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Republican Karen Handel Wins Georgia House Special Election

Cigar said:
Republicans have been doing it for decades, it's about time The Democrats start spending like Republicans.
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If you believe that, if it makes you happy... OK. Anything to pacify the Leftists (except having them win)... but, if you want to have your bee bonnet smacked a little... read on:

You do recall a certain Barack Hussein Obama not agreeing to spending limits, though he said he was for them? Typical Demokrat.

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
- Barack Obama, fall 2007

"We've made the decision not to participate in the public financing system for the general election."
- Barack Obama, June 19, 2008

So much for that eh?

Demokrats are against money when the other guy has more, or access to more.
 
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Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.

Republicans already control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They've already won.
 
I am reading the excellent book by Graham Moore LAST DAYS OF NIGHT which is a novelization of the battle between Thomas Edison and George Westinghouse in the late 1880's over the light bulb and electrical power. One of things that I found fascinating was the way Edison developed the light bulb. The first thing he did was to take all the previous efforts at creating electrical light and had his team of geniuses exhaustingly pore over them, study them, examine them in detail to find out why they did not work... why they fell short of the goal ... in other words - why they failed. Only when Edison was able to catalogue what not to do was he then able to approach the problem of what he should do and how to do it.

It is an interesting approach.

Yes, the Democrats lost last night... as many expected they would in a heavy GOP district gerrymandering for just that purpose. That could hardly be a surprise. And the South Carolina result even less of a surprise than Georgia. So now they are 0 and 4 in these Trump replacement elections in the House. And a loss is a loss is a loss.

The big showdown for Congress was not last night. It is in 16 months - November of 2018. And if the Dems are smart - and that is not always a good assumption to make - they can learn some things about what they failed to do right in these elections so that they can indeed do things right in 2018. And just like the failures of many others helped Edison to succeed, so can the losses of these four districts help the Dems to take the House back in the Fall of 2018.
 
Gill said:
Looks like they already are, and have been for quite awhile:

Ossoff: $22.2 million

Handel: $3.5 million

Now, do you want to discuss the Dem expenditures v Rep expenditures in the presidential race last year??
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Nope, didn't cost me a single penny ... how about you, what did it cost you and why do you care?
 
Serenity said:
Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.

Republicans already control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They've already won.
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This was SUPPOSED to show that ' the resistance' was taking Trump down.
 
Serenity said:
Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.

Republicans already control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They've already won.
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You can never win too much, especially when the Socialists are the opposition. If it were a pro-American party it would be tolerable, but because they're not... well... winning is everything.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
An honest appraisal from a DP Left of Center Poster -

The District 6 race in Georgia held more interest than Mulvaney's former seat in South Carolina. Ossoff, only 30 years old, does not live in the district. He had never run for elected office before. He ran in a district that has elected GOP candidates, without exception, for like 4 decades.
Yeah, I had my hopes up for an upset. I didn't bet money on it. Well before the MSM called the race for Handel, I had already muted the sound on my TV. I laugh at how effectively this tempered my disappointment.

Just as a reminder, Obama ran for a Congressional seat in Illinois. None of us remember U.S. Representative Obama.... grin grin... because he lost. Instead, we remember Senator Obama and President Obama.

Congratulations to all of you who rooted for Handel. I happen to have a best friend with that last name, so therein lied another smile!
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Ouch, I did not know that. If I lived in the district that alone would cause me to not vote for him, no matter how much better qualified he might be.
 
Serenity said:
Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.

Republicans already control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They've already won.
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It's symbolic of whether Left/Democratic voters are willing to put their votes where their "resistance" is.
 
Cigar said:
Nope, didn't cost me a single penny ... how about you, what did it cost you and why do you care?
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What the hell does this have to do with what I posted. No one said it cost either of us a penny.
 
Serenity said:
Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.

Republicans already control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They've already won.
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There isn't a lot of real significance in this race, but it does prove two things. Simply funneling massive amounts of money into an election doesn't necessarily work, and Trump is not so unpopular that Democrats will be able to take over deep red seats. They may have been two things most people already knew, but it is a necessary defeat to hopefully teach Democrats something.
 
zimmer said:
If you believe that, if it makes you happy... OK. Anything to pacify the Leftists (except having them win)... but, if you want to have your bee bonnet smacked a little... read on:

You do recall a certain Barack Hussein Obama not agreeing to spending limits, though he said he was for them? Typical Demokrat.

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
- Barack Obama, fall 2007

"We've made the decision not to participate in the public financing system for the general election."
- Barack Obama, June 19, 2008

So much for that eh?

Demokrats are against money when the other guy has more, or access to more.
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None of this shows up in my personal bank account, how about you?

