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Pence hires outside counsel to deal with Russia probe inquiries

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-table-main_pencelawyer-505pm:homepage/story

“I can confirm that the Vice President has retained Richard Cullen of McGuire Woods to assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel,” said Jarrod Agen, a Pence spokesman, in an emailed statement. “The Vice President is focused entirely on his duties and promoting the President’s agenda and looks forward to a swift conclusion of this matter.”

Kasowitz has told some White House personnel that they do not need to hire their own lawyers, according to one person familiar with some of the legal discussions that have occurred inside the White House. But Pence’s move to hire an outside attorney could set off a scramble among other West Wing aides — many of whom are already bracing for subpoenas — to do the same, even if only as a protective measure.
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Could be a shortage of good lawyers in Washington.
Interesting to see the President and Vice president to both have outside counsel at the same time.
Has this occurred before? And I am asking in the past 50-60 years?
Getting really interesting.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-table-main_pencelawyer-505pm:homepage/story


Could be a shortage of good lawyers in Washington.
Interesting to see the President and Vice president to both have outside counsel at the same time.
Has this occurred before? And I am asking in the past 50-60 years?
Getting really interesting.
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I'd say that's not really that surprising. If he's going to be interviewed by special counsel, it is in his best interest to have an attorney. And I'd say that if I thought the Trump campaign/administration was 100% clean or 100% dirty/guilty.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'd say that's not really that surprising. If he's going to be interviewed by special counsel, it is in his best interest to have an attorney. And I'd say that if I thought the Trump campaign/administration was 100% clean or 100% dirty/guilty.
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True enough, just waiting for Sean Spicer to hire one.lol
I am still pissed that he was not invited to visit the Pope- After all that man has gone thru, that was pure meanness. And I am not a fan of Sean. Though I do feel for the poor bugger, being constantly thrown under the bus driven by Trump
Wonder if Cabinet members may do the same.
If Cabinet members start lawering up, well that would make a man wonder.
That said, I think some are considering this.
 
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Pence has to thread the needle. He can't display his palpable ambition to become POTUS until he senses he has a probable shot.

We know the expression.... Poop Happens!
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Pence has to thread the needle. He can't display his palpable ambition to become POTUS until he senses he has a probable shot.

We know the expression.... Poop Happens!
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Hard to tell how many times Trump has thrown Pence under the bus.
1 way around impeachment, considering the Repubs control the house, an option if Trump becomes more of an scandal albatross than he presently is, would be invoking the 25th Amendment.
Do you get the felling that may occur????
 
JANFU said:
Hard to tell how many times Trump has thrown Pence under the bus.
1 way around impeachment, considering the Repubs control the house, an option if Trump becomes more of an scandal albatross than he presently is, would be invoking the 25th Amendment.
Do you get the felling that may occur????
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Based on what I have read, using the 25th comes with too much long term uncertainty. I think we used it for a few days after Hinkley shot Reagan.
I would think we'd hear ample public chatter about using it more so to disrupt GOP unity in the House and Senate and to affect Public Opinion. The criminal investigation against Trump and the high profile shooting incident have accelerated the pace Team Trump unravels.
 
At least he's doing it the right way; his attorney doesn't seem to have any connections to organized crime.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-table-main_pencelawyer-505pm:homepage/story


Could be a shortage of good lawyers in Washington.
Interesting to see the President and Vice president to both have outside counsel at the same time.
Has this occurred before? And I am asking in the past 50-60 years?
Getting really interesting.
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I think you'd have to go back further than 50-60 years, if ever.

I seem to recall Nixon didn't hire a private attorney until after he resigned!
 
JANFU said:
True enough, just waiting for Sean Spicer to hire one.lol
I am still pissed that he was not invited to visit the Pope- After all that man has gone thru, that was pure meanness. And I am not a fan of Sean. Though I do feel for the poor bugger, being constantly thrown under the bus driven by Trump
Wonder if Cabinet members may do the same.
If Cabinet members start lawering up, well that would make a man wonder.
That said, I think some are considering this.
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Believe it or not, many staffers will likely need to hire attorneys.

