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A black off-duty cop tried to help stop a crime. Another officer shot him.

Slingshot Bob has no idea that the first two officers had already stopped considering him a threat BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZED HIM and asked him to walk towards them.
 
I agree. We're starting to see that it does not matter who the person approaching is. It use to be that Michael Brown was a thug, so was Treyvon Martin and that was enough for them to be seen as threats. Then, Castille happened and it was no longer about him being a thug, but allegedly reaching for a gun in a situation they had zero need to as he was lawfully in possession of his gun.

Now, it's simply because some people with guns are scary even if they're law abiding officers. They can be shot if the time of day, visibility and jumpiness is right.

"I was afraid so I get to murder."
 
Definitely would cause concern if you are in civilian clothes and come up with a visible gun. But it does sound like the off duty officer did everything ordered to him.

This is going to be tough case.

the cops on scene did nothing wrong. it was the guy late to the party.
however the cops on scene should have called and let people know that there was a PC on site.
 
As the events played out. Officers responded to a stolen vehicle call.
Occupants of the stolen vehicle attempt to run and shot at law enforcement.
Cops finally stopped the occupants of the vehicle.
Armed 'citizen' appears trying to help, is ordered to the ground (with a firearm).
Cops recognize 'citizen' as a cop, tell him to get up and to assist.
Newly arriving officer, aware only that the cops were arresting suspects that had shot at them, sees an armed 'suspect' get up and approach with a gun'
Newly arriving officer fires, thinking it is a suspect, approaching cops with a gun.

Does that sound like the scenario as it played out?
 
All of the above?

My first thought was about hos the arriving/shooting officer should have assessed the situation and concluded that the other officers had it in hand.

Yep, arrives see a person with a gun, obviously the Officers on site are just plain stupid.
 
The stuff some people will bend over backwards to defend is nuts. We can now have cops be shot simply because they are seen as a threat by somebody who apparently didn't have all of the facts.


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As the events played out. Officers responded to a stolen vehicle call.
Occupants of the stolen vehicle attempt to run and shot at law enforcement.
Cops finally stopped the occupants of the vehicle.
Armed 'citizen' appears trying to help, is ordered to the ground (with a firearm).
Cops recognize 'citizen' as a cop, tell him to get up and to assist.
Newly arriving officer, aware only that the cops were arresting suspects that had shot at them, sees an armed 'suspect' get up and approach with a gun'
Newly arriving officer fires, thinking it is a suspect, approaching cops with a gun.

Does that sound like the scenario as it played out?

No, as he was shot in the arm.
No mention he was on the ground when the Officer arrived.
I think you may have missed this???

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-top-stories_pn-offduty-1255pm:homepage/story

An off-duty officer who lives nearby heard the commotion, grabbed his service pistol and headed to the scene to assist his fellow officers. He arrived as the other officers were carrying out the arrest.

The other officers ordered the off-duty officer to the ground, then recognized him as a fellow policeman and told him to stand up and walk toward them.

As he approached, another officer arrived and shot the off-duty officer in the arm, “apparently not recognizing” him, police told the Associated Press.
 
No, as he was shot in the arm.
No mention he was on the ground when the Officer arrived.
I think you may have missed this???

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-top-stories_pn-offduty-1255pm:homepage/story
I included all of that in the scenario I posted. Is it possible the officer that shot him LEGITIMATELY thought the suspect that was on the ground with a gun got up and started approaching the cops or did he just shoot because he was black, and hey...any chance to shoot a black guy.

I'm not excusing anything...I am just trying to see the scenario in an unbiased manner. I think its rather reasonable to see this is as piss poor communication by officers on the site and a really big (inexcusable) mistake.
 
The stuff some people will bend over backwards to defend is nuts. We can now have cops be shot simply because they are seen as a threat by somebody who apparently didn't have all of the facts.


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You arent suggesting I am defending or excusing the shooting are you?
 
I included all of that in the scenario I posted. Is it possible the officer that shot him LEGITIMATELY thought the suspect that was on the ground with a gun got up and started approaching the cops or did he just shoot because he was black, and hey...any chance to shoot a black guy.

I'm not excusing anything...I am just trying to see the scenario in an unbiased manner. I think its rather reasonable to see this is as piss poor communication by officers on the site and a really big (inexcusable) mistake.

I read it differently, thus my reply.
 
You arent suggesting I am defending or excusing the shooting are you?

You're desperately trying to ignore what I actually said. Was this cop a threat?


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Fox News:

Black off-duty St. Louis officer shot by white officer | Fox News

The off-duty officer heard the commotion from his home nearby and rushed to the scene with his department-issued weapon. Two officers ordered the off-duty officer to the ground, but then recognized him and told him to stand up and walk toward them. As he was doing so, another officer arrived and shot the off-duty officer "apparently not recognizing" him, police said.

The officer who shot the off-duty officer is 36 years old and has been with the department more than eight years.

Officer is cleared by two other officers, fourth officer arrives, no idea what is going on, shoots black officer. What did he use to determine that this guy was a threat that the other two people didn't have? Why did he determine him to be a threat when two other officers did not? We have a precise statistic on how many officers thought this guy was a threat, and proof that the fourth officer did not have all of the facts when making his decision, but there are people here still defending him.

Let the pretzel logic begin.

:lol:
 
Fox News:

Black off-duty St. Louis officer shot by white officer | Fox News



Officer is cleared by two other officers, fourth officer arrives, no idea what is going on, shoots black officer. What did he use to determine that this guy was a threat that the other two people didn't have? Why did he determine him to be a threat when two other officers did not? We have a precise statistic on how many officers thought this guy was a threat, and proof that the third officer did not have all of the facts when making his decision, but there are people here still defending him.

Let the pretzel logic begin.

:lol:

That is because the shooter believed that all blacks are bad criminals and it is OK to shoot them.

That belief is absolutely shared by all the defenders of the shooter cop on DP.
 
That is because the shooter believed that all blacks are bad criminals and it is OK to shoot them.

That belief is absolutely shared by all the defenders of the shooter cop on DP.

People have been saying for a century that cops are often too rough when it comes to black suspects. Folks have been concern trolling about inner city violence like that excuses the failures of police departments around the US. Now we have an incident where even a law abiding black cop can be thought of as a suspect, and it will be justified by certain folks. The whole thing is absurdly self defeating. They've tried for so long to claim that black persons shot by cops deserved it because they were thugs, or because they had convictions for selling hand cigarettes and were too big.

Now, they are in a situation where it's PRETTY clear that the black person shot posed NO THREAT to the other officers or even the 4th who shot him and they don't know what to do but continue defending and hope nobody will smell the bull****.
 
You're desperately trying to ignore what I actually said. Was this cop a threat?


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Im not desperately trying to do anything. Certainly not avoiding anything. I are you suggesting I am defending or excusing the shooting?
 
Im not desperately trying to do anything. Certainly not avoiding anything. I are you suggesting I am defending or excusing the shooting?

Find a post where I've addressed such a post?
 
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