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Canvassers for Dem-tied group charged in voter registration fraud scheme

Moderate Right said:
yada yada yada. "Once we understand exactly what he did". And yet you pretend to know "exactly what he did".
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Where do I pretend to know 'exactly what he did'.... That said, I do BELIEVE at the end of the day, we will see financial entanglements between the Trump family and the Russian government that most of us will find rather appalling (and some will label as emoluments).... I do not purport to know this, but its completely consistent with what I know about the Trump Organization, the real estate business and Trump's behaviors.
 
VanceMack said:
Can I demonstrate that criminal acts in general precede follow on criminal acts? Sure. Do we have proof of this specific act or others? Well...that would require an actual investigation, wouldnt it?

But I do love the kneejerk leftist response. You know its coming...you can set your watch by it. There has been a pretty clear history on this site. "No such thing as voter fraud." "OK...but thats just massive voter registration not actual voter fraud." "OK...but thats just one or two instances of voter fraud." "OK...fine...but its not enough to justify voter IDs." "OK...fine...whatever...you guys are all just racist" (irony lost that rats seem to have this predetermined notion that black people are too ****ing stupid and inept to know how to get an ID card).
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No, not black people. Just conservatives who view every microbe as though it is Mt. Everest and don't have the critical thinking skills to understand that the very little voter fraud that does occur takes place through the mail in the form of absentee ballots which voter ID laws do ZERO to address. Instead they propose a ridiculous, expensive, and easy to circumvent solution for an extremely rare problem. But you go on believing that the old bag checking IDs with her coke bottle glasses is going to catch that one guy with a fake ID every few years who shows up to commit in person voter fraud.
 
upsideguy said:
Where do I pretend to know 'exactly what he did'.... That said, I do BELIEVE at the end of the day, we will see financial entanglements between the Trump family and the Russian government that most of us will find rather appalling (and some will label as emoluments).... I do not purport to know this, but its completely consistent with what I know about the Trump Organization, the real estate business and Trump's behaviors.
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In other words, you admit that there is no evidence of anything and that liberals find Trump appalling and that as a businessman, he has done business with Russia and many other countries in the world.
 
Casca XV said:
Ya, a fool who policies and proposed policies have created the best economy we have had in 10 years and whose opponents can only answer with fake Russia allegations and bitching about tweeting.

Low poll numbers from pollsters who gave Hillary a 90+% chance of winning. Even with that Trump has a higher approval than Bill Clinton did at this same time.

The average person likes him tweeting, Dems hate it because he bypasses the Leftist MSM.
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Oh no, Dems love it when he tweets. Saves them a lot of work.
 
Moderate Right said:
In other words, you admit that there is no evidence of anything and that liberals find Trump appalling and that as a businessman, he has done business with Russia and many other countries in the world.
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There evidence of many things, but no case has been formed. Be patient!

Moreover, having your fortunes tied to a foreign state, particularly an enemy state, puts you jeopardy of emolument violations (if not worse). I predict when those come to light, Trump will be dumped.

BTW. More than 1/2 of America finds Trump appalling, including liberals, conservatives and those in the middle, which will be the primary reason Trump gets dumped.
 
MrPeanut said:
Did we read the same article?

Curry said it's unclear how many problematic applications were submitted, but that it was "a relatively small number" of the 45,000 applications the group said it collected in Indiana.

Where did the descriptor massive come from? I agree with the part of the article that target the quota system as the biggest problem. They were only paid 50 bucks for 5 hours of work, and if they didn't meet quota they could be terminated. Did they really expect there would be no false registrations with a rule like that?
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How much should you pay someone to be sure that not violating the law is a reasonable expectation?
 
OlNate said:
I was kidding about my reaction to the story, because I knew donuts like you would explode in butthurt. Which is why I said I love that you are part of this forum...you never disappoint. :)
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Suuuuuure you did. You arent just changing your tune because you know how stupid your comments look.

Got it.
 
