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Comey will stop short of saying Trump obstructed justice in Flynn probe, source says

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Conservative said:
Seems I am the one on topic, you ignore even the thread topic which is that Comey will not claim obstruction and there cannot be any obstruction without a law being broken. Your comments are purely partisan out of hatred for a pro growth, pro jobs, pro national security agenda simply because you hate the elected President. The true question is why can't you stay relevant claiming there is something there that logic and common sense says doesn't exist
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Comey just hung an obstruction collar on Trump, since you can't be bothered to keep up with things.

That, I think we should move the US capitol to North Dakota.

And there should be penalties for people who put clothes on pets.

French toast is not made of algebra.

Any other irrelevancies I can help you with?
 
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Conservative said:
This isn't the first thread on the topic that you have posted in as you have a lot of passion for a non issue. So no laws broken, Russia doing nothing, the election wasn't hacked nor were votes, so why are you spending every moment on any thread that insinuates something different. Are you telling me that you hope that there were laws broken, Trump obstructed justice, and that you don't want him impeached?
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Still not talking about anything I said. How about you not derail this thread with your looney OT rants?
 
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Conservative said:
The article has e everything to do with whether or not any laws were broken and precedent being set.

So now it is about vote machine hacking? Were any votes changed and where is there proof Trump was involved is suspected hacking?

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So, again your point in sharing the linked article was to illustrate that "this isn't the first time a foreign government has tried to influence a U.S. presidential election". As I stated previously, point taken.

Since this thread isn't about the Russian investigation at-large into suspected Russian interference in our 2016 presidential election nor the propaganda machine that came along with it, I don't feel compelled to answer your question here. However, if you wish to start another thread covering those issues, I'll be more than happy to join you in that discussion. Meanwhile, I've responded appropriately I think concerning the question of what I believe Comey will say at tomorrow's SIC hearing (6/8/2017) and whether I think Trump was obstructing the investigation or interfering with it. Unless and until things change in the immediate future, I'll let my post (#150) concerning the matter stand AS-IS.
 
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poweRob said:
Still not talking about anything I said. How about you not derail this thread with your looney OT rants?
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So tell me why you are on this thread and every other thread talking about Comey and Russian hacking? I have responded to exactly what you have said and pointed out how logic and common sense prove you wrong
 
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Conservative said:
So tell me why you are on this thread and every other thread talking about Comey and Russian hacking? I have responded to exactly what you have said and pointed out how logic and common sense prove you wrong
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I'm talking about those being investigated today. Stay on topic.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Comey just hung an obstruction on Trump, since you can't be bothered to keep up with things.

That, I think we should move the US capitol to North Dakota.

And there should be penalties for people who put clothes on pets.

French toast is not made of algebra.

Any other irrelevancies I can help you with?
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Seems that maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit because in order for Obstruction of Justice to take place there has to be an alleged criminal action and as pointed out Russian interference isn't a violation of any law nor is the interaction between an American citizen and any foreign government. Just because you want it to be a violation of the law doesn't make it one. What you can explain to me is why you hate Trump so much? Are you illegally in this country?
 
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poweRob said:
Still not talking about anything I said. How about you not derail this thread with your looney OT rants?
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I sense a disturbing trend in the Cheeto Force.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
I sense a disturbing trend in the Cheeto Force.
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Gonna probably have to put him on ignore until he starts making sense. I dont intend to let him derail the thread.
 
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poweRob said:
I'm talking about those being investigated today. Stay on topic.
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Investigated for what? How about answering the question, what are these people being investigated for and what laws were broken for as I pointed out foreign governments have interfered in US elections, voting machines cannot be hacked and there is no law preventing a US citizen from meeting with any foreign government. As for the claim of potential blackmail, basic civics explains the three equal branches of government and why that isn't a valid concern just like the attack in Syria shows Trump willing to do what is necessary in spite of Russia to keep our troops and country safe
 
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poweRob said:
Gonna probably have to put him on ignore until he starts making sense. I dont intend to let him derail the thread.
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LOL, derailing the thread? Yep, posting logic and common sense certainly is a problem for you. Rather sad that people like you have so much invested in a non issue and such hatred for the President. Did you ever think that just maybe your statement wasn't clear and it is impossible to make sense to a liberal using the rule of law, basic civics, logic, and common sense? Comey himself has stated that Trump didn't obstruct justice so what more do you want? I am saying there can be no obstruction of justice if there isn't a criminal act under investigation. Prove me wrong
 
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Conservative said:
On the issue of hacking into our voting machines let's let a computer geek explain it to you and then you tell me if the Russians didn't know that and why hacking is an issue

