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17-year-old Muslim girl assaulted and killed after leaving Virginia mosque

CaptainCourtesy said:
He seems to be calling you out on making really dumb partisan hack trollbait comments that do nothing to enhance the thread and then hypocritically complaining about others. Would you like to address that?
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Liberals are the ones who abandoned the concept of right and wrong for the sake of identity politics. Liberals are the ones who were rioting to defend the deportation of an illegal immigrant who was guilty of committing multiple acts of identity theft.

Such is the state of their sense of justice: they excuse criminal actions depending on a person's identity. The moral conundrum is one of their own creation. Had to cross out "moral" there...
 
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reinoe said:
Liberals are the ones who abandoned the concept of right and wrong for the sake of identity politics. Liberals are the ones who were rioting to defend the deportation of an illegal immigrant who was guilty of committing multiple acts of identity theft.

Such is the state of their sense of justice: they excuse criminal actions depending on a person's identity. The moral conundrum is one of their own creation. Had to cross out "moral" there...
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Are you talking about this?

Phoenix station KTAR reported that she was arrested in 2008 during a workplace raid and was later convicted of identity theft for possessing false papers.

Despite her conviction, she was allowed to live in Arizona and checked in with ICE officials every six months.
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Protesters arrested following deportation of illegal immigrant | New York Post
 
reinoe said:
Yep that's the one, but there have been others too.
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Well, this is no big deal. ICE was aware of her "terrible crime" and did nothing to her but make her report in every six months. And the protest was mostly peaceful, not a riot by "liberals".
 
She was finally deported because Trump is president now, not that terrorist sympathizing anarchist Barack Obama.
devildavid said:
Well, this is no big deal. ICE was aware of her "terrible crime" and did nothing to her but make her report in every six months. And the protest was mostly peaceful, not a riot by "liberals".
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It was so peaceful that 7 people had to be arrested.

For comparison's sake, 5 people in Berkeley were arrested while protesting Ann Coulter.
Berkeley Police Arrest 5 In Coulter Protests; No Damage Reported « CBS San Francisco

If you think the people in Arizona were peaceful then you must think that the Hodgekinson assassination attempt was just a "reasonable disagreement".
 
reinoe said:
It was so peaceful that 7 people had to be arrested.

For comparison's sake, 5 people in Berkeley were arrested while protesting Ann Coulter.
Berkeley Police Arrest 5 In Coulter Protests; No Damage Reported « CBS San Francisco

If you think the people in Arizona were peaceful then you must think that the Hodgekinson assassination attempt was just a "reasonable disagreement".
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Nice false equivalent. No, if I don't consider 7 arrests to constitute a riot it does not mean that I think an assassination attempt was a "reasonable disagreement". The news report said that most protesters were peaceful in Arizona. Do you have any credible evidence to the contrary? Were you there?
 
reinoe said:
With all the talk about hateful discourse taking place in the public sphere, I can't help but notice that it's still the liberals who can't...stop making personal attacks. Liberals have given up altogether on discussing the issues and have instead resorted to assassination attempts. I wonder if I'll be next.
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reinoe said:
She was finally deported because Trump is president now, not that terrorist sympathizing anarchist Barack Obama.


It was so peaceful that 7 people had to be arrested.

For comparison's sake, 5 people in Berkeley were arrested while protesting Ann Coulter.
Berkeley Police Arrest 5 In Coulter Protests; No Damage Reported « CBS San Francisco

If you think the people in Arizona were peaceful then you must think that the Hodgekinson assassination attempt was just a "reasonable disagreement".
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What were you saying about personal attacks?
 
devildavid said:
Nice false equivalent. No, if I don't consider 7 arrests to constitute a riot it does not mean that I think an assassination attempt was a "reasonable disagreement". The news report said that most protesters were peaceful in Arizona. Do you have any credible evidence to the contrary? Were you there?
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I get it. If the media says it's so, regardless of what actually happened, then the media is right. You should just say you believe whatever the media tells you regardless of your own lying eyes.
 
reinoe said:
I get it. If the media says it's so, regardless of what actually happened, then the media is right. You should just say you believe whatever the media tells you regardless of your own lying eyes.
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Did you witness it? How do you know what actually happened? Were you an eyewitness? Were you there?
 
Can people in this thread stop with the bull**** and discuss the fact that this piece of **** illegal immigrant killed one of our own citizens? A person that should not be in the country caused the death of a 17 year old American. I understand why those on the left have been deflecting for 24 pages, but my god, stop attacking Muslims in the thread about an American Muslim being brutally killed and potentially raped by this garbage.
 
reinoe said:
Liberals are the ones who abandoned the concept of right and wrong for the sake of identity politics. Liberals are the ones who were rioting to defend the deportation of an illegal immigrant who was guilty of committing multiple acts of identity theft.

