Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s

JANFU said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ner-high_russiaobama-banner-7a:homepage/story


More and more we see intel on Russian interference in the Presidential election

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ssia-hacking-timeline/?utm_term=.ada5fd8f769b

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Love the headlines. had it been a republican it would be "so and so refused to stop russian hacking, colluded with russia in election hacking".

STUT said:

For all the spectacle surrounding the Trump-Russia investigations, its unfortunate that this story has kind of taken a back seat. Even more disturbing is that many people still dont believe and deny that Russia directly worked to sway the election in favor of a particular candidate. Trump has many faults, and I doubt he personally colluded with Russia, but the lack of any sort of pubic response to the Russian thing for the Trump administration is both sad and suspicious

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The issue is, the evidence. where is the actual evidence. believing liars, who have a history of lying because you like the narrative, does not arrive one at the truth. Where is the raw data that you, I, we the people can look at and decide if we believe the charges have weight. Stories like this say nothing other than imo, now a back way to convice the true believers there was collusion.

The problem is, you have no ACTUAL evidence.

ReverendHellh0und said:

The issue is, the evidence. where is the actual evidence. believing liars, who have a history of lying because you like the narrative, does not arrive one at the truth. Where is the raw data that you, I, we the people can look at and decide if we believe the charges have weight. Stories like this say nothing other than imo, now a back way to convice the true believers there was collusion.

The problem is, you have no ACTUAL evidence.

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I swear, if Trump actually told Russia to influence the election by hacking publicly, you'd still argue he didn't do it.

He treats his base like idiots, and they seem to oblige by acting as expected.

Because, of course.....

Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton's email - POLITICO

Threegoofs said:

I swear, if Trump actually told Russia to influence the election by hacking publicly, you'd still argue he didn't do it.

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That's ****ing stupid, bro. I own and run and IT security management company. Computer security is what I do. All I am asking for is the actual evidence of the russian government hacking the election as is claimed as well as the evidence of collussion, what exploits did they use, how do they get back to the kremlin ordering it? The media counts on you being gullible, but being arrogant about that gullibility is all on you.

He treats his base like idiots, and they seem to oblige by acting as expected.

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The idiots are the sheep who keep believing the media when they have time and time again been proven liars.

Because, of course.....

Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton's email - POLITICO

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That is straight up NYC sarcasm. Do you really think that him making such a comment is evidence of collusion with russia to hack the election? The media needs you. You serve them well. /facepalm

ReverendHellh0und said:

That's ****ing stupid, bro. I own and run and IT security management company. Computer security is what I do. All I am asking for is the actual evidence of the russian government hacking the election as is claimed as well as the evidence of collussion, what exploits did they use, how do they get back to the kremlin ordering it? The media counts on you being gullible, but being arrogant about that gullibility is all on you.




The idiots are the sheep who keep believing the media when they have time and time again been proven liars.




That is straight up NYC sarcasm. Do you really think that him making such a comment is evidence of collusion with russia to hack the election? The media needs you. You serve them well. /facepalm

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Like I said. The guy could announce it publicly and people would fall all over themselves pretending he didn't.

As far as the hacking, it sure sounds like all intelligence services believe it was Russia. We don't have details because it's intelligence, although we can expect Trump to accidentally tell the public or Russia any time now.

Funny how the guy who claimed thousands of muslims were protesting 911 in the streets can call people ' proven liars'!

Threegoofs said:

Like I said. The guy could announce it publicly and people would fall all over themselves pretending he didn't.

As far as the hacking, it sure sounds like all intelligence services believe it was Russia. We don't have details because it's intelligence, although we can expect Trump to accidentally tell the public or Russia any time now.

Funny how the guy who claimed thousands of muslims were protesting 911 in the streets can call people ' proven liars'!

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The same intelligence services who told you they were not spying on you? That intelligence?


You have zero actual evidence, are you satisfied with "it's true but you can't see it cause it's classified"?


I'd explain the common technology and exploits used, and how one could trace to certain places, and why that would not in itself be sufficient. But I can tell that would be way way above your paygrade. You stick to "cause they told me". that's more your speed, kid.

ReverendHellh0und said:

The same intelligence services who told you they were not spying on you? That intelligence?


You have zero actual evidence, are you satisfied with "it's true but you can't see it cause it's classified"?


I'd explain the common technology and exploits used, and how one could trace to certain places, and why that would not in itself be sufficient. But I can tell that would be way way above your paygrade. You stick to "cause they told me". that's more your speed, kid.

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So what you're saying is you dont believe the intelligence services, which apparently have evidence solid enough that Jeff Sessions and Trump believe them?

Seems like a good reason to do a full scale investigation, but it sounds like you're scared of what they'll find....which makes sense, since your boy basically has so much smoke around him surrounding this only a ridiculous partisan could pretend there's definitely no fire there. - no sirree! :lamo

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So what you're saying is you dont believe the intelligence services, which apparently have evidence solid enough that Jeff Sessions and Trump believe them?

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No, I don't believe the Deep State. It needs complete reform. There are example after example of the deep state lying to you. Why do you believe them when it suits your hyper-partisan agenda?

Seems like a good reason to do a full scale investigation, but it sounds like you're scared of what they'll find....which makes sense, since your boy basically has so much smoke around him surrounding this only a ridiculous partisan could pretend there's definitely no fire there. - no sirree! :lamo

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My boy?

I like some of what trump has done, dislike much of what he's done. He's not "my boy". Just because I am not running around like a fool, screaming at trump supporters every little stupid thing the media tells me to, doesn't make him "my boy". It's called "objective thinking", kid. You should try it sometime instead of mouthfoaming over trump because you were told to.