I don't care if they chose to spend $1 or $Billions of Dollars of Campaign Donations ... my Vote is Free and doesn't cost me a penny. I just like seeing More and More Democrats with a wider diverse base Voting. Sooner or later, Republicans will run out of ways to Gerrymander Demographics and Suppress Voting.

Tick-Tock :mrgreen:
 
radcen said:
Ouch, I did not know that. If I lived in the district that alone would cause me to not vote for him, no matter how much better qualified he might be.
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Handel spoke to news reporters after she voted. She pointed to her "I Voted" sticker and said that Ossoff couldn't get one.

Pretty sad when you can't even vote for yourself.
 
haymarket said:
I am reading the excellent book by Graham Moore LAST DAYS OF NIGHT which is a novelization of the battle between Thomas Edison and George Westinghouse in the late 1880's over the light bulb and electrical power. One of things that I found fascinating was the way Edison developed the light bulb. The first thing he did was to take all the previous efforts at creating electrical light and had his team of geniuses exhaustingly pore over them, study them, examine them in detail to find out why they did not work... why they fell short of the goal ... in other words - why they failed. Only when Edison was able to catalogue what not to do was he then able to approach the problem of what he should do and how to do it.

It is an interesting approach.

Yes, the Democrats lost last night... as many expected they would in a heavy GOP district gerrymandering for just that purpose. That could hardly be a surprise. And the South Carolina result even less of a surprise than Georgia. So now they are 0 and 4 in these Trump replacement elections in the House. And a loss is a loss is a loss.

The big showdown for Congress was not last night. It is in 16 months - November of 2018. And if the Dems are smart - and that is not always a good assumption to make - they can learn some things about what they failed to do right in these elections so that they can indeed do things right in 2018. And just like the failures of many others helped Edison to succeed, so can the losses of these four districts help the Dems to take the House back in the Fall of 2018.
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In a sense you are correct, but party rhetorical spin aside, the Dems really needed this victory. More so than they'll admit publicly. Politics is just as much about perception as anything else. And they need the perception that they are 1) still relevant and in touch, and 2) that Trump and the Reps are self-destructing. They got neither here.
 
Serenity said:
Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.
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There wasn't any. There never was. It was a colossal waste of money -- money that poured in from people who wanted to believe it meant something it never did.

This really is what happened.
 
haymarket said:
I am reading the excellent book by Graham Moore LAST DAYS OF NIGHT which is a novelization of the battle between Thomas Edison and George Westinghouse in the late 1880's over the light bulb and electrical power. One of things that I found fascinating was the way Edison developed the light bulb. The first thing he did was to take all the previous efforts at creating electrical light and had his team of geniuses exhaustingly pore over them, study them, examine them in detail to find out why they did not work... why they fell short of the goal ... in other words - why they failed. Only when Edison was able to catalogue what not to do was he then able to approach the problem of what he should do and how to do it.

It is an interesting approach.

Yes, the Democrats lost last night... as many expected they would in a heavy GOP district gerrymandering for just that purpose. That could hardly be a surprise. And the South Carolina result even less of a surprise than Georgia. So now they are 0 and 4 in these Trump replacement elections in the House. And a loss is a loss is a loss.

The big showdown for Congress was not last night. It is in 16 months - November of 2018. And if the Dems are smart - and that is not always a good assumption to make - they can learn some things about what they failed to do right in these elections so that they can indeed do things right in 2018. And just like the failures of many others helped Edison to succeed, so can the losses of these four districts help the Dems to take the House back in the Fall of 2018.
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Too bad Demokrats don;t look at all the failed socialists schemes in America and around the world and finally come to the conclusion... they fail mankind. They create misery, divisiveness and disharmony. They waste money. They enslave people.

Yes, we need a really tiny safety net for those who truly cannot care for themselves. The handicapped.

Demokrats will never accept it, just look at them scream when freezes to programs occur, or modest cuts. They won't accept such an analysis because it would erode their power completely.

The Demokrats best friends, as noted by Ivey to Podesta is a "compliant and unaware" electorate... aka stupid, ignorant, suckers for class warfare and reliant on government.

That's anti Edison.
 
Gill said:
What the hell does this have to do with what I posted. No one said it cost either of us a penny.
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I answer questions the way I choose to answer them, does that bother you that you can't pick my responses for me?
 
MrPeanut said:
There isn't a lot of real significance in this race, but it does prove two things. Simply funneling massive amounts of money into an election doesn't necessarily work, and Trump is not so unpopular that Democrats will be able to take over deep red seats. They may have been two things most people already knew, but it is a necessary defeat to hopefully teach Democrats something.
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I've said a few things now:

1)28-30% support is where Trump is weak. 40% is perfectly good for him as well as the unity of the Republican party.
2)It will be up to Democrats to vote Trump and the Republican congress out, not for Republicans to pull support.

