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A U.S. aircraft has shot down a Syrian government jet over northern Syria

apdst said:
Syria is a terrorist sponsor. She's always been an enemy of freedom.
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And Saudi Arabia, who is by far and large the world's largest sponsor of terrorism, hasn't?
 
Tigerace117 said:
It means people supported him in order to prevent something which has already happened. And considering that geninuely free elections are something Assad has no intention of allowing.......

But hey, it's easy to support somebody like Assad when you don't actually have to live under him.
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Why is it that you keep up this nonsense even if every one of your claims has been shown to be false?

He is not hated by his people.
He does not mistreat his people.
His people do not want him removed.
He has not used chemical weapons on his own people.
The us is in fact supporting terrorists.

Just stop.
 
Tigerace117 said:
It means people supported him in order to prevent something which has already happened. And considering that geninuely free elections are something Assad has no intention of allowing.......

But hey, it's easy to support somebody like Assad when you don't actually have to live under him.
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Or it means that people support their government rather than support 'rebels' from foreign nations.

Edit: Also none of what you have said so far disproves my evidence that the people support their government.
 
Fishking said:
It's cute that you think that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. Good boy!

That aside, how did it get to this point? It should have been over in a matter of months but no...the U.S. and our proxis in the gulf had to get involved and fund terrorists and extremists pushing the government into greater levels of desperation. Fact is, Assad wouldn't have lasted as long as he has without significant support from actual Syrians, vs foreign extremists that we supported and that flowed into the region. You know who supports Assad? Pretty much all the ethnic and religious minorities. Who is fighting against Assad? Extremists Sunni Muslims and foreign Sunni fighters. Why do the minority groups support Assad? Because they know if Assad goes away they are all going to die.

****...you don't care, though. Well, more like you don't care and you're wholly ignorant, probably willfully so.
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Ah, another believer in the maskirovka. Good job doing the same thing you accuse others of.

Yep, Assad could have had his air force raze every city in the country by now, but us meddling Westerners with our insistence on "human rights" and other "nonsense"......

Assad created this mess through his own actions. Of course the people who'd clung to power and those with nowhere to go--- once again, thanks to Assad's own actions--- would be desperate enough to hitch their wagon to him.

Once again, Assad created the mess. It's his own damn fault his minority in the situation.

And you are so desperate for your boy Putin to keep his foothold in the Med that you'd believe anything.
 
Henrin said:
Why is it that you keep up this nonsense even if every one of your claims has been shown to be false?

He is not hated by his people.
He does not mistreat his people.
His people do not want him removed.
He has not used chemical weapons on his own people.
The us is in fact supporting terrorists.

Just stop.
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You don't want him to be hated by his people. That doesn't mean anything, especially considering, that, you know.....he is.

He does mistreat his people; he bombed his own cities, used chemical weapons on them.....you are just so desperate to support this authoritarian regime of yours.

His people clearly do. They want free elections, buddy, not a strongman.

You declaring that changes nothing about what happened in reality.

Only in Henrin fantasy world.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Or it means that people support their government rather than support 'rebels' from foreign nations.

Edit: Also none of what you have said so far disproves my evidence that the people support their government.
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People wanting a new government does not show support for the old one, sorry buddy.

Ah, another age old lie of the strongman. No, not all the rebels are foreign fighters. Just the ones Assad let get set up back when he decided killing US soldiers in Iraq was a good idea.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah, another believer in the maskirovka. Good job doing the same thing you accuse others of.

Yep, Assad could have had his air force raze every city in the country by now, but us meddling Westerners with our insistence on "human rights" and other "nonsense"......

Assad created this mess through his own actions. Of course the people who'd clung to power and those with nowhere to go--- once again, thanks to Assad's own actions--- would be desperate enough to hitch their wagon to him.

Once again, Assad created the mess. It's his own damn fault his minority in the situation.

And you are so desperate for your boy Putin to keep his foothold in the Med that you'd believe anything.
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Lol...Assad funded extremists? Hmmm...
 
Tigerace117 said:
You don't want him to be hated by his people. That doesn't mean anything, especially considering, that, you know.....he is.
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Except of course he's not.

He does mistreat his people; he bombed his own cities, used chemical weapons on them.....you are just so desperate to support this authoritarian regime of yours.
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Which of course is false and never happened like you say it did.

