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Video captures apparent road rage chain reaction crash in California

celticwar17 said:
It would definitely be dangerous behavior that could cause a crash... kicking someones car at like 65 mph? you putting a danger to yourself and everyone around you. I agree that the swerving guy was completely in the wrong too....but the motorcycle guy has almost just as much responsibly on his hands.
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ludin said:
You are not allowed to kick someone's car.
Both the motorcycle and the car drive is in serious trouble.
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Attacking someone with your boot is assault.

Attacking someone with your car is assault with a deadly weapon.

The two are not equivalent.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...le-sparking-road-rage-crash-article-1.3272247

So essentially in the minutes before the video, the car driver was trying to exit the carpool lane and bumped the motorcyclist. He did not fall.

So in retaliation, the motorcyclist catches up to the car and kicks the door which begins the video.

If the car driver knew he bumped the motorcyclist he had a duty to pull over with the motorcyclist and exchange information.

But instead he pulls up to the door of the car and kicks the door.

Which leads me back to was the car driver just surprised and reacted badly and without intent? Or was he intentionally trying to hurt the motorcyclist -and at that speed could be death.

We are back to square one. Why has the motorcyclist not come forward.

Kinda reminds me of the "loud music shooting" case. The shooter claimed self defense and shot a bunch of times into a car...then when about his way as if nothing happened. Anything he says when he is tracked down after than point is tainted with leaving the scene and not contacting police.
 
Quag said:
Guy tries to kill you with his car and ends up totalling the car. Hmm you think maybe the already angry road rage car guy might just be even angrier? Does the car guy have a gun, knife or other weapon? After all He already tried to kill the biker once he might try again and succeed.
Not stopping was the smart move here.
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Then why did he not go to the police when he saw the accident?
 
Absentglare said:
Attacking someone with your boot is assault.

Attacking someone with your car is assault with a deadly weapon.

The two are not equivalent.
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One could argue doing dangerous maneuvers like kicking a car at 65 mph , is similar
 
year2late said:
Are we sure that is what he did?
I guess I am just trying to figure out what I would do if someone kicked my car on the freeway.
If the car driver really did try to swerve into the motorcyclist that is as close to attempted murder than a simple traffic accident.
I am curious why the driver of the motorcycle did not report to the CHP. He hightailed it out of there...no way could he have not known what happened.
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No I'm not sure, it just looked that way assuming they were bickering, road rage can involve insane violence for sure.
But yeah, the cops asked as well, that if he swerved accidentally after being (scared of the kick?!), then the biker could have caused the accident, so yeah, either way.
I think without other evidence, there probably is reasonable doubt the guy swerved to try and hit him intentionally, and I suppose that's what matters.


celticwar17 said:
One could argue doing dangerous maneuvers like kicking a car at 65 mph , is similar
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Kick a car with a boot, is similar to assault with a deadly weapon. You're going with that.
 
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celticwar17 said:
One could argue doing dangerous maneuvers like kicking a car at 65 mph , is similar
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The motorcyclists kick jeopardized his own motorcycle's stability overwhelmingly more so than the car.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The only way that could conceivably be the case is if, just before the video started recording, the motorcyclist had pointed a gun at him.
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That's not the only way.
 
apdst said:
That's not the only way.
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It's the only way I can think of but that might just be my failure of imagination. What possible scenarios would you propose?
 
Redress said:
For those like me who have used up their WaPo page views for the month, here is the video at another source: Dramatic video shows alleged road rage incident on California highway - ABC News

I am not sure who is more stupid, the motorcyclist kicking at a car while driving down the highway, or the car for trying to swerve into and hit the motorcyclist. The poor pickup who was minding his own business and ends up flipping hopefully sues the **** out of the other two.
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If you have Google Chrome you can use the "open incognito window" when you've used up your page views. I just discovered this little trick myself and thought I'd share. :)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
It's the only way I can think of but that might just be my failure of imagination. What possible scenarios would you propose?
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If a dude on a motorcycle (or a car) came up along side you and kicked your car, made verbal threats, etc. would you feel the need to defend yourself?

Have you ever seen one of these bullwhips and do you know what it's for?
 

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year2late said:
Oh, I get that...even said as much....but then you contact the CHP or police IMMEDIATLY when you are safely away from the situation. The story says they are still trying to find him.
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Yes definitely make the call afterwards
 
year2late said:
Then why did he not go to the police when he saw the accident?
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Only the biker can answer that, I would say we have to wait and see but usually these things never have a follow-up in the media
 
Mach said:
I'm also not allowed to double park. But if you drive your car into my house to teach me a lesson, I think it's pretty clear you're bat-**** crazy.
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This has nothing to do with what I said.
 
Absentglare said:
Attacking someone with your boot is assault.

Attacking someone with your car is assault with a deadly weapon.