Napoleon said:
No, not black people. Just conservatives who view every microbe as though it is Mt. Everest and don't have the critical thinking skills to understand that the very little voter fraud that does occur takes place through the mail in the form of absentee ballots which voter ID laws do ZERO to address. Instead they propose a ridiculous, expensive, and easy to circumvent solution for an extremely rare problem. But you go on believing that the old bag checking IDs with her coke bottle glasses is going to catch that one guy with a fake ID every few years who shows up to commit in person voter fraud.
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I wonder if you really believe you dont look stupid tripping over yourself to defend these criminal acts that the rat party keeps getting caught up in.
 
upsideguy said:
The economy was strong heading into the Trump presidency. He has done almost nothing to either enhance it or screw it up.

Perhaps you would like to tell us which piece of legislation is fueling our growth...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation?field_legislation_status_value=0&page=1

Maybe its S.J.Res. 35 - Joint Resolution providing for the appointment of Michael Govan as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.... that one took some heavy lifting.

I am not going to educate you on the difference between election polls and opinion polls, its probably over your head anyway, but if you are interested I posted on this numerous times on this board, including in the last three weeks. Nonetheless, may I point out that if one has a 10% of winning and actually wins, it doesn't mean the polls were wrong as they acknowledged that chance to win. Moreover, Fivethityeight showed Trump with a 29% chance of a victory, which is one in three. A one in three chance that comes home is hardly a 'shock'

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Bear in mind that the finally polls had Hillary +2, which was her margin of victory in the total... pretty spot on.

Maybe the "surprise" was because the Russians really did cook the election; kind of like the 1919 World Series. There is no "fake" allegations about the Russian intereference in our elections. It happened. Frankly, it amounts to act of war. We just need to assess the damage and make sure it doesn't happen again.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

The 'average person' disapproves of Trump's job performance (57% at last count) and 69% says his should stop tweeting (gleaned from a site that Trump supporters seem to be perversely interested in --- https://sputniknews.com/us/201706071054406051-us-trum--twitter-poll/)

I suggest, sir, that it is you that is out of touch.
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WOW..I don't know where to start. Your source from 3 months ago has nothing to do with the economy. Right now the DOW is at record high, real unemployment is dropping, and average income is increasing.

24 hours before the election the New York Time, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC all said Hillary had a 90+% chance of winning.

Your source for Trumps approval and Tweeting is a Russian news agency ,,....,oops that's embarrassing .
 
Casca XV said:
Your source for Trumps approval and Tweeting is a Russian news agency ,,....,oops that's embarrassing .
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Wait, I thought Russia was our bff? Now you don't trust them. It's getting hard to keep track of what you guys think.
 
upsideguy said:
There evidence of many things, but no case has been formed. Be patient!

Moreover, having your fortunes tied to a foreign state, particularly an enemy state, puts you jeopardy of emolument violations (if not worse). I predict when those come to light, Trump will be dumped.

BTW. More than 1/2 of America finds Trump appalling, including liberals, conservatives and those in the middle, which will be the primary reason Trump gets dumped.
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The left's rallying cry with no evidence of anything is, "Be patient, the investigations aren't over yet!".
 
rocket88 said:
Wait, I thought Russia was our bff? Now you don't trust them. It's getting hard to keep track of what you guys think.
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Actually I think they are or could be (since the Russia hacking thing is now proven a lie). you were the one bad mouthing them and then using them as a source.
 
Moderate Right said:
In other words, you admit that there is no evidence of anything and that liberals find Trump appalling and that as a businessman, he has done business with Russia and many other countries in the world.
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Actually there is plenty of evidence of all sorts of things, especially obstruction of justice. There is also plenty of evidence that is not in the public domain, which explains why the investigation is staffing up. That evidence just has not been formulated into a case.

Don't worry, Robert Mueller is on it. He is staffing up, including hiring experts on criminal fraud (Andrew Weissmann, chief of the Criminal Division's fraud section, who served as former director of the Enron Task Force and general counsel under Mueller at the FBI) and criminal law (Michael Dreeben, who has argued more than 100 cases before the Supreme Court, is the department's go-to lawyer on criminal justice cases and is highly respected by Democrats and Republicans because of his encyclopedic knowledge of criminal law.)

