age. The point being it opens up that as being a something that can and most likely will happen

and to paraphrase American

Conservative christian head explode in 5 4 3 2 1
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There is no need for you to invent problems that don't exist just so you can take potshots at conservatives.

Have some class.
 
Napoleon said:
I think the fundamental difference is that "Trinity Lutheran Child Learning Center" is not a charity and their playground isn't open to the public. It is a private church-based childcare center that charges tuition and "incorporates daily religion and developmentally appropriate activities in a preschool program" which includes singing in this church's worship services according to their website. I do agree that other religious zealots will try to take advantage of this ruling - which was a big mistake on the part of the SC in my opinion.
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Do you think the existence of the school is dependent on the comfort of the playground?
 
Napoleon said:
Okay, but I'm puzzled as to why anyone thinks that public money should be expended to maintain the private property of religious institutions?
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I would be puzzled too... were what you said a thing.
 
Deuce said:
I take it you're not aware of the conservative attempts to slash school lunch assistance. Glad to help you out bro.
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A pull plates of food away from hungry black children, amirite?
 
Napoleon said:
Okay, but I'm puzzled as to why anyone thinks that public money should be expended to maintain the private property of religious institutions?
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I am puzzled as to why anyone thinks that public money should be expended to maintain non-profit pre-school playgrounds anywhere.

the money was set aside to help improve pre-school playgrounds. as a pre-school they qualify for money to help improve their playground.
the only reason they were denied is because they were a religious organization. the government cannot discriminate based on religion
just as the SCOTUS ruled.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You all realize this will open the door for tax payer money being used to build playgrounds at other religious schools

Like Muslim schools, Buddhist schools, Hindu schools

And failure to grant those funds to those schools will open the government to lawsuits regarding discrimination and state sponsored religion.
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If the state funds were intended for a purpose, then no group should be specifically excluded from meeting that purpose.
 
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