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Michelle Carter, who urged her boyfriend to commit suicide, found guilty in his death

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fmw said:
I would say she is civilly responsible but not criminally responsible. Imagine how many crimes can be shared by people suggesting criminal activity. The verdict is beyond going overboard. The responsibility lies with the young man who committed suicide.
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you can't legally talk someone into harming themselves. that is what manslaughter charges are for.
the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder

more so someone that is in a mentally deficient state.
 
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Fenton Lum said:
Exactly.
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which is why she was charged glad you finally agree.
 
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ludin said:
which is why she was charged glad you finally agree.
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As you said pard, the talked into killer has responsibility as well.
 
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Fenton Lum said:
Health insurance and mortage companies for example, say someone tossed from their house for unpaid medical bills resulting from a catastrophic illess commmites suicide.

Any complicity in their contributions?
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Their intention was not to induce suicide or cause death or push someone into taking a life. So it is not even close to the same.

Insurance companies are often uneccesarily harsh, and they scum in my opinion, but again, not the same thing as actively encouraging someone close to suicide to do it, and when the try to not, to actively talk them back into it.
 
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Kreton said:
Their intention was not to induce suicide or cause death or push someone into taking a life. So it is not even close to the same.

Insurance companies are often uneccesarily harsh, and they scum in my opinion, but again, not the same thing as actively encouraging someone close to suicide to do it, and when the try to not, to actively talk them back into it.
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Um hmm, sure.
 
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Kreton said:
I see you thought long and hard on that response. Good job.
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All your tripe warranted, corporations are people my friend.
 
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ludin said:
you can't legally talk someone into harming themselves. that is what manslaughter charges are for.
the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder

more so someone that is in a mentally deficient state.
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Circumstances not amounting to murder is a wide open statement. I'm not a lawyer but I think imprisoning some for what they say is over the top.
 
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fmw said:
Circumstances not amounting to murder is a wide open statement. I'm not a lawyer but I think imprisoning some for what they say is over the top.
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no one was imprisoned for what they said. that would be a violation of the constitution.
She was convicted of the death of someone in a circumstance not amounting to murder.

as the SCOTUS has ruled before free speech is not unlimited.
 
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Kreton said:
Please very clearly state your point. I am not seeing it.
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We always have excuses for the powerful and wealthy, both of these folks were clearly emotionally/mentally disturbed individuals, and it is oh so much easier to blame some nobody that it is to examine our society and our total lack of anything for the mentally ill. We are the world's premier incarcerator, and incarceration is now a for profit business with stocks traded on Wall Street. That’s mental health”care” in america. We just disagree, there’s your point. Lock her up, feels good, resolves nothing. If the girl could afford better legal representation she’d have walked. That’s just our exceptional system.
 
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Fenton Lum said:
We always have excuses for the powerful and wealthy, both of these folks were clearly emotionally/mentally disturbed individuals, and it is oh so much easier to blame some nobody that it is to examine our society and our total lack of anything for the mentally ill. We are the world's premier incarcerator, and incarceration is now a for profit business with stocks traded on Wall Street. That’s mental health”care” in america. We just disagree, there’s your point. Lock her up, feels good, resolves nothing. If the girl could afford better legal representation she’d have walked. That’s just our exceptional system.
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No. You are completely wrong. Her actions very directly resulted in a loss of life. That is a crime.
 
Re: Michelle Carter, who urged her boyfriend to commit suicide, found guilty in his d

ludin said:
again you don't address the argument. if talking to someone into killing someone is a crime. which it is.
how is this any different?

she talked him into killing himself. which is why she was convicted manslaughter.

the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.
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She is a horrible person, but she did not physically assist in his death. HE KILLED HIMSELF.

If you said to someone, "go kill yourself," and he does, then therefore you're criminally liable? That's ridiculous.
 
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PoS said:
She is a horrible person, but she did not physically assist in his death. HE KILLED HIMSELF.

If you said to someone, "go kill yourself," and he does, then therefore you're criminally liable? That's ridiculous.
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No, not one person, including the judge, is saying that.

A person who trusts you struggle with depression. He is suicidal. He sends you a text.

You can:
A. help him
B. contact someone else to help him
C. Ignore the text
D. Answer the text by telling him, do it.
E. Answer the text by telling him to do it and when he decides he no longer does actively and ruthlessly encourage him to kill himself.

One of these options is inhumane and worthy of criminal prosecution.

Btw, bullycide is real and really illegal.

When I first read this i wasn't sure. It appeared complicated. I no longer see any other option. She played an active role in his death even after he declared he no longer wanted to die. That is a crime.

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PoS said:
She is a horrible person, but she did not physically assist in his death. HE KILLED HIMSELF.
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You don't have to physically assist in someone's death. that is the purpose of manslaughter. It doesn't matter that he killed
himself she pushed him to do it.

If you said to someone, "go kill yourself," and he does, then therefore you're criminally liable? That's ridiculous.
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depends on the situation. if it is just an offhand comment then probably not. in this case we know that is not what it was.
she was actively attempting to get him to kill himself. instead of trying to save his life by calling the cops or hell even his parents
to go get him.

not only that but when he got out of the car she talked him back into it. so obviously there was a point at which he didn't want to
go through with it.
 
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If I was on the phone with someone, telling...encouraging...urging them to rob a bank or set a fire and they did...wouldn't I be charged...and convicted...as an accessory?

How is this different...except someone died?
 
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