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Saudi-Led Alliance Cuts Ties With Qatar

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Saudi Arabia and three other Arab countries cut off most diplomatic and economic ties to Qatar in an unprecedented move designed to punish one of the region’s financial superpowers for its ties with Iran and Islamist groups in the region.

Oil jumped after Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt said in statements they will suspend air and sea travel to and from Qatar. Saudi Arabia will also shut land crossings with its neighbor, potentially depriving the emirate of imports through its only land border.

Qatar is one of the world’s richest countries and of strategic importance, being the biggest producer of liquefied natural gas and home to one of the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds. It also hosts CENTCOM, the U.S. military’s central command in the Middle East.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ance-cuts-qatar-ties-as-gulf-crisis-escalates


Trump is going to get blamed for this by the DC ELITE just as sure as the sun comeS up tomorrow, will Qatar believe it, get the idea to toss USA out?

Maybe, what we say about our President matters.

But how many people know that?

"Have Ya'll lost your minds?"

Putin(paraphrased)





Monday’s action is an escalation of a crisis that started shortly after Trump’s last month trip to Saudi Arabia, where he and King Salman singled out Iran as the world’s main sponsor of terrorism.
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ance-cuts-qatar-ties-as-gulf-crisis-escalates


Trump is going to get blamed for this by the DC ELITE just as sure as the sun comeS up tomorrow, will Qatar believe it, get the idea to toss our military out?

Maybe, what we say about our President matters.

But how many people know that?

"Have Ya'll lost your minds?"

Putin(paraphrased)

"Ties to Iran...blah, blah, blah".

Qatar supports moderate Islam. Saudi Arabia promotes Wahhabism, a branch of Islamic thought that's prone to breed terrorists.
 
"Ties to Iran...blah, blah, blah".

Qatar supports moderate Islam. Saudi Arabia promotes Wahhabism, a branch of Islamic thought that's prone to breed terrorists.

I dont have any idea if the base charge against Qatar is true, but I am worried that efforts to make our President look bad with this to soften him up for the impeachment will make us lose this base, thus force us to flee the region faster than we would otherwise.
 
Things were headed this way for quite some time.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ance-cuts-qatar-ties-as-gulf-crisis-escalates


Trump is going to get blamed for this by the DC ELITE just as sure as the sun comeS up tomorrow, will Qatar believe it, get the idea to toss USA out?

Maybe, what we say about our President matters.

But how many people know that?

"Have Ya'll lost your minds?"

Putin(paraphrased)

Of course it matters, what Americans say about their President. But many in the media think that their derogatory decrying of their President is harmless or justified by their own political priorities. That this destroys the credibility of our country in the world seems as worthwhile as did Manning's treachery to him.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ance-cuts-qatar-ties-as-gulf-crisis-escalates


Trump is going to get blamed for this by the DC ELITE just as sure as the sun comeS up tomorrow, will Qatar believe it, get the idea to toss USA out?

Maybe, what we say about our President matters.

But how many people know that?

"Have Ya'll lost your minds?"

Putin(paraphrased)

The US has no real friends in the Middle East. All we truly have are enemies, some of which are more open about their enmity than others. None of which shed a tear when we were attacked on 9/11. Some of which allow us to have military bases in their country for their own benefit, not ours. Qatar being one of those countries, as is Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and others. The US 5th Fleet is headquartered in Bahrain, and CENTCOM's AORHQ is in Qatar. The USAF and the US Army have bases in almost every country in the Middle East and many in Northern Africa, with the forward Africa AORHQ of AFRICOM and the regional AORHQ for SOCOM being right across the Bab al-Mandab Straight and the Gulf of Aden from Yemen, in Djibouti.

The Sunni based terrorists (al Qaeda, ISIS, etc.) get a hell of a lot of their funding and fighters from Saudi Arabia and many of our "allies" in the Middle East. However, as this event shows, the Shi'ite based terrorists (Hezbollah, Al-Houthi front, etc.) get a hell of a lot of their funding and fighters from both allies of the US and enemies of the US, like Iran.

