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Report: Russia Launched Cyberattack On Voting Vendor Ahead Of Election

ocean515 said:
Stop with the personal attacks. I didn't lie. If you can't make a rational argument to support your position, move on.
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First of all, you claimed that I didn't address anything or counter anything, and that's untrue, false, wrong. A lie? Not sure, but it's impossible to accurately conclude that I didn't address any of your points because I did.

But you're right - I should have used the term accurately instead of dishonestly. My apologies. As I said, it IS possible you just misread the article (and my reply) and misstated the conclusions because of a reading comprehension issue, although I've corrected you on this article before as I recall. If not you someone else because I've read it many times on DP and corrected it many times.

You said the investigation showed "hundreds of dead people have voted year after year in just Los Angeles Country

From the article:

Across all counties, Goldstein uncovered 32 dead voters who cast ballots in eight elections apiece, including a woman who died in 1988.
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So over a period of at least 15 years, the total number of "dead" votes was 265, over a dozen elections or more, in a region with more than 4.2 million registered voters.

It disingenuous and pathetic you resort to such a tactic to cover for your inability to support your position.
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Don't misstate your own article, which you've cited and I've corrected you on before, and I won't point out your errors. Pretty simple.
 
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Erod said:
Liberals have been screaming that there was no election fraud for years, while you continually committed election fraud.

I have little doubt there was plenty of fraud this time.....in California. Illegals and dead people vote in droves in that morally bankrupt hellhole.
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You have been screaming that for years without evidence.

It still comes down to, you don't care because you won.
 
ocean515 said:
:doh

How are they going to get caught? Answer me that.

They successfully steal an ID, which Kevin De Leon, which the most powerful politician in California claims "almost everyone" does, they register to vote using that name, since nobody checks the registration, and then they vote.

How do you think thousands of dead people vote every election cycle? A rotting corpse shows up at the polling place?

There is a numb mind involved here, and you might want to do something about it.
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Again, there is almost no evidence for your rampant speculation. What little evidence we do have demonstrates that what you outline has never affected the outcome of any election.
 
rocket88 said:
You have been screaming that for years without evidence.

It still comes down to, you don't care because you won.
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I care tremendously. And the solution is simple. Voter ID. But, of course, you don't want that.
 
Erod said:
I care tremendously. And the solution is simple. Voter ID. But, of course, you don't want that.
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I have stated many times that ID is fine with me. I don't think It will have the results you're looking for, and Democrats will still be able to win elections.
 
Absentglare said:
Again, there is almost no evidence for your rampant speculation. What little evidence we do have demonstrates that what you outline has never affected the outcome of any election.
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Nor can you dismiss the fact it occurs. You have nothing. An investigation has shown dead people voting by the hundreds in LA County alone, year after year.

I will agree that in California, no election has likely been affected, since they margin of voting is so extreme.

If you notice, I haven't made that claim.
 
rocket88 said:
I have stated many times that ID is fine with me. I don't think It will have the results you're looking for, and Democrats will still be able to win elections.
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Then we both agree on that!
 
ocean515 said:
Nor can you dismiss the fact it occurs. You have nothing. An investigation has shown dead people voting by the hundreds in LA County alone, year after year.

I will agree that in California, no election has likely been affected, since they margin of voting is so extreme.

If you notice, I haven't made that claim.
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That's not true. What you are citing are claims made by people whose "investigation" involves the epiphany that more than one person can have the same name.

Dead people aren't voting en masse. Your conspiracy theory is built on a foundation of bull****.
 
Erod said:
I care tremendously. And the solution is simple. Voter ID. But, of course, you don't want that.
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But it's not simple. You said about California, "Illegals and dead people vote in droves in that morally bankrupt hellhole." The trivial number of "dead people" voting do it through absentee ballots and voter ID doesn't affect that. In fact, almost all the known 'voter fraud' happens through absentee ballot and voter ID in fact will do nothing at all to solve that problem. Our CA voting expert on this thread alleges that illegals get fake ID and can use that to vote. If that's true, then voter ID will similarly do nothing to solve the problem of illegals voting. There's the other issue that most forms of "voter ID" is available to non-citizens, and that evidence of impersonation fraud at the polls at rates above the trivial (i.e. a handful or less in most states per election) does not exist, despite years of efforts by GOPers to prove rampant 'voter fraud.'

