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Trump Calls Health Care Bill 'Mean'

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Hmmmm sounds like something those evil libruals would think about. How dare Trump spend more money on Health Care!!!!

The positive comments about the Senate plan tracks with Trump telling reporters during the meeting that the Senate should spend more on the bill to make it "generous, kind (and) with heart."
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Trump calls House health care bill 'mean' - CNNPolitics.com
 
ModerateGOP said:
Hmmmm sounds like something those evil libruals would think about. How dare Trump spend more money on Health Care!!!!



Trump calls House health care bill 'mean' - CNNPolitics.com
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This is in line with my assessment of who Trump is as a person. I don't think there's some inherent malicious intent, the way there is with a guy like McConnel. Because Trump doesn't have to deliver on age old promises to his donors. Really, there's just a bumbling incompetent, who wants to Make America Great Again, but, has queer ideas on how to.
 
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Democrats continue to underestimate the DC Bermuda Triangle of McConnell, Ryan and trump .
 
Ryan had to get on his knees to get the House version to pass. Now the Senate is ripping that bill apart?

Trump can say whatever he wants. Doesn't matter. Ryan won't be able to get the far right loons in the House to play ball next time. even if he gets on his knees again.
 
I'm quite certain Trump would readily sign a universal healthcare bill of one came before him.
 
JMaximus said:
I'm quite certain Trump would readily sign a universal healthcare bill of one came before him.
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I agree. But again because of the House there will never be one, or anything close. So Trump can say whatever he wants, 1 day he can say the House Bill is great and the next day say it's 'mean'. Doesn't matter, unless there's a big shake-up in the House, ACA is staying, for now anyway.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I agree. But again because of the House there will never be one, or anything close. So Trump can say whatever he wants, 1 day he can say the House Bill is great and the next day say it's 'mean'. Doesn't matter, unless there's a big shake-up in the House, ACA is staying, for now anyway.
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Exactly. So now is the opportunity for democrats to take advantage of the situation.

Democrats need to work with moderate republicans and purpose fixes to the ACA. The country will benefit and the democrats will stop playing the game the GOP did for 6 years.

Democrats will be the party that works for the people and leads even when in the minority.

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Well yes, it is mean. It hurts tens of millions of people.

If they acknowledge that, hard to understand why they had such a fun time passing it.

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Whythink said:
Exactly. So now is the opportunity for democrats to take advantage of the situation.
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But will they?

Or will they piss away the next four to eight years with "investigations" and "special counsels"?
 
NIMBY said:
Democrats continue to underestimate the DC Bermuda Triangle of McConnell, Ryan and trump .
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Where the values and interests of the American people disappear without a trace?
 
upsideguy said:
Where the values and interests of the American people disappear without a trace?
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Especially those of trump's voters! Where are those nationwide DEM ads on 'mean' trumpcare ?
 
Trump will sign any compromise healthcare bill the GOP Congress places on his desk.

Trump is only interested in a legislative political win, and not in delivering the 'very best' and 'most affordable' healthcare plan he promised all Americans on the campaign trail.
 
I think Trump honestly would like to fix healthcare for the betterment of all Americans.

The problem is he doesn't know how, has no expertise in that area and has politicians around him on either side that are not going to suggest fixing it if it goes against their interests.

I think he's like this on every policy.

does anyone here KNOW how to 'fix' healthcare? can we come to a consensus between the parties? Hell I have read pros and cons on both sides and still am not sure if either one will 'fix' healthcare for all Americans.

can we even come to an agreement on what fixed healthcare looks like?
 
Hypothetical said:
I think Trump honestly would like to fix healthcare for the betterment of all Americans.

The problem is he doesn't know how, has no expertise in that area and has politicians around him on either side that are not going to suggest fixing it if it goes against their interests.

I think he's like this on every policy.

does anyone here KNOW how to 'fix' healthcare? can we come to a consensus between the parties? Hell I have read pros and cons on both sides and still am not sure if either one will 'fix' healthcare for all Americans.

can we even come to an agreement on what fixed healthcare looks like?
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Fixed health care makes insurance nearly unnecessary - the cost of anything short of catastrophic diagnosis or illness should be low enough to be paid out of pocket by anyone able enough to work for a living.
I think Trump knows how to fix this, but there is no politician willing to even attempt as it would put a huge hole in 1/5th of our GDP.

Huge progress would be made with a few simple things:
1) make medical equipment and drugs re-saleable from foreign sources. Make it so pharmacies could buy drugs from Canada and Mexico and be able to re-sell them to you and I at competitive prices..
2) Force hospitals and care providers to advertise up front on all procedure pricing to all customers (insurers and patients both) - and make those prices binding in court. This cost would be inclusive of complications.
3) Enforce racketeering laws and crack down on preferred pricing schemes (gas stations don't get away with selling you high cost fuel if you are on the wrong car insurance program - why do hospitals get away with this?)