The only, IMHO, redeeming quality of Shi'a Islam's extremists is that their clerics preach that Muslims should adapt to the modern world, whereas Sunni extremists are still stuck in the 7th Century. Both of which, however, feel that the Western World which includes the US and all of Europe must be converted or die.

The problem for the US in all of this, is that in reality we are much better off maintaining relationships with all of the Middle Eastern countries that will ally themselves with us for what ever reason, than we are to extricate ourselves from the area and lose any potential of influence we may have in the region.

Looking around that region, with the number of armed conflicts the US is involved in militarily, it is difficult to see the truth, which is that if it were not for the influence of the US and other Western powers, the Middle East would have imploded upon itself long ago. The tribal conflicts of centuries of hatred and sectarian violence between Sunni and Shi'a would have made the region unviable for commerce. In other words, yes, it's about oil. Oil is the blood of modern commerce, and without it, the world's economy would come to a violent, painful, and deadly halt.

I have no idea how Trump and his embrace of the family Saud plays into this. From what I can see, based on the way this has grown over the last year, Trump really didn't have a hand in the creation of this tear in international relations, although I'm sure it will be spun that way by some. I do, however, feel that the Saudi's may have felt more comfortable taking this action after meeting with Trump, but I don't think that affected them as to whether they would cut off relations with Qatar or not, but it may have effected the timing. In other words, from what I can tell, this was going to happen anyway. Trump's friendly visit to the Saudi's, if it affected anything at all, may have allowed them to move quicker then they had previous planned.

International Relations are a always cabal of differing interests that when those interests can be merged together for the mutual benefit of two or more countries, can lead to alliances between otherwise non-friendly actors for the benefit of each other. The Soviet Union and the other Allies in WWII is a great example. The US and Saudi Arabia in modern times is another. As long as the relationship is mutually beneficial, then the relationship will continue. If that changes, then there will be no love lost when the parties part ways.
 
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Trump is going to get blamed for this by the DC ELITE just as sure as the sun comeS up tomorrow, will Qatar believe it, get the idea to toss USA out?
Maybe, what we say about our President matters.
I dont have any idea if the base charge against Qatar is true, but I am worried that efforts to make our President look bad with this to soften him up for the impeachment will make us lose this base, thus force us to flee the region faster than we would otherwise.

The things Donald says, does, and tweets do far more to damage his image than anything the media can throw at him. He's not a victim.

We should also not be best buds with Saudi Arabia, they are the #1 exporter of radical islamic terrorism and are absolutely atrocious when it comes to human rights. If they weren't drowning in all of that sweet black oil we want, we wouldn't tolerate their planning and execution of 9/11 nor their intentional exportation of terrorist ideals and terrorists.
 
If the West is serious about stamping out terrorism, why dont we cut our ties with the states that sponsor and encourage them too: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Isreal.
 
The things Donald says, does, and tweets do far more to damage his image than anything the media can throw at him. He's not a victim.

We should also not be best buds with Saudi Arabia, they are the #1 exporter of radical islamic terrorism and are absolutely atrocious when it comes to human rights. If they weren't drowning in all of that sweet black oil we want, we wouldn't tolerate their planning and execution of 9/11 nor their intentional exportation of terrorist ideals and terrorists.

I am not talking about his image, I am talking about losing a base because the Trump Haters dont give two ****s about anything but getting Trump.

That's my fear, time will tell, but we know how it's been going dont we...
 
Ladies & gentlemen.. clench when you bend over. This political farce, sh*tshow is going to be one hell of a ride.
 
Ladies & gentlemen.. clench when you bend over. This political farce, sh*tshow is going to be one hell of a ride.

The air sure smells that way dont it!
 
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Ladies & gentlemen.. clench when you bend over. This political farce, sh*tshow is going to be one hell of a ride.

It has been for the past 16 years.

This particular show does have a unique set of characters though.
 
"Ties to Iran...blah, blah, blah".

Qatar supports moderate Islam. Saudi Arabia promotes Wahhabism, a branch of Islamic thought that's prone to breed terrorists.

