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Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty[W:456]

Higgins86 said:
Doesn't that speak to a larger problem with how you vet gun owners?
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Maybe, maybe not, but that is a different discussion.


Higgins86 said:
Also having rewatched the video I don't see why the officer could not of backed up if he felt in danger, he had the tactical advantage given the fact the guy was seated and not not yet drawn his firearm.
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You re-watched a video of the aftermath and came to such conclusions did you?
Interesting.

An Officer's job is to engage, not disengage.

When an Officer tells you to take your hand off your gun, you do it immediately. You don't argue. There is no ifs and/or buts about it. You just do it.
 
I dont think I understand the rationale for acquittal. There was no evidence of threat. Unless there is much more that we arent aware of, this one was wrong.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Sure.

Apparently having a "drug history" now gives the police justification to shoot you down in cold blood in front of your girlfriend and her four-year-old daughter... especially if you are driving while black after someone else (with a "broad nose", like you) robbed a convenience store in the same town four days previously.

You're an enabler.
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Another delusional reply. Figures.

You need to get a grip, no one argued your delusional nonsense.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont think I understand the rationale for acquittal. There was no evidence of threat. Unless there is much more that we arent aware of, this one was wrong.
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Having your hand on your gun when you have been told not to reach for it and then to get your hand off it, is a threat.
 
Excon said:
Maybe, maybe not, but that is a different discussion.


You re-watched a video of the aftermath and came to such conclusions did you?
Interesting.

An Officer's job is to engage, not disengage.

When an Officer tells you to take your hand off your gun, you do it immediately. You don't argue. There is no ifs and/or buts about it. You just do it.
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I just never saw the immediate danger the officer did, granted his view was much different but having conducted many stop and. Searches during my time in the army I can honestly say I would never be that rash nor was I trained to be.
 
Excon said:
Another delusional reply. Figures.

You need to get a grip, no one argued your delusional nonsense.
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Because you don't have the wherewithal to make a rational argument. All you have is ad hominem attacks.
 
Excon said:
Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty

St. Paul, Minnesota (CNN)Jeronimo Yanez, the Minnesota police officer who fatally shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last year, was found not guilty of second-degree manslaughter Friday.

He also was acquitted of two counts of intentional discharge of firearm that endangers safety.
Castile's death garnered widespread attention after his girlfriend broadcast the shooting's aftermath on Facebook Live.
Several members of the Castile family screamed profanities and cried after the verdicts were announced, despite warnings from the judge that everyone in the courtroom should remain composed.

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Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty​


This is good news.
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This is bull****. The cop asked for his license and when he reached to get it, he shot him 4 ****ing times. This is one time I am not on the cops side.
 
Excon said:
Having your hand on your gun when you have been told not to reach for it and then to get your hand off it, is a threat.
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Except that isnt what happened. According to reports (the prosecutors statement...I havent seen anything other than what was reported), he was reaching for his wallet in his back pocket. The gun was found to be in the front pocket of his shorts.
 
Higgins86 said:
I just never saw the immediate danger the officer did, granted his view was much different but having conducted many stop and. Searches during my time in the army I can honestly say I would never be that rash nor was I trained to be.
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In the military? On an installation?

If so, I am sure there is the rare circumstance, but I can't say our MP's experience the same thing as civilian forces do, most likely because they are dealing with those conditioned to follow orders given.
 
Having been acquitted for 2nd Degree Manslaughter, Officer Jeronimo Yanez should be terminated from the St. Andrews police force for use of baseless profiling (the officers stopped him because he had dark skin and a wide nose) and both reckless and excessive force. His partner and he should be disciplined for not administering first aid at the scene. Officer Yanez discharged seven shots into a car with a child and a young woman in harm's way. At least four of the bullets hit Philando Castile while he was complying with the officer's orders to produce his licence. After being calmly informed by Castile that he was in possession of a firearm, the officer began issuing imprecise and contradictory orders to the suspect. Then Castile was shot multiple times.

Following the shooting but before the arrival of emergency medical personnel the officers ignored Castile, hand cuffed his girl friend whose cell phone was still recording on the car's floor and then spent their time calming and consoling Officer Yanez. A late arriving officer had the presence of mind to start administering first aid just before the EMTs arrived. Castile died soon after and was pronounced dead about twenty minutes after the shooting.

This was very unprofessional behaviour from start to finish and such abuses must be disciplined if other police are to be held to proper professional standards. If I was their commanding officer then Officer Yanez would never serve on my force again and his partner would be disciplined and retrained thoroughly before being put out on patrol again. While the prosecution may have not been able to prove mens rea (ill intent), the acts of officer Yanez were reckless and excessive to the extreme.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
holbritter said:
This is bull****. The cop asked for his license and when he reached to get it, he shot him 4 ****ing times. This is one time I am not on the cops side.
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No, that is not what happened.
 
Excon said:
Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty

St. Paul, Minnesota (CNN)Jeronimo Yanez, the Minnesota police officer who fatally shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last year, was found not guilty of second-degree manslaughter Friday.

He also was acquitted of two counts of intentional discharge of firearm that endangers safety.
Castile's death garnered widespread attention after his girlfriend broadcast the shooting's aftermath on Facebook Live.
Several members of the Castile family screamed profanities and cried after the verdicts were announced, despite warnings from the judge that everyone in the courtroom should remain composed.

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Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty​


This is good news.
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I don't quite remember this...except as he sat dying his SO (wife?) sat recording it. I assume the jury got it right. So I agree with you. Good news.
 