Voter ID, and especially strict photo ID, is a solution in search of a problem to solve. The feature of strict voter ID rules is they will require hundreds of thousands of mostly democratic voters to get new ID they don't otherwise need just to vote.
 
Absentglare said:
That's not true. What you are citing are claims made by people whose "investigation" involves the epiphany that more than one person can have the same name.

Dead people aren't voting en masse. Your conspiracy theory is built on a foundation of bull****.
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Yep, we see it every election cycle. Someone goes through the lists and finds "hundreds" of "dead" voters, and announces it in a press release. Some months later, after the errors, Jrs., same names different person, the people who voted absentee just before they died (but before the election), etc. are discovered, the "hundreds" ends up being less than 10, out of millions, so error rates in the 1 'dead' per million votes cast, kind of thing.

And these stats are always cited in defense of photo ID rules, but obviously all the "dead" vote absentee which in most states, even in strict photo ID states, requires NO ID AT ALL.

So the argument is dishonest from start to finish. I.e. typical right wing logic for photo ID rules.
 
JasperL said:
But it's not simple. You said about California, "Illegals and dead people vote in droves in that morally bankrupt hellhole." The trivial number of "dead people" voting do it through absentee ballots and voter ID doesn't affect that. In fact, almost all the known 'voter fraud' happens through absentee ballot and voter ID in fact will do nothing at all to solve that problem. Our CA voting expert on this thread alleges that illegals get fake ID and can use that to vote. If that's true, then voter ID will similarly do nothing to solve the problem of illegals voting. There's the other issue that most forms of "voter ID" is available to non-citizens, and that evidence of impersonation fraud at the polls at rates above the trivial (i.e. a handful or less in most states per election) does not exist, despite years of efforts by GOPers to prove rampant 'voter fraud.'

Voter ID, and especially strict photo ID, is a solution in search of a problem to solve. The feature of strict voter ID rules is they will require hundreds of thousands of mostly democratic voters to get new ID they don't otherwise need just to vote.
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Whatever it takes.

Voting shouldn't be "easy". It should require some level of effort. It's as much a privilege as it is a right, and it should be respected as such.

And driving buses around to lure people in with free stuff in exchange for voting shouldn't be part of the process. I've seen that first hand.
 
Erod said:
Whatever it takes.

Voting shouldn't be "easy". It should require some level of effort. It's as much a privilege as it is a right, and it should be respected as such.
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Nonsense. Making voting hard of inconvenient is not a virtue. It rewards people like retirees who have all day to vote, and discourages parents, people with long hours on the job, etc. from voting. And it's not actually a privilege at all. I know the Constitution doesn't guarantee the "right" to vote but the Constitution does say, "right to vote" repeatedly, and it's treated as a right by our laws and in dozens of cases at the SC.

And driving buses around to lure people in with free stuff in exchange for voting shouldn't be part of the process. I've seen that first hand.
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I'll believe the "free stuff" when I see the evidence for it, but there is nothing wrong with assisting people to the polls who don't have cars or other reliable transportation, unless the point is to discourage the old and disabled and those without cars from voting, which might be your purpose....
 
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JasperL said:
Nonsense. Making voting hard of inconvenient is not a virtue. It rewards people like retirees who have all day to vote, and discourages parents, people with long hours on the job, etc. from voting. And it's not actually a privilege at all. I know the Constitution doesn't guarantee the "right" to vote but the Constitution does say, "right to vote" repeatedly, and it's treated as a right by our laws and in dozens of cases at the SC.



I'll believe the "free stuff" when I see the evidence for it, but there is nothing wrong with assisting people to the polls who don't have cars or other reliable transportation, unless the point is to discourage the old and disabled and those without cars from voting, which might be your purpose....
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My wife's extended family votes every year by getting on a bus that goes around the neighborhood to pick them up. There's free food and drinks on the bus. It's common as can be.

And for crying out loud, you can vote several weeks before election day. Don't tell me folks are too busy to go. Too lazy perhaps.
 
DaveFagan said:
It read like an airball to me. No proof, nada. Zip. Zero. Same day different turd.
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And part of the report clearly said "...not involved in vote tallying"

It's no wonder we come across as fools.
 