Can Voting Machines Be Hacked?
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Why are you going out of your way to try and convince me of a historical pattern of foreign entities interfering in our country's election process or how hacking into voting machines occur? On the former, I was already well aware that such attempts have occurred throughout history. We've even done it ourselves on a much grander scale (i.e., "spreading democracy abroad"). As to hacking voting machines, I'm well aware it can't happen via hacking since most of our voting machines are standalone devices at best, intranet connected at best. About the only way it happens is to reprogram the machines. Moreover, if you can get to the vendor source for the machines, you can cause major disruptions in the voting process and there's been plenty of reports alleging that's happened before including a reported recent attempt by the Russians to do it. Of course, in order to succeed you'd have to change the software or add hardware to the main board:

“If you had access to the machine's motherboard and logic chips, you could theoretically change out the hardware and get it to perform any way you wanted (although to my knowledge this has never been fully demonstrated with this machine). But you'd have to gain physical interior access to literally every machine you wanted to affect. These machines cannot be networked; there is no chance of infecting one with a virus and having that malevolent code spread to any other machine.”
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Source: Can Voting Machines Be Hacked?

Suffice it to say, I get your point but I don't see the relevance of such matters to this thread. Still, I'll answer your questions: Were votes changed? No; there's no prove of that having occurred. But the attempt by a foreign power was made. That should be sufficient to concern any true American patriot.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
It's just stunning that you need to be reminded of this simple fact almost hour-by-hour: investigations are ongoing. There are several possible laws that could have been broken, and you've been advised of that fact over and over again here.

And yet more irrelevancy. I'm starting to see a trend line here....

No need to keep exchanging posts if you're not able/unwilling to be rational and cogent.
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As much leaking that has been going on, I don't believe an bombshells have been overlooked.
 
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Conservative said:
Seems that maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit because in order for Obstruction of Justice to take place there has to be an alleged criminal action and as pointed out Russian interference isn't a violation of any law nor is the interaction between an American citizen and any foreign government. Just because you want it to be a violation of the law doesn't make it one. What you can explain to me is why you hate Trump so much? Are you illegally in this country?
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LOL! The reading comprehension difficulty seems to be on your part: I wasn't alluding to anything to do with the Russians when I mentioned OOJ.

And, since you apparently missed it, OOJ is against the law.

Why is it you hate our criminal justice system so much? Do you have a felony record?
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! The reading comprehension difficulty seems to be on your part: I wasn't alluding to anything to do with the Russians when I mentioned OOJ.

And, since you apparently missed it, OOJ is against the law.

Why is it you hate our criminal justice system so much? Do you have a felony record?
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OOJ? Again what criminal justice law was violated? What is going to be your next attack on the President?

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Conservative said:
OOJ? Again what criminal justice law was violated? What is going to be your next attack on the President?

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What don't you understand about the fact that OOJ is a violation of criminal law.

Look, you're so out in left field and so utterly unable to address things that I or other states that I simply don't see a point in continuing.

Ever.

Good luck!
 
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Erod said:
How could he claim obstruction after already denying obstruction?

It matters not. CNN and MSNBC already have their predetermined narrative and marching orders no matter what he says.

He could recite the alphabet, and they'd claim this exposes Trump in some way.
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I was just watching Fox. You know, the original Fake News.

You made no mention of their narrative. It was in fine form I can assure you.

Your partisan hackery is duly noted.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
What don't you understand about the fact that OOJ is a violation of criminal law.

Look, you're so out in left field and so utterly unable to address things that I or other states that I simply don't see a point in continuing.

Ever.

Good luck!
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Yes, Obstruction of Justice is a violation of the law but in order for there to be obstruction there has to be a violation of the law or an illegal act under investigation. You have offered none. It isn't Illegal for a foreign government to try and influence our elections as I posted the link to regarding Great Britain which of course you ignored. This is all about Trump, your hatred for Trump the person and total ignorance of his agenda and what truly is important in this country today, economic growth, jobs, and national security. Just admit exactly what you want and stop beating around the bush, this isn't about your concern about another other than getting rid of Trump to get back to the status quo you so much cherish. You liked Obama for what he said and totally ignored his results, now you hate Trump for what he says and totally ignore what he has proposed and is doing. This is today's Democratic Playbook and it is sickening.
 
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All his testimony is going to prove is that he should have been fired as FBI director because he has 0 sense of ethics when it comes to
dealing in high priority cases.

Again instead of doing his job he is going to cow tow to the powers in charge instead of being director of the FBI.

If Clinton committed a criminal act then he shou ld have pressed for charges and be done with it.
If Trump committed a criminal act then he should have pressed for charges and be done with it.

the fact that he has now failed 2 times in upholding the law if there was an law broken.

it proves how incompetent he has become in doing his job.
 