They ain't hiring guns because the case is dead-ended. Whether Trump is in the cross-hairs remains to be seen. At the very least, however, it will be a very poor reflection on his ability to run a White House much less a country. In spite of your wishful thinking, this ain't going away and based on your posts, you know that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ce-official-said-to-jump-to-russia-probe-team
'Brilliant' criminal law expert joins Mueller's team on Russia probe - Chicago Tribune
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ddbd8359dee_story.html?utm_term=.5911a0da6ae8


BTW, for impeachment, there need not be a crime as defined by criminal statues; just a "crime" as defined by congress at the time.
 
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upsideguy said:
The economy was strong heading into the Trump presidency. He has done almost nothing to either enhance it or screw it up.

Perhaps you would like to tell us which piece of legislation is fueling our growth...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation?field_legislation_status_value=0&page=1

Maybe its S.J.Res. 35 - Joint Resolution providing for the appointment of Michael Govan as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution.... that one took some heavy lifting.
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Businesses Leaders: they include company CEO’s, investors, businessmen, small business owners, etc.

There is no group of people in America or the world who are more attuned to how future proposed and current political policy affects their interests.

Business Leaders reacted to Obama’s reelection by announcing layoffs and business contractions. We had four more years of a stagnate economy. What limited economic success America did have was despite not because of Obama.

Within 24 hours of Trumps win the Stock market was at record highs with investors chanting “Lock her Up”. Business Leaders announced plans for expansions and new hiring.

Trump eliminating Obama’s executive orders and pulling America out of bad deals like the Paris Climate Accords have created the best overall economy and optimism America has seen in 10 years. If he gets his planned tax cuts he will have created the best economy we have had since the 80s.
 
Casca XV said:
WOW..I don't know where to start. Your source from 3 months ago has nothing to do with the economy. Right now the DOW is at record high, real unemployment is dropping, and average income is increasing.

24 hours before the election the New York Time, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC all said Hillary had a 90+% chance of winning.

Your source for Trumps approval and Tweeting is a Russian news agency ,,....,oops that's embarrassing .
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What are you talking about???

You made some comment suggesting that Trump was responsible for the current economy. As it is exceptionally rare that a president can positively and noticeably impact an economy during his first six months, I post the list of signed legislation from WhiteHouse.gov. I asked you to tell me what element of legislation was responsible for the current economy. You could not. Not surprising as their is none. The current economy is on the same trajectory that started seven years ago during the Obama administration. Trump gets ZERO (almost zero, as he hasn't screwed it up) for the current economic state. His performance isn't relevant until later this year.

I agree the Wash Post and NY Times overstated Hillary's chances. Again, Fivethirtyeight, the best in the business said it was 70-30%, with a 30% payoff hardly a shock. I posted support for my assertion, you did not.... the 70-30 is the official number on the table. Again, the national poll on Clinton was spot on.... but election polls are far more complex (more prone to error) than opinion polls as an election polls is a combination opinion poll and voter turnout forecast.

I deliberately posted the sputnik reference and told you that some of the wackadoos on the right will believe sputnik over the NY Times, because they have wandered that far into the Forest of Delusion..... but, worry not, the same article is available in the Washington Examiner (pretty much a rag, but probably means something to you)... No, people HATE the fact that Trump can't stop playing with his Tweeter. More than half our population thinks he is hurting national security....

Poll: 69 percent of voters think Trump uses Twitter too much

Again, Trump's approval rating is sliding.... 38% approve, but more importantly 58% disapprove (almost a solid majority)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
 
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Casca XV said:
Businesses Leaders: they include company CEO’s, investors, businessmen, small business owners, etc.

There is no group of people in America or the world who are more attuned to how future proposed and current political policy affects their interests.

Business Leaders reacted to Obama’s reelection by announcing layoffs and business contractions. We had four more years of a stagnate economy. What limited economic success America did have was despite not because of Obama.

Within 24 hours of Trumps win the Stock market was at record highs with investors chanting “Lock her Up”. Business Leaders announced plans for expansions and new hiring.

Trump eliminating Obama’s executive orders and pulling America out of bad deals like the Paris Climate Accords have created the best overall economy and optimism America has seen in 10 years. If he gets his planned tax cuts he will have created the best economy we have had since the 80s.
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Ya got nothing. No tangible evidence of your assertion, no specific action of Trump you can identify and explain how it impacted the economy..... you can't even identify a change in our economy since Trump took office as there is no change... we are continuing along the trajectory set during the Obama Administration.