Such is the state of their sense of justice: they excuse criminal actions depending on a person's identity. The moral conundrum is one of their own creation. Had to cross out "moral" there...
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In other words, you have no intention of addressing the dumb right wing partisan hack trollbait comments that you made that do nothing to enhance the thread and at the same time hypocritically complaining. In fact, your plan seems to be to make MORE dumb right wing partisan hack trollbait comments that have no basis in reality. Glad you are staying consistent.
 
ajn678 said:
Can people in this thread stop with the bull**** and discuss the fact that this piece of **** illegal immigrant killed one of our own citizens? A person that should not be in the country caused the death of a 17 year old American. I understand why those on the left have been deflecting for 24 pages, but my god, stop attacking Muslims in the thread about an American Muslim being brutally killed and potentially raped by this garbage.
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The only people attacking the American citizen are the liberals. It's the right-wingers who are pointing out that illegal immigrants need to be out of this country and it's the liberals who prefer to defend illegal immigrants who commit crimes.
 
What evidently passed unremarked was the reference to the victim's religion. The news reported she was Muslim and had just left prayers at some mosque when abducted. The media rarely mentions the religious faith of victims or perpetrators of crimes, they didn't mention the perpetrator's religious affiliation here. The fact the victim was Muslim seems to have been a focus in the media's coverage, this was portrayed as a hate crime that targeted the victim for her religious beliefs. Apparently none of that is true, but the media's narrative continues unabated (that Muslims are increasingly the victims of "hate crimes" -due to Trump's anti-Muslim policies as evident in those failed executive orders). Local police think this was a "road rage" incident, nothing to do with purported Trump-inspired Mulism hatred.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Um, what?

For starters, what Socialist party are you referring to? The Social Democrat Party? The Communist Party? The Centre Party? The German National People's Party? The German's People Party?
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Any and all of them. They couldn't get a coalition large enough to stave off the more culturally conservative parties.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, we know. No one is claiming otherwise. That's your straw man. The point we're all missing is why it matters that Hitler came to power during a different economic crisis - the Great Depression.

As to your questions, 'what happened' and how it relates to this discussion is your job. I have no idea what you're referring to or why it's important. If you'd like to fill us in, great, but I'm not going to try to guess your point.
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I'm saying that it was more than just an economic issue that brought Hitler to power. If you ignore the cultural degradation that happened in Germany, you really miss the point as to why the Nazis came to power.
 
Cisero said:
The dude drove 100 miles to target a Mosque that was, at the time, actively linked to terrorist organizations.
It seems planned to me.
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This is horribly upsetting. Why are we putting up with a mosque that has active links to terrorism?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You do realize that this idiotic presentation of yours is debunked by Pew Research, which shows that a majority of Muslims, when they come to America, plan to and want to adopt American customs and ways of life:



As I always tell you... don't try to present your ridiculous and invalid opinions as facts.
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So you mean 44% don't want to adopt American customs and ways of life? And you don't see a problem with that?

And besides that, what does adopting American customs actually mean to them? Are they going to intermarry and become Christian?
 
devildavid said:
Do you mean the Chinese laborers who built the railroads? Or the Native Americans who built skyscrapers? Or the African slaves who labored on the plantations and created wealth for their owners?
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It's amazing how white men get no credit for their labors.
 
phattonez said:
Any and all of them. They couldn't get a coalition large enough to stave off the more culturally conservative parties.
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Except that's not accurate at all. The Nazis did not rise to power because their cultural stances appealed to Germans more than the left wing parties.
 
devildavid said:
Name some of its unique characteristics and qualities.
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Our total disdain for hypocrisy. The way we root for underdogs. Our sense of personal responsibility. Individualism. Then there is our language, our expectations for politicians and judges, our holidays, etc. Each culture is unique.
 
devildavid said:
What evidence is there that Muslims and other "foreign religions" were not allowed in?
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Naturalization Act of 1790.

And just what the heck is a "foreign religion"? I guess you must be against Christian missionaries spreading their "foreign religion" throughout the globe.
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Far from it. I think that Christianity is a superior religion.
 
devildavid said:
So you tell us what you think represents American culture. Commerce is certainly a big part.
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I don't deny that this is part of it. Like I said, "I have a problem when our culture is reduced to nothing but McDonald's and Coca-cola."
 
devildavid said:
American law also says that legal immigrants who naturalize are Americans in every sense of the word.
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That's what it says now. Laws can be changed.
 
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