That's what happened under Clinton. It's just too important, and too dangerous, to be interviewed in these matters without council.
 
Chomsky said:
I think you'd have to go back further than 50-60 years, if ever.

I seem to recall Nixon didn't hire a private attorney until after he resigned!
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Have to wait and see if the Cabinet starts hiring lawyers. That I think would be a death knell for Trump
 
Chomsky said:
I think you'd have to go back further than 50-60 years, if ever.

I seem to recall Nixon didn't hire a private attorney until after he resigned!
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One of the indicted White House Attorneys, Jeb Magruder, famously said during the Watergate Era "I'm still trying to figure out why it cost me $100,000 to plead guilty."

Charles Colson, another attorney from that era, apparently said pre-Watergate "Grab them by the Balls... and their Hearts and Minds will follow."

Upon his conviction and incarceration, his attitude quickly changed. In prison, he got on his knees, wept, begged and called out for Jesus. Even today, he still runs Colson's Ministries.
 
JANFU said:
Have to wait and see if the Cabinet starts hiring lawyers. That I think would be a death knell for Trump
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I wouldn't doubt if many of them already have hired lawyers, or had them previously as a matter of recourse. We just don't read about it in the media.

When Trump declared HRC's Presidency would suffer due to her being under investigation, there was some truth in that. In Trump's case, one of the most prominent factors may be his lack of attracting qualified people. Who want to start a new job lawyered-up walking into an active federal criminal investigation? Not me! If I'm qualified to work at that level of service, I likely have a lot of better paying options with less legal danger and political exposure!
 
Trippy Trekker said:
One of the indicted White House Attorneys, Jeb Magruder, famously said during the Watergate Era "I'm still trying to figure out why it cost me $100,000 to plead guilty."

Charles Colson, another attorney from that era, apparently said pre-Watergate "Grab them by the Balls... and their Hearts and Minds will follow."

Upon his conviction and incarceration, his attitude quickly changed. In prison, he got on his knees, wept, begged and called out for Jesus. Even today, he still runs Colson's Ministries.
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At least Trump is not gay. :mrgreen:
 
Trippy Trekker said:
One of the indicted White House Attorneys, Jeb Magruder, famously said during the Watergate Era "I'm still trying to figure out why it cost me $100,000 to plead guilty."

Charles Colson, another attorney from that era, apparently said pre-Watergate "Grab them by the Balls... and their Hearts and Minds will follow."

Upon his conviction and incarceration, his attitude quickly changed. In prison, he got on his knees, wept, begged and called out for Jesus. Even today, he still runs Colson's Ministries.
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BTW, the bolded is a military saying. I had an ex-military boss that often used that expression.

He once said of a coworker of mine that was running late for work,

"Their mothers may have their hearts, and their girlfriends & wives may have their minds, but from 9-5 I own their asses and they better be here!"
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Speaking of lawyers, looks like Trump's #1 pick may be in a spot of trouble.

https://twitter.com/Spicerlies/status/875488988848685056
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I think we might need a better link to that letter...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/emqy128l1...int against Marc Kasowitz - Redacted.pdf?dl=0

Kasowitz Hit With Ethics Complaints in NY, DC Over White House Advice | New York Law Journal
 
holbritter said:
Considering who Mueller is loading his team up with, it's probably not a bad idea.
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Agnew got sacked before Nixon. He was the VP used as the Nixon pit bull against the media. Quite a few parallels now with Nixon-2 .
 
Moot said:
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I think we might need a better link to that letter...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/emqy128l1...int against Marc Kasowitz - Redacted.pdf?dl=0

Kasowitz Hit With Ethics Complaints in NY, DC Over White House Advice | New York Law Journal
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So someone named Neil Goldfarb (who is that?) is filing a complaint based on a story that was reported in the news? Are people going nuts? If this guy is some unconnected citizen, I hope the Secret Service has a line on him. He seems close to cracking.
 
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