His people clearly do. They want free elections, buddy, not a strongman.
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Who told you this? Oh right, the US government. Great source of truth.

You declaring that changes nothing about what happened in reality.
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It's a fact that he was shown to not be responsible for the attacks.

Only in Henrin fantasy world.
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In reality, actually.

You know, if I was thinking about joining the military like you are I would be truthful with myself on what the government actually does around the world instead of just believing whatever the government says on things. Chances are you won't be putting your life on the line for a noble cause when in the military. You can believe that is false all you like, but I'm telling you right now that you're wrong.
 
Henrin said:
Except of course he's not.



Which of course is false and never happened like you say it did.



Who told you this? Oh right, the US government. Great source of truth.



It's a fact that he was shown to not be responsible for the attacks.



In reality, actually.

You know, if I was thinking about joining the military like you are I would be truthful with myself on what the government actually does around the world instead of just believing whatever the government says on things.
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Except, of course, he is.

Oh, so now you are claiming he's never conducted air strikes on his cities? There was never any use of chemical weapons? Bull****.

Actually it was Mr. Invisible's link which informed me of that pretty blatantly clear fact.

Assad and his Russian puppet masters claim they didn't.

Nope, just in your fantasy world.

Believing CTer idiocy would be stupid.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
And Saudi Arabia, who is by far and large the world's largest sponsor of terrorism, hasn't?
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Iran and Syria are the two biggest terrorist sponsoring states in the world. But hey, bomb Saudi Arabia, too. I don't care.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yep. He also let them cross the border into Iraq to fight US troops.
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Lol...you mean the group that got out of U.S.-backed Iraq to move into Syria to exploit the instability that the U.S. helped create and then went back into Iraq? So funny. Again, it would have been over in months if not for foreign intervention.
 
apdst said:
Iran and Syria are the two biggest terrorist sponsoring states in the world. But hey, bomb Saudi Arabia, too. I don't care.
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No they aren't. Saudi Arabia is. Where did all the people who did 9/11 come from? Which flavor of Islam has most of the terrorist attacks been carried out by? Shia or Sunni?
 
Fishking said:
Lol...you mean the group that got out of U.S.-backed Iraq to move into Syria to exploit the instability that the U.S. helped create and then went back into Iraq? So funny. Again, it would have been over in months if not for foreign intervention.
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No, I mean the group that Assad helped move across the border into Syria in the first place to fight US soldiers in Iraq. It's great that you think that's so funny though.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except, of course, he is.
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I'm guessing that is why the polls say otherwise. lol

Oh, so now you are claiming he's never conducted air strikes on his cities? There was never any use of chemical weapons? Bull****.
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You know what I claimed.

Actually it was Mr. Invisible's link which informed me of that pretty blatantly clear fact.
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So you only believe what you want from peoples links then?

Assad and his Russian puppet masters claim they didn't.
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The facts back them up then. :shrug:

Nope, just in your fantasy world.
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Lol. Keep denying that the rebels are terrorists if it makes you feel better.

Believing CTer idiocy would be stupid.
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Believing the government lies about their reasons for going into war is not CT idiocy, but something that has been shown to be factual repeatedly. The fact is they will tell you some bull**** story and you might feel motivated to fight in that conflict because of it, while the real reason you will either never find out about or find out about years later. If you want to be employed by a liar that requires you to put your life on the line for them, so be it, but I consider it stupid.
 
Fishking said:
No they aren't. Saudi Arabia is. Where did all the people who did 9/11 come from? Which flavor of Islam has most of the terrorist attacks been carried out by? Shia or Sunni?
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The 9/11 hijackers weren't sponsored by the Saudi government and they weren't all from Saudi Arabia.

Iran is #1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn.../state-department-report-terrorism/index.html

Iran and Syria are two of the three terrorist sponsoring states designated by the state department.

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm
 
Henrin said:
I'm guessing that is why the polls say otherwise. lol



You know what I claimed.



So you only believe what you want from peoples links then?



The facts back them up then. :shrug:



Lol. Keep denying that the rebels are terrorists if it makes you feel better.



Believing the government lies about their reasons for going into war is not CT idiocy, but something that has been shown to be factual repeatedly. The fact is they will tell you some bull**** story and you might feel motivated to fight in that conflict because of it, while the real reason you will either never find out about or find out about years later. If you want to be employed by a liar that requires you to put your life on the line for them, so be it, but I consider it stupid.
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Only problem, Henrin, is that the "polls" make it explicit that Assad doesn't have the support you think he does. People want free elections, not a dicatator.