Now one could of course point out that if enough Republicans had simply not shown up to vote yesterday, that would mathematically have handed a victory to Ossoff. But that would be missing the point.
 
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Serenity said:
Genuine question here from a foreigner who would like some feedback to understand the significance of this and what difference it may make.

Republicans already control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They've already won.
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This race was played up as a potential win for D's in a supposedly deep R area (it's not really deep R).
There was a lot of talk and predictions the D would win, but he didn't.

Now the race was closer than usual, but it's a special election (lower turnout usually), the R candidate was not very good and the D candidate was pretty strong comparatively.
Also, a lot of out of state D's threw a ton of money towards this campaign.
 
Fenton said:
Republican Karen Handel wins Georgia House special election

Republican Karen Handel wins Georgia House special election - CNNPolitics.com

" Atlanta (CNN)Republican Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff in a high-stakes special election for a Georgia House seat on Tuesday, denying Democrats their first major victory of the Donald Trump era.

Handel bested Ossoff by 5 percentage points in the most expensive House race in history.
It was a much closer margin than the 20-plus point wins typically posted by former Rep. Tom Price -- whose departure to become Trump's health and human services secretary created the vacancy.
But it wasn't what Democrats who pumped $23 million into Ossoff's campaign so desperately craved: A win."
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If democrats make the same gains nationwide as they did here, they'll be on track to win 70+ seats in 2018.

Also, to those noting about how much money the Dems spent - let's not forget about repubs! Think it's important to note that outside groups spent a hell of a lot on this election, $19M for Handel, $7.5m for Ossoff. THey had to spend a hell of a lot to 'secure' a supposedly safe district. source: https://twitter.com/mjbeckel/status/877293833096220672

Dems didn't win the seat back but I'm categorizing this 'optimistic' loss.
 
Cigar said:
I answer questions the way I choose to answer them, does that bother you that you can't pick my responses for me?
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You can answer any way you like, but all it shows is that you can't intelligently respond to the post you quoted.

By the way, you misspelled Illinois in case you haven't noticed.
 
Cigar said:
None of this shows up in my personal bank account, how about you?

I don't care if they chose to spend $1 or $Billions of Dollars of Campaign Donations ... my Vote is Free and doesn't cost me a penny. I just like seeing More and More Democrats with a wider diverse base Voting. Sooner or later, Republicans will run out of ways to Gerrymander Demographics and Suppress Voting.

Tick-Tock :mrgreen:
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Why should it show in my personal bank account?

You made the claim D's are finally spending like R's... and I put that myth to bed with none other than that grand wizard of a Socialist... Barack Hussein Obama.

Gerrymandering isn't only an R thing.

Where did R's suppress voting? Did they co-opt the New Black Panthers?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This race was played up as a potential win for D's in a supposedly deep R area (it's not really deep R).
There was a lot of talk and predictions the D would win, but he didn't.

Now the race was closer than usual, but it's a special election (lower turnout usually), the R candidate was not very good and the D candidate was pretty strong comparatively.
Also, a lot of out of state D's threw a ton of money towards this campaign.
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Turnout in #GA06 2nd round was 259,622, up from 193,981 in 1st round. Incredibly, higher than the 210,504 turnout in 2014 general election.

Too early to call it a trend - but it seems the more people turn out, the better Dems do.
 
Gill said:
You can answer any way you like, but all it shows is that you can't intelligently respond to the post you quoted.

By the way, you misspelled Illinois in case you haven't noticed.
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Thanks' I'm glad I have your approval ...

... and thanks again for the spell check. It's good to know someone cares. ;)
 
Cigar said:
Republicans have been doing it for decades, it's about time The Democrats start spending like Republicans.
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Money alone isnt going to cut it. Ossoff took in 22 million, and I think that set records for House race.

The Democrats are having message problems and " **** Trump " and 24/7/365 Russian collusion conspiracy theories arent going to cut it either.
 
Fenton said:
Republican Karen Handel wins Georgia House special election

Republican Karen Handel wins Georgia House special election - CNNPolitics.com

" Atlanta (CNN)Republican Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff in a high-stakes special election for a Georgia House seat on Tuesday, denying Democrats their first major victory of the Donald Trump era.

Handel bested Ossoff by 5 percentage points in the most expensive House race in history.
It was a much closer margin than the 20-plus point wins typically posted by former Rep. Tom Price -- whose departure to become Trump's health and human services secretary created the vacancy.
But it wasn't what Democrats who pumped $23 million into Ossoff's campaign so desperately craved: A win."
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It was worse than that they lost all 5 special elections.
That is huge.
 
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