Insurers would become nearly unnecessary with market forces and consumer protections reducing prices to reasonable levels.
Insurers could even facilitate lower cost by paying for plane tickets to places like the Surgery Center of OK (or places like Japan or India for that matter) to get people treated at competitive costs.
The only problem is these ideas are political suicide (and perceived economic suicide) for the nation.
Those three things shoot a major hole in GDP via the extreme overpriced cost of medicine. There would be large (but temporary) job loss in the medical professions. Recovery would happen as people find a better way to spend their money (saved via theoretically lower taxes / lower monthly insurance premiums / lower copays / lower over the counter cost)
 
boredatwork said:
Fixed health care makes insurance nearly unnecessary - the cost of anything short of catastrophic diagnosis or illness should be low enough to be paid out of pocket by anyone able enough to work for a living.
I think Trump knows how to fix this, but there is no politician willing to even attempt as it would put a huge hole in 1/5th of our GDP.

Huge progress would be made with a few simple things:
1) make medical equipment and drugs re-saleable from foreign sources. Make it so pharmacies could buy drugs from Canada and Mexico and be able to re-sell them to you and I at competitive prices..
2) Force hospitals and care providers to advertise up front on all procedure pricing to all customers (insurers and patients both) - and make those prices binding in court. This cost would be inclusive of complications.
3) Enforce racketeering laws and crack down on preferred pricing schemes (gas stations don't get away with selling you high cost fuel if you are on the wrong car insurance program - why do hospitals get away with this?)

Insurers would become nearly unnecessary with market forces and consumer protections reducing prices to reasonable levels.
Insurers could even facilitate lower cost by paying for plane tickets to places like the Surgery Center of OK (or places like Japan or India for that matter) to get people treated at competitive costs.
The only problem is these ideas are political suicide (and perceived economic suicide) for the nation.
Those three things shoot a major hole in GDP via the extreme overpriced cost of medicine. There would be large (but temporary) job loss in the medical professions. Recovery would happen as people find a better way to spend their money (saved via theoretically lower taxes / lower monthly insurance premiums / lower copays / lower over the counter cost)
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I say go back to preReagan and make health insurance non-profit.

https://www.forbes.com/2009/10/12/p...ce-financial-advisor-network-blue-shield.html

According to Cohn, 12 percent of the market was served by for-profits in 1981; by 1997, that was more like 65 percent.) With their bottom-line orientation, the for-profit HMOs*were necessarily more aggressive about denying treatments.

A short history of health care.

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Hypothetical said:
I think Trump honestly would like to fix healthcare for the betterment of all Americans.

The problem is he doesn't know how, has no expertise in that area and has politicians around him on either side that are not going to suggest fixing it if it goes against their interests.

I think he's like this on every policy.

does anyone here KNOW how to 'fix' healthcare? can we come to a consensus between the parties? Hell I have read pros and cons on both sides and still am not sure if either one will 'fix' healthcare for all Americans.

can we even come to an agreement on what fixed healthcare looks like?
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Return it to the States, let left and right and moderate states all experiment, and then we will be able to see what actually works. Let California try Single Payer. Let Texas try Libertarianism.
 
Winston said:
This is in line with my assessment of who Trump is as a person. I don't think there's some inherent malicious intent, the way there is with a guy like McConnel. Because Trump doesn't have to deliver on age old promises to his donors. Really, there's just a bumbling incompetent, who wants to Make America Great Again, but, has queer ideas on how to.
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I actually agree with that. I think Trump just honestly has no idea how things work. That's why I get angrier at guys like Paul Ryan. Even when Trump backed the AHCA publicly he obviously had no idea what it was. He was just being a salesman like usual.
 
MrPeanut said:
I actually agree with that. I think Trump just honestly has no idea how things work. That's why I get angrier at guys like Paul Ryan. Even when Trump backed the AHCA publicly he obviously had no idea what it was. He was just being a salesman like usual.
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I'm not sure the implication that Paul Ryan knows better is well-founded. Certainly he pretends to be a guy who knows better on TV, but then so does Trump. Ryan pretends to be a policy wonk but there's very little reason to believe that. All signs point to him not really understanding this issue very well.
 
Greenbeard said:
I'm not sure the implication that Paul Ryan knows better is well-founded. Certainly he pretends to be a guy who knows better on TV, but then so does Trump. Ryan pretends to be a policy wonk but there's very little reason to believe that. All signs point to him not really understanding this issue very well.
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I think Ryan fully understands the negative implications of the AHCA. I just don't think he cares about them.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think Ryan fully understands the negative implications of the AHCA. I just don't think he cares about them.
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Well, to be fair, he probably cares somewhat.

But what he REALLY cares about is getting the 3.8% tax repealed on extremely high income dono....errrrr...taxpayers
 
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