Erod said:
My wife's extended family votes every year by getting on a bus that goes around the neighborhood to pick them up. There's free food and drinks on the bus. It's common as can be.
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If they are legal voters, I don't see a problem. My guess is you think they vote mostly for Democrats so you don't like it that someone is making it easier for them to get to the polls.

And for crying out loud, you can vote several weeks before election day. Don't tell me folks are too busy to go. Too lazy perhaps.
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You're arguing for making voting more difficult. It is easy in many places (although some have no early voting at all, or limited early voting) and IMO that's a great thing. We could do better - step one, making election day a national holiday or move to Saturday, when it's easiest for most people to go to the polls.
 
Thoreau72 said:
And part of the report clearly said "...not involved in vote tallying"

It's no wonder we come across as fools.
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Part of the report says they don't know if the hacks affected programs involved in vote tallying.
 
I found this article claiming the government asked for the leaked info not to be published, and then asked to have certain lines redacted.

Report suggests Russia hackers breached voting software firm | WSBT

It also makes a case for that contractor from Georgia being the leaker. In which case I think she is a whistle blower and the info is legite.

Which proves there is evidence about Russia's involvement in our election that isn't being shared, making Trump supporters claims that their is zero evidence moot.
 
Absentglare said:
That's not true. What you are citing are claims made by people whose "investigation" involves the epiphany that more than one person can have the same name.

Dead people aren't voting en masse. Your conspiracy theory is built on a foundation of bull****.
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LOL.

Once again, you make a claim based on nothing. Zip. Nada.

Continuing to make the same claims doesn't change that.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL.

Once again, you make a claim based on nothing. Zip. Nada.

Continuing to make the same claims doesn't change that.
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That's ironic, you didn't cite anything for your claim that i'm contesting.
 
Absentglare said:
That's ironic, you didn't cite anything for your claim that i'm contesting.
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LOL

I provide a link to a video of the most powerful person in the California Legislature admitting that almost every illegal alien uses stolen identities. I provided a link to another poster detailing an investigation showing thousands of votes have been cast over the last few election cycles by dead people, many of whom voted in multiple elections.

Obviously, if dead people can register and vote, over and over, there is little oversight and few, if any, checks and balances to insure a voter has a legal standing to vote. I've connected the fact illegal aliens use stolen identities, which would make it very simple to register using this fake, but otherwise legitimate looking ID.

All you do is say NO. Based on nothing.

What's ironic is that you think you've made a cogent argument, when all you have done is avoid making any logical argument at all.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I found this article claiming the government asked for the leaked info not to be published, and then asked to have certain lines redacted.

Report suggests Russia hackers breached voting software firm | WSBT

It also makes a case for that contractor from Georgia being the leaker. In which case I think she is a whistle blower and the info is legite.

Which proves there is evidence about Russia's involvement in our election that isn't being shared, making Trump supporters claims that their is zero evidence moot.
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Good point.

My position is that just as the US meddles in foreign elections, whether by electronic snooping/hacking or other means, so too do virtually all other countries with spy agencies. Just guessing as I'm not involved, but most spy agencies likely do the same.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

I provide a link to a video of the most powerful person in the California Legislature admitting that almost every illegal alien uses stolen identities. I provided a link to another poster detailing an investigation showing thousands of votes have been cast over the last few election cycles by dead people, many of whom voted in multiple elections.

Obviously, if dead people can register and vote, over and over, there is little oversight and few, if any, checks and balances to insure a voter has a legal standing to vote. I've connected the fact illegal aliens use stolen identities, which would make it very simple to register using this fake, but otherwise legitimate looking ID.

All you do is say NO. Based on nothing.

What's ironic is that you think you've made a cogent argument, when all you have done is avoid making any logical argument at all.
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Okay, i'll cite someone saying that water is wet, and that will have about the same relevance as your ****ty strawman about identity theft.

Dead people don't vote in elections. Living people who happen to have the same name as a dead person might vote.
 
Absentglare said:
Okay, i'll cite someone saying that water is wet, and that will have about the same relevance as your ****ty strawman about identity theft.

Dead people don't vote in elections. Living people who happen to have the same name as a dead person might vote.
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You've offered no proof period to prove your claim.

I'm done having to respond to this very poor level of debate from you.

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