Probably more down to Al Jazeera and its supposed role in the Arab Spring than anything else
 
Probably more down to Al Jazeera and its supposed role in the Arab Spring than anything else

It goes far deeper than Al Jazeera.
There is a ridiculous amount of money originating from Qatar making its way to various Islamist organizations in the region and around the world.
This creates violence that creates instability which isn't very good for the neighboring countries.
While the Emir and government of Qatar say they oppose extremism, reality shows that their actual agenda is to promote exactly that.
 
It goes far deeper than Al Jazeera.
There is a ridiculous amount of money originating from Qatar making its way to various Islamist organizations in the region and around the world.
This creates violence that creates instability which isn't very good for the neighboring countries.
While the Emir and government of Qatar say they oppose extremism, reality shows that their actual agenda is to promote exactly that.

Did Iran just pick up a wealthy friend?
 
And so the Gulf continues to radicalize and empower Iran. If anyone thinks both Saudi Arabia and Iran are mutually and unconsciously pushing for a regional revival of the Persian Empire they are correct.
 
With any luck this will escalate tensions between the Sunni and Shia sects, which are fond of bombing each other. The only culpability I see in Trump is that he was leaning on the Emirate to put more power into fighting terrorism. Hence, rather than deal with their own wahabism SA can use that as an excuse to go after the Muslim groups they usually consider terrorists.
 
I dont have any idea if the base charge against Qatar is true, but I am worried that efforts to make our President look bad with this to soften him up for the impeachment will make us lose this base, thus force us to flee the region faster than we would otherwise.

Irony? Yeah, it's like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron...

Is it good for the US? That's the question - and that's how you judge any president. Kinda bass ackwards to try to make sure the president looks good, rather than worry if the country is doing well. This is true of foreign affairs as much as domestic.

That said, I'd have to see what the ramifications are and how Trump handles them. We are rapidly losing our place as a world leader - you can't close off to the world and expect them to still follow your lead. China and Russia will be picking up a lot of the slack - and I suspect that if the various countries that once comprised the Ottoman Empire (destroyed in WWI) can get their **** together then they too will become a world power.

As for the US - right now I would say we are on the path of post WWII England. England putts along as a minor player - negligible outside the EU. We spend so little in science and technology that most of the world will have a huge economic advantage. Most countries invest in that area, and get an economic lift from that investment. SA and Qatar don't need to invest because they have oil. So what we want is fast becoming immaterial - we are giving away our international power with both hands.
 
It has been for the past 16 years.

This particular show does have a unique set of characters though.

I know right? I would like to equate them to like a star wars movie character list.. but then that would lead to a meme of Trump dressed like Palpatine saying the "Do it!" voice over and over.
 
It goes far deeper than Al Jazeera.
There is a ridiculous amount of money originating from Qatar making its way to various Islamist organizations in the region and around the world.
This creates violence that creates instability which isn't very good for the neighboring countries.
While the Emir and government of Qatar say they oppose extremism, reality shows that their actual agenda is to promote exactly that.

Their main mission is to support rebels to overthrow the regimes of Saudi Arabia and the like, however Qatar itself has a far more moderate version of Islam.
 
With any luck this will escalate tensions between the Sunni and Shia sects, which are fond of bombing each other. The only culpability I see in Trump is that he was leaning on the Emirate to put more power into fighting terrorism. Hence, rather than deal with their own wahabism SA can use that as an excuse to go after the Muslim groups they usually consider terrorists.

They would never attack Qatar, it would mean fighting the US and the UK.
 
They can make a move on Qatar, continue their proxy war on Yemen. From there it's just Oman and UAE and they'd own the peninsula.
 
I am not talking about his image, I am talking about losing a base because the Trump Haters dont give two ****s about anything but getting Trump.

That's my fear, time will tell, but we know how it's been going dont we...

Really over the top on that one. I realize that for you Trump is like the 2nd coming, and he will cure all ills
 
Really over the top on that one. I realize that for you Trump is like the 2nd coming, and he will cure all ills

I was not speaking of Trump, I was speaking of his haters, who so far are behaving themselves here.

We'll see if it lasts.
 
The hypocrisy displayed is astounding, especially for Saudi Arabia as they almost daily bomb Yemen.
 
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