Yes the stock market is up.... completely consistent with the record gains it achieved during the Obama administration. If Trump reversing Obama executive orders is a big positive change then why is there NO evidence that Obama EO's hurt the economy? They didn't. You have no argument. You are just a Trump fan and want to give him credit.

The tax cuts are beyond wishful thinking... they will not happen, and if they did, are expected to grossly increase deficits, not help the economy. Moreover, what is often lost on Republicans is the demographic (aging population are not consumers) and socio-economic changes (growing wealth disparity removed discretionary income from economy) in our US since 1980 that means 3% growth is quite likely unattainable. Moreover, you are not going to get 3% growth out of an economy that has not seen a recession in 9 years..... slower, steadier growth is actually preferrable to rapid growth followed by recession. Trump and his Trumpty Dumpties have almost clue about economics.

I do give Trump some credit for the current economy: he hasn't screwed anything up, yet. But the current economy was set into motion before Romney even ran.
 
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upsideguy said:
Actually there is plenty of evidence of all sorts of things, especially obstruction of justice. There is also plenty of evidence that is not in the public domain, which explains why the investigation is staffing up. That evidence just has not been formulated into a case.

Don't worry, Robert Mueller is on it. He is staffing up, including hiring experts on criminal fraud (Andrew Weissmann, chief of the Criminal Division's fraud section, who served as former director of the Enron Task Force and general counsel under Mueller at the FBI) and criminal law (Michael Dreeben, who has argued more than 100 cases before the Supreme Court, is the department's go-to lawyer on criminal justice cases and is highly respected by Democrats and Republicans because of his encyclopedic knowledge of criminal law.)

They ain't hiring guns because the case is dead-ended. Whether Trump is in the cross-hairs remains to be seen. At the very least, however, it will be a very poor reflection on his ability to run a White House much less a country. In spite of your wishful thinking, this ain't going away and based on your posts, you know that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ce-official-said-to-jump-to-russia-probe-team
'Brilliant' criminal law expert joins Mueller's team on Russia probe - Chicago Tribune
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ddbd8359dee_story.html?utm_term=.5911a0da6ae8


BTW, for impeachment, there need not be a crime as defined by criminal statues; just a "crime" as defined by congress at the time.
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If there was evidence Trump would already be impeached or locked up. Even Comey refused to say that Trump obstructed justice and all other inelligence heads said that Trump did not obstruct justice. Only the rabid liberal left says he did.
 
truthatallcost said:
Bingo. They're trying to blame this on the minimum wage earning canvassers that they hire and stage outside of WalMart who will sign anybody up to vote.

The group that has ties to Reid & Clinton threatened the canvassers with being fired if they didn't register at least 10 new people per shift.

They managed to register 45,000 new voters before November 8.
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They managed to register 45,000 new voters before November 8.



Poor and dark skinned voters in Pence's state, that was the problem for them. Less than 15 of those registrations were iffy, and by law, they must all be turned in, for obvious reasons. But hey, ours is a banana republic.
 
Moderate Right said:
If there was evidence Trump would already be impeached or locked up. Even Comey refused to say that Trump obstructed justice and all other inelligence heads said that Trump did not obstruct justice. Only the rabid liberal left says he did.
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You really lack an understanding of the criminal justice system and Washington. Things do not move that quickly.

Again, I doubt Mueller would be hiring the big legals guns on criminal fraud and criminal litigation unless he thinks this a big deal. You know its a big deal too, you just want it to go away out of personal fear. Fear not! Justice will be served.

BTW... In no scenario is Trump locked up or criminally charged. He may or may not be impeached, however. He will, most assuredly be disgraced, but he pretty much does that to himself every time he plays with his tweeter.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left's rallying cry with no evidence of anything is, "Be patient, the investigations aren't over yet!".
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Was not the same with the right regarding Hillary and Obama? How many lawsuits did Obama face regarding where he was born? How many investigations into everything Hillary did, yet nothing came from them.

Trump is going to face the payback from what was done the previous 8 years which was payback for the 8 years previous, which was payback for the previous 8 years. After GB1 federal politics has gotten worse and worse each and every election cycle. I am certain it will not improve during the Trump admin
 
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