Evilroddy said:
Having been acquitted for 2nd Degree Manslaughter, Officer Jeronimo Yanez should be terminated from the St. Andrews police force for use of baseless profiling (the officers stopped him because he had dark skin and a wide nose) and both reckless and excessive force. His partner and he should be disciplined for not administering first aid at the scene. Officer Yanez discharged seven shots into a car with a child and a young woman in harm's way. At least four of the bullets hit Philando Castile while he was complying with the officer's orders to produce his licence. After being calmly informed by Castile that he was in possession of a firearm, the officer began issuing imprecise and contradictory orders to the suspect. Then Castile was shot multiple times.

Following the shooting but before the arrival of emergency medical personnel the officers ignored Castile, hand cuffed his girl friend whose cell phone was still recording on the car's floor and then spent their time calming and consoling Officer Yanez. A late arriving officer had the presence of mind to start administering first aid just before the EMTs arrived. Castile died soon after and was pronounced dead about twenty minutes after the shooting.

This was very unprofessional behaviour from start to finish and such abuses must be disciplined if other police are to be held to proper professional standards. If I was their commanding officer then Officer Yanez would never serve on my force again and his partner would be disciplined and retrained thoroughly before being put out on patrol again. While the prosecution may have not been able to prove mens rea (ill intent), the acts of officer Yanez were reckless and excessive to the extreme.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I just heard he will not be back. They said it's not in the "public's best interest" to reinstate him. Then why was he found not guilty? The police department themselves don't want him back
 
Excon said:
In the military? On an installation?

If so, I am sure there is the rare circumstance, but I can't say our MP's experience the same thing as civilian forces do, most likely because they are dealing with those conditioned to follow orders given.
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Army during my tour of Basra, stop and searches daily with a very real threat. Like I said he has a different view and I'm a couch QB at this point ( as you yanks say) but I just feel like he pulled the trigger very early on. Didn't really escalate enough for me to justify killing an innocent man
 
holbritter said:
I just heard he will not be back. They said it's not in the "public's best interest" to reinstate him. Then why was he found not guilty? The police department themselves don't want him back
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If he wants it, he will get his job back.
 
Excon said:
Having your hand on your gun when you have been told not to reach for it and then to get your hand off it, is a threat.
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I don't see where the officer was justified in using deadly force when the driver had shown no aggression. If the officer was worried about his own safety, then why was he dealing with the situation alone? Why didn't he get backup first? The officer should have known not to put himself in a situation where he was in over his head and then having to resort to deadly force on a whim. Didn't he ask for the driver to reach for his ID? And so complying with the officer's instructions means you automatically need to be executed, because you were allegedly reaching for your gun?

This is another reason why I wouldn't want to become a gun owner - in case some trigger-happy cop decided to cap me because I unwittingly provoked his trigger reflex. I feel the officer showed poor judgment, and I feel the people here are wrongfully supporting the officer's actions without providing their justification. What some people here are relying upon, is that 'Dead Men Tell No Tales' - ie. they're conveniently taking the officer at his word, when there's no way he'd ever implicate himself.
 
Excon said:
No, that is not what happened.
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"And he put his hand around something," Yanez was quoted as saying. He said Castile's hand took a C-shape, "like putting my hand up to the butt of the gun."
Yanez said he then lost view of Castile's hand.
"I know he had an object and it was dark," he said. "And he was pulling it out with his right hand. And as he was pulling it out, a million things started going through my head. And I thought I was gonna die."
Yanez said he thought Castile had the gun in his right hand and he had "no option" but to shoot, the complaint said.

The gun was in his front pocket. His wallet was in his back pocket. The officer never identified a weapon.
 
Higgins86 said:
Army during my tour of Basra, stop and searches daily with a very real threat. Like I said he has a different view and I'm a couch QB at this point ( as you yanks say) but I just feel like he pulled the trigger very early on. Didn't really escalate enough for me to justify killing an innocent man
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My opinion is the police officer seemed unprepared for that job. But because no video evidence exists of the actual shooting, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending him to prison for the rest of his life.
Of course he shouldn't be a police officer, or employed in any job that requires a service firearm again.
 
truthatallcost said:
My opinion is the police officer seemed unprepared for that job. But because no video evidence exists of the actual shooting, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending him to prison for the rest of his life.
Of course he shouldn't be a police officer, or employed in any job that requires a service firearm again.
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Yeh that's a fair point
 
It's all too easy to dehumanize the deceased - because he's no longer alive to speak for himself.
 
sanman said:
I don't see where the officer was justified in using deadly force when the driver had shown no aggression. If the officer was worried about his own safety, then why was he dealing with the situation alone? Why didn't he get backup first? The officer should have known not to put himself in a situation where he was in over his head and then having to resort to deadly force on a whim. Didn't he ask for the driver to reach for his ID? And so complying with the officer's instructions means you need to be executed, because you were allegedly reaching for your gun?

This is another reason why I wouldn't want to become a gun owner - in case some trigger-happy cop decided to cap me because I unwittingly provoked his trigger reflex. I feel the officer showed poor judgment, and I feel the people here are wrongfully supporting the officer's actions without providing their justification. What some people here are relying upon, is that 'Dead Men Tell No Tales' - ie. they're conveniently taking the officer at his word, when there's no way he never implicate himself.
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What you do is sit with your hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. Ive been pulled over with my firearm on me 3 times. Its never really been an issue. I have been asked to step out of the vehicle and the cop has removed the weapon. Only one of the exchanges was ugly.
 
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