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North Korea releases U.S. citizen Otto Warmbier, Tillerson says

How'd he end up in a coma?
 
jamesrage said:
I'm sorry but if you are an American and you willingly go a country like North Korea or any other country that hates our guts and you are not on US government business then you deserve to be stuck there. Trump shouldn't have done anything. Because its not like people didn't know that North Korea kidnaps people or that North Korea imprisons people on phony charges. I am pretty sure that every travel agency probably warned this person and every other dumb**** that could happen to them. Its just smart as a former Muslim visiting relatives in a hard core Muslim country or a black man going to a KKK rally in the middle of nowhere by himself or Donald Trump supporter by him or herself walking into a middle of a ANTIFA rally.
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Stephen50right said:
Hopefully all American citizens will learn NOT to go anywhere near North Korea, not even on business. It is simply way too dangerous.
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I have to agree. One has to be a complete and utter moron to go to countries like Iran, NK, and others. The same continue to be utter morons to expect that the USA would come and get their stupid asses out of the jam they've gotten themselves into.

Should these people die because of their stupid action, well, I'd only say that it'd be Darwinism asserting itself. Darwinism, a scientific theory, so how can that possibly be a bad thing?
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Yeah, that Travel Agency used by Otto probably modeled part of their pitch in the manner of a Military Recruiter by accentuating the positive and downplaying the negative. Young Otto may have envisioned a Great Adventure with no idea of the real risk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier

North Korea Travel and Tourism | Young Pioneer Tours
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I doubt he flew directly from the US to North Korea and I am sure his family and friends and maybe even people along the way warned him.
 
eohrnberger said:
I have to agree. One has to be a complete and utter moron to go to countries like Iran, NK, and others. The same continue to be utter morons to expect that the USA would come and get their stupid asses out of the jam they've gotten themselves into.

Should these people die because of their stupid action, well, I'd only say that it'd be Darwinism asserting itself. Darwinism, a scientific theory, so how can that possibly be a bad thing?
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It can be called Darwinism...it could also be called glutton for punishment. It's almost like these people want to be captured. I'm not sure if it's a death wish although it could be, but it certainly is a wish for abuse of some sort.
 
Stephen50right said:
It can be called Darwinism...it could also be called glutton for punishment. It's almost like these people want to be captured. I'm not sure if it's a death wish although it could be, but it certainly is a wish for abuse of some sort.
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All the more reason the the US government shouldn't engage in any efforts to obtain their release, unless it part of a greater, more important objective which serves the US nation's interests.
 
His confession noted:

I never, never should have allowed myself to be lured by the United States administration to commit a crime in this country, I wish that the United States administration never manipulate people like myself in the future to commit crimes against foreign countries. I entirely beg you, the people and government of the DPRK, for your forgiveness. Please! I made the worst mistake of my life!
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Wow. The Obama admin didn't want to get their own hands dirty so they got a naive kid to engage in theft in another country. And of course Obama couldn't be bothered to do anything to help him get free. Obama is worse than I ever imagined. Thank God for Trump and Dennis Rodman. Wambier was star struck and tricked by the Obama administration into committing this crime, and the administration left him to rot and die.
 
TheGoverness said:
Article Here.



Good on you, Trump Administration. :applaud

Hopefully they can help release more jailed American citizens from NK in the near future.
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Good to hear but I don't feel sorry for anybody that goes to a ****hole like North Korea and something bad happens to them...
 
eohrnberger said:
Doesn't this mean that there's a US NK dialogue going on? A small success step forward, with perhaps more larger ones to follow? Almost too much to hope for.

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No. It says that the USA communicates to N.K. through neutral Sweden and their Embassy.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
The coma part of this story leaves much to my imagination.

Otto Warmbier made a mistake in judgment clearly out of naivety. JamesRage and Erod's apparent lack of compassion speaks volumes. I would never knowingly choose either one of them as a battle mate.

I genuinely hope Otto regains consciousness and some semblance of a normal life. May Prayers and much Love go out in support of Otto!
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I would choose them as a battle mate over this kid or those that would let me go into a **** situation like this kid did. James and Erod would do what a mate SHOULD DO. Stop you from doing something stupid that will cause you harm.
 
motorpsychle said:
Actually having read about this story has deeply changed my view of North Korea.

The statements that Warmbier made in trial, show that they have a dead ringer Roland Freisler and Reichsgerichtshof over there.

A sentence of 15 years for a child's prank (or made up altogether)? But for me the worst part is, that they took care for a young prisinor in such a way, that he lies in coma shortly after.

I hadn't bothered for North Korea to build all their rockets and nuclear bombs they desired.

Now I have started hoping that Pjoenjang will give reason for Trump to get trigger happy.
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This post has multiple "WTF's" in it...

You previously had a positive view of N. Korea?
You want Trump to get Nuke Trigger Happy?
 
eohrnberger said:
I have to agree. One has to be a complete and utter moron to go to countries like Iran, NK, and others. The same continue to be utter morons to expect that the USA would come and get their stupid asses out of the jam they've gotten themselves into.

Should these people die because of their stupid action, well, I'd only say that it'd be Darwinism asserting itself. Darwinism, a scientific theory, so how can that possibly be a bad thing?
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Because humanity already tried that as a society framework. It didn't go well.
 
TheGoverness said:
Article Here.



Good on you, Trump Administration. :applaud

Hopefully they can help release more jailed American citizens from NK in the near future.
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The poor guy is in a coma and has been so for over a year. It's not like the guy had much to live for - how many people in a coma for over a year go in to lead remotely normal lives...let alone come out of the coma? Not many, IMO.

NK probably just did not want to wait until he died before 'releasing' him.

