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Are you sure? That's a pretty high bar.

But, it just might make the cut.

Choosing a forum name just to express that you're against a talk show host...that one definitely makes the cut. :lol:
 
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I stated my point, and it was crystal clear. That's the beauty of my side, the conservative side...we can state a lucid point in one or two sentences. Something that liberals ramble on for many paragraphs to try to do, and still they come to a muddled conclusion.

It's your prerogative to call it "stupid" but without any focused reply to the specific point, it just makes you look like a deer in headlights. A similar look you probably had on election night 2016. :lol:

Here is your point, or points:
Bernie fanatics can call him anything they wish. The bottom line is Bernie's policies, Democratic Party policies, and Communist China policies are designed for a Big Brother nanny state. The paths to get there may be a bit different, but the goal is the same. And that goal's end will never result in freedom and liberty for the people.
Assuming for this post's discussion that "Big Brother nanny state" means surveillance of and at least some degree of restriction on the people living in the USA, along with systems that provide stuff to people who can't (or won't?) provide it for themselves...in general terms.

How can you seriously be contending that the goals of China, the Democratic party, and Sanders are the same? Leaving aside what they say, which I have no doubt is laced with lies (in the case of China and the Democratic party, at least)...their actions indicate differing goals, if nothing else does.

For example, I seriously doubt that the DNC is going to advocate for free public colleges any time soon, because their power stems from keeping most of the population in debt and working hard, and the oligarchs that run things on top and passing them a sliver of their profits. Republicans have many if not all of the same masters (and maybe a mistress or two, but frankly most of the oligarchs are old and male).
China may already have free higher education, in some cases - I don't know.
Sanders, I think, proposed it because it makes sense from every angle I've looked at it from. Rather than give young people the option of either working low-paying jobs for life or indebting themselves for decades (or life) to get slightly higher pay, we offer free higher education to those who can handle it. The "rising tide lifts all boats" cliche comes to mind.

Churches in a free society, not afraid to express political views, is an example of freedom and liberty and that's what Trump supports...and Bernie, the Democratic Party, and Communist China don't like that one bit.
Sanders and the Democratic Party are correct to be concerned (although I think the Democratic Party is more concerned about it as a threat to their power). Sanders, I think, is opposed to it because he considers politically-involved religion a threat to freedom and liberty.

I am personally highly concerned about churches being allowed to involve themselves in politics in any way.
As I see things, that way lies defacto, if not dejure, religious government. Humans have tried that. Hell, they're doing that in various places around the Middle East right now. It really isn't a good idea.
 
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I'm glad you stated that. If liberals begin to like what I say, then I know I'm doing something wrong. ;)

I find it so funny when rightwingers blatantly admit that they have so little direction and flat out state that they are just reactionaries like this.
 
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Stephen50right said:
I stated my point, and it was crystal clear. That's the beauty of my side, the conservative side...we can state a lucid point in one or two sentences.

Yes, your point was quite clear. It was also quite clearly false.

Stephen50right said:
Something that liberals ramble on for many paragraphs to try to do, and still they come to a muddled conclusion.

Welcome to American conservatism, where we think the world can be accurately summarized in a few words, because we don't like to read or write more than two sentences at a time.

Anyway, to your point:

Stephen50right said:
The bottom line is Bernie's policies, Democratic Party policies, and Communist China policies are designed for a Big Brother nanny state. The paths to get there may be a bit different, but the goal is the same. And that goal's end will never result in freedom and liberty for the people.

I say that your point is false. What reason can you provide that someone ought to agree with you here?
 
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Here is your point, or points:
Assuming for this post's discussion that "Big Brother nanny state" means surveillance of and at least some degree of restriction on the people living in the USA, along with systems that provide stuff to people who can't (or won't?) provide it for themselves...in general terms.

How can you seriously be contending that the goals of China, the Democratic party, and Sanders are the same? Leaving aside what they say, which I have no doubt is laced with lies (in the case of China and the Democratic party, at least)...their actions indicate differing goals, if nothing else does.

For example, I seriously doubt that the DNC is going to advocate for free public colleges any time soon, because their power stems from keeping most of the population in debt and working hard, and the oligarchs that run things on top and passing them a sliver of their profits. Republicans have many if not all of the same masters (and maybe a mistress or two, but frankly most of the oligarchs are old and male).
China may already have free higher education, in some cases - I don't know.
Sanders, I think, proposed it because it makes sense from every angle I've looked at it from. Rather than give young people the option of either working low-paying jobs for life or indebting themselves for decades (or life) to get slightly higher pay, we offer free higher education to those who can handle it. The "rising tide lifts all boats" cliche comes to mind.

Sanders and the Democratic Party are correct to be concerned (although I think the Democratic Party is more concerned about it as a threat to their power). Sanders, I think, is opposed to it because he considers politically-involved religion a threat to freedom and liberty.

I am personally highly concerned about churches being allowed to involve themselves in politics in any way.
As I see things, that way lies defacto, if not dejure, religious government. Humans have tried that. Hell, they're doing that in various places around the Middle East right now. It really isn't a good idea.