You claimed nonsense.

I already pointed out the problems with your claim. His own link makes it very clear.

No, actually, they don't. But your heroes don't care about facts.

And another fantasy you adore. But it's only a fantasy.

Nope, it's CT idiocy. You are so desperate to believe in this fantasy you've concocted that you believe nonsense-- like, for instance, that our airstrikes haven't hampered ISIS.

I don't care what you consider "stupid" Henrin. In the slightest.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hate to break it to you buddy---chemical weapons are WMDs.
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The world's leader in WMD production, and their use on civilian populations, and the sale to others, really knows what WMDs are!
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf States are the biggest financial backers of non-state terrorism and have been for years (see link above). Recently they have been trying to either cut back or better conceal this monetary support. No one knows for sure which is happening. The Saudi Coalition attacking Yemen is the biggest practioner of state terrorism right now surpassing Syria and its Russian allies this year. The US and Britain are the biggest materiel and financial backers of the Saudi Coalition effort in Yemen. Iran, while a significant backer of terrorism, is not the worst offender. It is however backing the wrong groups from the Western perspective and therefore its role is purposely inflated by Western public relations and propaganda organs and the US State Department.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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camlok said:
The world's leader in WMD production, and their use on civilian populations, and the sale to others, really knows what WMDs are!
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Ah, another useless post from you. Can't wait to annihilate your ISIS idols.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah, another useless post from you. Can't wait to annihilate your ISIS idols.
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Why would you want to attack your allies? Sorry, dumb question, the US always attacks it's old allies.

“The Islamic State” (ISIS) is Made in America: The Pentagon had Planned the Fall of Mosul and Ramadi in 2012


The US-led coalition now attempting to appear as though they are fighting ISIS knowingly aided the rise of the Islamic State for the purpose of isolating Assad and combating expanding Iranian influence.

At least as far back as August of 2012 the very same anti-IS coalition knew full well that the precursors to ISIS, al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and Islamic State in Iraq (ISI), dominated the Syrian opposition along with other al-Qaeda affiliated groups.

They knew that AQI was declining during 2009-10, yet was resurrected due to the insurgency in Syria. In spite of this, the US and her allies continued to provide aid, funding, weaponry, and training to these same extremist groups, specifically seeing their rise (and the horrendous crimes against humanity that they partook in) as a strategic asset for their geopolitical aims.

The rise of the Islamic State was not only predicted, it was the expressed aim of the powers sponsoring the sectarian Syrian opposition for the purpose of opposing Assad and containing Iran. Despite the fact that the rise of an Islamic State was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, including the fall of Mosul and Ramadi, support from the US-coalition to the Syrian opposition continued to manifest, leading to the conclusion that this was either the expressed intent, or an accepted byproduct of these policy decisions.

A 7-page Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document dated to August of 2012, recently released under a Freedom Of Information Act, request specifically states that the Syrian opposition was by that time “taking a clear sectarian direction,” and that “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”

READ ON AT, [AS I KNOW YOU WILL, TIGERACE]

?The Islamic State? (ISIS) is Made in America: The Pentagon had Planned the Fall of Mosul and Ramadi in 2012 | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
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Tigerace117 said:
Only problem, Henrin, is that the "polls" make it explicit that Assad doesn't have the support you think he does. People want free elections, not a dicatator.
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The USA doesn't do free elections, it only does brutal, vicious right wing dictators.

Are you right wing/Republican?
 
Camlok:

Beware of accepting and citing the articles posted on GlobalResearch.ca without fact checking them first. I find that they are useful like a canary in a coal mine for alerting readers to issues, but some of their contributors are also very biased and that bias often crosses the line into wilfull misrepresentation, in my opinion. Furthermore the editorial board is a bit suspect in the objectivity department in my opinion. So take what you read there with many grains of salt and fact check things before citing them. I have cited their work before but only after reviewing and verifying each cited article carefully and then pointing out errors and distortions during my citation when I do.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Fishking said:
Lol...you mean the group that got out of U.S.-backed Iraq to move into Syria to exploit the instability that the U.S. helped create and then went back into Iraq? So funny. Again, it would have been over in months if not for foreign intervention.
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Isis wouldn't even exist if not for the foreign intervention of Bush and Obama.
 
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