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Objective Voice said:
FYI, Read linked article in OP of this thread. https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...cyberattack-voting-vendor-ahead-election.html
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Great, and that proves that votes were changed? You do know that the voting machines aren't tied to the Internet, don't you? How do you hack an individual voting machine that isn't on the internet? When are you going to call for an investigation into the dead voting and voter rolls not being cleaned up in the states and illegals voting? Seems very selective outrage and ignores all the media votes claiming that votes were not changed.
 
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Objective Voice said:
FYI, Read linked article in OP of this thread. https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...cyberattack-voting-vendor-ahead-election.html
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Did you read the article?

Intelligence agency leaders say that Russia's attacks did not change any actual votes in the 2016 race, but election technology experts have been concerned for years that hackers could attempt to manipulate not only individual voting machines but also other equipment used to run elections, such as those that tabulate votes or keep track of voter registrations.
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Now in addition please point me to the reports that showed confusion at the polling places

Another concern is that even if hackers did not try to change the actual election results, they could undermine confidence in the voting system by causing enough confusion at the polls to raise doubts about the results. That could happen, for example, if voters showed up at the polls to find that their names were not listed or listed incorrectly.
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So what you have done is try and undermine the confidence in the voting system but as stated, I have seen no evidence of confusion at the polls where people showed up and their names weren't listed.
 
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Conservative said:
Did you read the article?



Now in addition please point me to the reports that showed confusion at the polling places



So what you have done is try and undermine the confidence in the voting system but as stated, I have seen no evidence of confusion at the polls where people showed up and their names weren't listed.
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:doh I read the article. I was just providing information to you to support the fact that the Russians did attempt to gain access to voting machines - a claim you all but dismiss. That said, I've already stated - in total agreement with you I might add - that there is no evidence that any vote totals were manipulated in any way. (My post #186 refers)

So, give it a rest already and learn the difference between people sharing information with you vice someone making specific claims.
 
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Objective Voice said:
:doh I read the article. I was just providing information to you to support the fact that the Russians did attempt to gain access to voting machines - a claim you all but dismiss. That said, I've already stated - in total agreement with you I might add - that there is no evidence that any vote totals were manipulated in any way. (My post #186 refers)

So, give it a rest already and learn the difference between people sharing information with you vice someone making specific claims.
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Attempting to gain access has been going on for years according to the article and I don't dismiss the claim but do dismiss the statement by the left that they hacked the election so I agree with the rest of your statement
 
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Conservative said:
Attempting to gain access has been going on for years according to the article and I don't dismiss the claim but do dismiss the statement by the left that they hacked the election so I agree with the rest of your statement
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I don't think Democrats (if any) are claiming that the Russians hacked into our election processes (i.e., voting machines, etc.) and manipulated election results, but there was widespread concern early on that vote tallies might have been changed. That has since been debunked.

All folks are saying now is hacking did take place and it's possible that someone within the Trump campaign rendered assistance to the Russians in some way. This is yet to be proven, of course, but with so many members of Trump's campaign/transition/Cabinet having had contact with Russian government officials - some reported immediately, others discovered after initially going unreported and still other questionable activity by members of his Administration (i.e., Jared Kushner's attempt to communicate with the Russians using their equipment) - it's difficult to see Team Trump as innocent victims in all these.

So, while some on the Right like yourself will undoubtedly continue to back Trump no matter what, others like myself will continue to question his innocence as well as the innocence of many in his Administration. Somebody besides Michael Flynn did something they weren't suppose to. The question is who and what?
 
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Objective Voice said:
I don't think Democrats (if any) are claiming that the Russians hacked into our election processes (i.e., voting machines, etc.) and manipulated election results, but there was widespread concern early on that vote tallies might have been changed. That has since been debunked.

All folks are saying now is hacking did take place and it's possible that someone within the Trump campaign rendered assistance to the Russians in some way. This is yet to be proven, of course, but with so many members of Trump's campaign/transition/Cabinet having had contact with Russian government officials - some reported immediately, others discovered after initially going unreported and still other questionable activity by members of his Administration (i.e., Jared Kushner's attempt to communicate with the Russians using their equipment) - it's difficult to see Team Trump as innocent victims in all these.

So, while some on the Right like yourself will undoubtedly continue to back Trump no matter what, others like myself will continue to question his innocence as well as the innocence of many in his Administration. Somebody besides Michael Flynn did something they weren't suppose to. The question is who and what?
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The question is what is YOUR opinion as to what you think they did? Sorry I don't get it and am not paranoid like many are believing they really aren't either as they just hate Trump

There are a lot more serious problems facing this country than this issue. I voted for change and am happy with my vote for that is what 1 am getting. Too many buy rhetoric and ignore results which is what I am judging Trump on just like I did with Obama

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