<<< How can you seriously be contending that the goals of China, the Democratic party, and Sanders are the same? >>>

The difference between Communist China and Sanders/Democratic Party is ruthlessness. Their goals are similar. Communist China achieved their goals under Mao by murdering millions. Obama attempted a left wing overthrow by supporting Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, The Black Panthers, the Mexican cartel with Fast & Furious giving them weapons, and others, all far left wing groups, and also letting hardened criminals out of jail by the truckload. Obama just wasn't ruthless enough and didn't have enough followers to achieve it. Anyone would have to be politically naive not to notice that for eight years, Barack Hussein Obama attempted to subvert our Constitution every chance he got. He's still trying, and he's still quite dangerous.
 
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This has absolutely no connection to Bernie Sanders.

Technically he just proposed and implemented on the fly a religious test that directly goes against article 6.

This also excludes about 70 percent of Americans from holding office.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ws0jcezpQws

Tolerance?
 
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Bernie fanatics can call him anything they wish. The bottom line is Bernie's policies, Democratic Party policies, and Communist China policies are designed for a Big Brother nanny state. The paths to get there may be a bit different, but the goal is the same. And that goal's end will never result in freedom and liberty for the people.

Churches in a free society, not afraid to express political views, is an example of freedom and liberty and that's what Trump supports...and Bernie, the Democratic Party, and Communist China don't like that one bit.

Except for Islam, which deserves no religious protection, right?
 
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Except for Islam, which deserves no religious protection, right?

Right
 
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Yeah, I noticed. I just had to defend my man Bernie, even if it is against a bad propagandist.

Yeah, you defend your man Bernie. He may not be quite communist China, but he's a radical leftist socialist all the way!
 
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China is indeed reverting to an anti-Christian stance, targeting churches for 'not being Chinese'. I wouldn't be surprised if the story is true, as the gubmint has been cutting down crosses that are affixed to some churches.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/world/asia/china-christians-zhejiang.html?_r=0

Bernie Sanders doesn't seem like such a bad guy, just naive.
 
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Trumpsters must think their boy is in really big trouble.

This is the defection of all deflections. A president Sanders would be burning down Churches because he's a communist? lol

Maybe because he's Jewish, but not a communist. lol
 
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Technically he just proposed and implemented on the fly a religious test that directly goes against article 6.

This also excludes about 70 percent of Americans from holding office.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ws0jcezpQws

Tolerance?

Technically, you are wrong.
 
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Yeah, you defend your man Bernie. He may not be quite communist China, but he's a radical leftist socialist all the way!

You say that like its a bad thing.
 
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Except for Islam, which deserves no religious protection, right?

The problem with Islam as you should know, is that it is more than just a religion. Islam is also a political system called Sharia Law which does not accept any other form of government.

China destroying Christian churches is horrific and unacceptable. While if it was mosques with Islamists espousing violence and mass murder, then appropriate action against them would be justified, as it would be anywhere.
 
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Why is that? What actual positions of Bernie's do you find harmful to the country? Please be specific. Political name calling is too easy and means nothing.
 
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Why is that? What actual positions of Bernie's do you find harmful to the country? Please be specific. Political name calling is too easy and means nothing.

Free free free, everything for free. The man is full of ****. But he's been that way for 30 years at least.
 
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The problem with Islam as you should know, is that it is more than just a religion. Islam is also a political system called Sharia Law which does not accept any other form of government.

China destroying Christian churches is horrific and unacceptable. While if it was mosques with Islamists espousing violence and mass murder, then appropriate action against them would be justified, as it would be anywhere.

Islam is a religion. How it is manifested politically does not change that fact. There are countries where Roman Catholicism is the state religion. Religions have no control over how they are manifested politically.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Christian_countries
 
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Free free free, everything for free. The man is full of ****. But he's been that way for 30 years at least.

That is not specific. And it is inaccurate as well.
 
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That is not specific. And it is inaccurate as well.

No, that pretty much covers it. That's why he had the young people.
 
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No, that pretty much covers it. That's why he had the young people.

So you really have nothing at all but political name calling.
 
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I stated my point, and it was crystal clear. That's the beauty of my side, the conservative side...we can state a lucid point in one or two sentences. Something that liberals ramble on for many paragraphs to try to do, and still they come to a muddled conclusion.

It's your prerogative to call it "stupid" but without any focused reply to the specific point, it just makes you look like a deer in headlights. A similar look you probably had on election night 2016. :lol:

Oooh, BURN!! lol... I'm guessing this clown is ~14 years old, based on the debate quality. Up to you guys if you wanna feed this one... lol...

Oh, and before I forget, re: the OP:

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Islam is a religion. How it is manifested politically does not change that fact. There are countries where Roman Catholicism is the state religion. Religions have no control over how they are manifested politically.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Christian_countries

Sorry, but you simply haven't been paying enough attention to what Islam is truly all about, and what is going on out there in the real world.

Sharia Law is in the Koran, therefore Islam and Sharia Law are inseparable, no matter how the liberal spin doctors may say so otherwise.
 
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