The two are not equivalent.
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They will both equal jail time in this case. As I said both drivers are in major trouble.
Nothing you said refutes this.
 
ludin said:
They will both equal jail time in this case. As I said both drivers are in major trouble.
Nothing you said refutes this.
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Nah the boot doesn't really matter. Crimes are not all equivalent.
 
Absentglare said:
Nah the boot doesn't really matter. Crimes are not all equivalent.
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Actually the boot does matter but you can't refute what I said so you as usual make up nonsense.
You are not allowed to kick someone car. You are also not allowed to leave the scene of an accident.
Not to mention reckless endangerment.

No one said all crimes are equal that is a strawman argument because you can't refute what I said.
Both the cycle and the driver are in major trouble as they both should be.
 
ludin said:
Actually the boot does matter but you can't refute what I said so you as usual make up nonsense.
You are not allowed to kick someone car. You are also not allowed to leave the scene of an accident.
Not to mention reckless endangerment.

No one said all crimes are equal that is a strawman argument because you can't refute what I said.
Both the cycle and the driver are in major trouble as they both should be.
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I don't think you know what an accident is if you think that intentionally swerving toward a motorcycle qualifies.

Fact is, once the motorcyclist was intentionally attacked, they were justified in fleeing.
 
year2late said:
It would be interesting to see what happened before the kick.

If someone kicked my car on the freeway.....it could catch me off guard and I may react badly to it (not out of anger, out of surprise).

I am having a tough time believing that the driver would intentionally try to harm the motorcyclist intentionally like that. Cut off, I understand....swerve into on the freeway? Might as well be attempted murder.

But then again, I am in the camp...let the asshole drivers be assholes. Can't fix 'em, just stay out of their way,
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It appeared to me the car was beginning a swerve as the kick was administered. Clearly the two were arguing and that spat led to anger; it could be said they both lost it at the same time.

On behalf of the biker, I road most of my life and there have been numerous times when I wanted a grenade launcher because of the stupid **** car drivers pull. I will NEVER travel through Omaha again in my life.
 
Absentglare said:
I don't think you know what an accident is if you think that intentionally swerving toward a motorcycle qualifies.

Fact is, once the motorcyclist was intentionally attacked, they were justified in fleeing.
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Continue to make up nonsense you have nothing just as you had in your first post.
You don't even know the video.

The guy on the cycle drove up and kicked the guys car first.
It doesn't matter both are in major trouble and nothing you have said refutes it.
 
ludin said:
Continue to make up nonsense you have nothing just as you had in your first post.
You don't even know the video.

The guy on the cycle drove up and kicked the guys car first.
It doesn't matter both are in major trouble and nothing you have said refutes it.
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I agree that they both did something wrong. I don't agree that they're both in major trouble.
 
Absentglare said:
I agree that they both did something wrong. I don't agree that they're both in major trouble.
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your opinion is meaningless.

if you would do a bit a research in the matter you would know that both are in major trouble.

1. in CA the motorcyclist is guilty of a hit and run and leaving the scene of an accident.
kick his car is a misdemeanor by itself.
reckless driving will add to the charge and well as reckless endangerment.

he is looking at possible jail time along with the other driver for the sideswipe.

not to mention the owner of the truck they both caused damage to in their stupidity.
you should try looking up facts next time.
 
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JANFU said:
Stupid to kick a car, but stupid can also be lucky as well.
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I've been riding for years. The perspective of the camera lens we are seeing through makes it difficult to impossible to tell distance and relationship between the bike and the car. My guess is, however useless it was, it was likely a defensive move by the bike rider.

In the same predicament, I would have braked hard to get behind the bike. Everybody knows a motorcyclist accomplishes nothing by kicking an adjacent auto. He was likely in the blindspot of the car driver, and the car came toward him. I work very hard to stay out of blindspots.

I follow the advice from an old motorcycle cop friend of mine--motorcycles should move through traffic when able, and never match speeds with cars beside you. Always advance or retreat. I try to stay about 5-10 MPH faster than cars if possible.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It appeared to me the car was beginning a swerve as the kick was administered. Clearly the two were arguing and that spat led to anger; it could be said they both lost it at the same time.

On behalf of the biker, I road most of my life and there have been numerous times when I wanted a grenade launcher because of the stupid **** car drivers pull. I will NEVER travel through Omaha again in my life.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m-crash:homepage/story&utm_term=.25598992241e

I am not seeing what you are talking about.

The motorcyclist clearly is veering into the car to reach the car for the kick.

I have no clue what happened before...but on this interaction the motorcyclist initiated the interaction..

What I would really be interested is the cars swerve. Did he swerve towards the motorcyclist in retribution or did he react badly to being caught off guard by the kick. I can see one as easily as the other.

But driving off after and not calling the police when he felt safe? When he is found he will be amazingly less credible because of his behavior.
 
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