Until I have proof that Trump did something specifically good toget this guy back...I ain't giving him much credit for it. Hell...maybe it was Dennis Rodman who got the guy released.

To me, it looks like NK just dumped a coma man they were sick of looking after.

I am glad for him and especially his family that he is home. But how much of a life does he realistically have left?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
No. It says that the USA communicates to N.K. through neutral Sweden and their Embassy.
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OK. Still, there's at least some form of dialogue going on, even if it is through an intermediary. But, yes, hope diminishes.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Because humanity already tried that as a society framework. It didn't go well.
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Dunno, but there seems to be a lot of stupid built up in the gene pool, and at an ever accelerating rate as well.
 
eohrnberger said:
OK. Still, there's at least some form of dialogue going on, even if it is through an intermediary. But, yes, hope diminishes.
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Can't really have zero communication... heck, even making statements on TV for others to hear is a form of communicating.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Can't really have zero communication... heck, even making statements on TV for others to hear is a form of communicating.
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North Koreans have TVs?

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Heck, I didn't even think they had electricity!
 
After reading this thread, I'm glad to know that most of the people posting were paragons of mature perfection at 21. Some lady at this kid's church offered him a car worth $10K for swiping a poster (or banner--I've read both). Stupid? Yes. Worthy of you all sitting in smug judgment the way you are? I don't think so. How about a little charity or grace here?

From Time:

In a tearful statement made before his trial, Warmbier told a gathering of reporters in Pyongyang he was offered a used car worth $10,000 if he could get a propaganda banner and was also told that if he was detained and didn't return, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in the form of a charitable donation.

Warmbier said he accepted the offer because his family was "suffering from very severe financial difficulties." Otto Warmbier: North Korea Releases Jailed American Student | Time.com

Other stupid crimes mentioned in the article: ripping up a visa and leaving a Bible in a club.
 
mike2810 said:
If this article is true NK release of Otto is so they won't have the death of the student on their hands.

TOKYO — University of Virginia student Otto Warmbier has been medically evacuated from North Korea in a coma after being detained for 17 months, his parents told The Washington Post on Tuesday.
Warmbier, 22, is due to arrive home in Cincinnati on Tuesday evening, after a stop at a U.S. military facility in Sapporo, Japan.
The family said they were told by North Korean officials — through contacts with American envoys — that Warmbier fell ill from botulism sometime after his March trial and fell into a coma after taking a sleeping pill. The Warmbiers said they were told their son has remained in a coma since then.
There was no immediate confirmation from U.S. officials of North Korea’s version of events — notably whether Warmbier was stricken with botulism, a potentially fatal illness that is caused by a toxin but is not usually associated with loss of consciousness.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.241064a73301
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"fell ill" = result of mistreatment, most likely some form of torture.

If he dies here in the US, it's still on NK's hands.
 
Roadvirus said:
"fell ill" = result of mistreatment, most likely some form of torture.

If he dies here in the US, it's still on NK's hands.
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And North Korea doesn't give a damn about its own people, much less ours.
 
nota bene said:
After reading this thread, I'm glad to know that most of the people posting were paragons of mature perfection at 21. Some lady at this kid's church offered him a car worth $10K for swiping a poster (or banner--I've read both). Stupid? Yes. Worthy of you all sitting in smug judgment the way you are? I don't think so. How about a little charity or grace here?

From Time:

In a tearful statement made before his trial, Warmbier told a gathering of reporters in Pyongyang he was offered a used car worth $10,000 if he could get a propaganda banner and was also told that if he was detained and didn't return, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in the form of a charitable donation.

Warmbier said he accepted the offer because his family was "suffering from very severe financial difficulties." Otto Warmbier: North Korea Releases Jailed American Student | Time.com

Other stupid crimes mentioned in the article: ripping up a visa and leaving a Bible in a club.
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Suffering from very severe financial difficulties, but not so severe that he couldn't afford to go on an international vacation. I think you're letting your heart lead you away from things that are logical.
 
Roadvirus said:
"fell ill" = result of mistreatment, most likely some form of torture.

If he dies here in the US, it's still on NK's hands.
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There may well have been a couple of loose screws which came undone.
 
nota bene said:
After reading this thread, I'm glad to know that most of the people posting were paragons of mature perfection at 21. Some lady at this kid's church offered him a car worth $10K for swiping a poster (or banner--I've read both). Stupid? Yes. Worthy of you all sitting in smug judgment the way you are? I don't think so. How about a little charity or grace here?

From Time:

In a tearful statement made before his trial, Warmbier told a gathering of reporters in Pyongyang he was offered a used car worth $10,000 if he could get a propaganda banner and was also told that if he was detained and didn't return, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in the form of a charitable donation.

Warmbier said he accepted the offer because his family was "suffering from very severe financial difficulties." Otto Warmbier: North Korea Releases Jailed American Student | Time.com

Other stupid crimes mentioned in the article: ripping up a visa and leaving a Bible in a club.
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Of course we are all glad to see him released. What does "paragons of mature perfection" have anything to do with it? You even stated it was "stupid" and it was. We post to try and explain how stupid, so that hopefully others don't do something just as stupid, then windup in a rat infested North Korea prison, and cost the US taxpayer money to process their release and medical expenses, or sometimes funeral expenses.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I would choose them as a battle mate over this kid or those that would let me go into a **** situation like this kid did. James and Erod would do what a mate SHOULD DO. Stop you from doing something stupid that will cause you harm.
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Now that Rage and Erod missed the opportunity to apprise Otto of the risks of visiting North Korea... and Otto lies in a coma, do they disparage Otto for doing something dumb and feel indifferent about his prospects going forward?
 
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