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China and EU strengthen promise to Paris deal with US poised to step away

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China and EU will strenghten their commitment to lead the energy tranistion.

According to a statement being prepared before an EU-China summit in Brussels on Thursday and Friday, the new alliance will say they are determined to “lead the energy transition” toward a low-carbon economy.

The EU’s climate commissioner, Miguel Arias Cañete, told the Guardian: “The EU and China are joining forces to forge ahead on the implementation of the Paris agreement and accelerate the global transition to clean energy.”

Cañete continued: “No one should be left behind, but the EU and China have decided to move forward. Our successful cooperation on issues like emissions trading and clean technologies are bearing fruit. Now is the time to further strengthen these ties to keep the wheels turning for ambitious global climate action.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/31/china-eu-climate-lead-paris-agreement

This I think is very good and very smart. Because not only can it reduce the negative effect of man made global warming but it can have a lot of other benefits. Like for example that EU will have less dependency of oil and natural gas from Russia and brutal dicatorships in the Middle East. To reduce the number of death from pollution. That just in EU you have over 20 000 death a year from pollution from coal power plants and many more in China. It is also will lead to that EU and China's economies are competetive in the future.
 
Here's the thing I don't get why is the world acting like he just absolutely has to have the United States as a member in order to get this passed? If the deal is so Great then have your country enthusiastically sign it and then go ahead and make the world a better place. Why is it they need to United States to tell them to lower their greenhouse emissions?
 
reinoe said:
Here's the thing I don't get why is the world acting like he just absolutely has to have the United States as a member in order to get this passed? If the deal is so Great then have your country enthusiastically sign it and then go ahead and make the world a better place. Why is it they need to United States to tell them to lower their greenhouse emissions?
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They don't need us to tell them to do it, they want us to join them in doing it.

Learn to view someone's actions from their own perspective, rather than your perspective. When one believes greenhouse gas emissions need to come down to avoid or mitigate the negative effects of climate change, then it is logical to try and convince the largest per-capita emitter of greenhouse gases to be involved in that reduction.
 
reinoe said:
Here's the thing I don't get why is the world acting like he just absolutely has to have the United States as a member in order to get this passed? If the deal is so Great then have your country enthusiastically sign it and then go ahead and make the world a better place. Why is it they need to United States to tell them to lower their greenhouse emissions?
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As my link said China and EU will countinue their commitment without or with USA, because it also good for the economy and our societies. Also the Paris greement have the backing of almost all the countries in the world. Still USA is the second biggest polluter so of course it's important that also USA is part of the agreement if we want to combat global warming.

https://wri.org/blog/2014/11/6-graphs-explain-world’s-top-10-emitters
 
Bergslagstroll said:
As my link said China and EU will countinue their commitment without or with USA, because it also good for the economy and our societies. Also the Paris greement have the backing of almost all the countries in the world. Still USA is the second biggest polluter so of course it's important that also USA is part of the agreement if we want to combat global warming.

https://wri.org/blog/2014/11/6-graphs-explain-world’s-top-10-emitters
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Only 3 nations in the world are not going to be following the Paris agreement:

Nicaragua

Syria

The US
 
Bergslagstroll said:
China and EU will strenghten their commitment to lead the energy tranistion.



https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/31/china-eu-climate-lead-paris-agreement

This I think is very good and very smart. Because not only can it reduce the negative effect of man made global warming but it can have a lot of other benefits. Like for example that EU will have less dependency of oil and natural gas from Russia and brutal dicatorships in the Middle East. To reduce the number of death from pollution. That just in EU you have over 20 000 death a year from pollution from coal power plants and many more in China. It is also will lead to that EU and China's economies are competetive in the future.
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Did you know that Germans are emitting more again and that the perceptual reduction in US co2 emissions compare extremely well in comparison to Germany or the Eu in the past decade? ;)
 
Bergslagstroll said:
China and EU will strenghten their commitment to lead the energy tranistion.



https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/31/china-eu-climate-lead-paris-agreement

This I think is very good and very smart. Because not only can it reduce the negative effect of man made global warming but it can have a lot of other benefits. Like for example that EU will have less dependency of oil and natural gas from Russia and brutal dicatorships in the Middle East. To reduce the number of death from pollution. That just in EU you have over 20 000 death a year from pollution from coal power plants and many more in China. It is also will lead to that EU and China's economies are competetive in the future.
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I can't help but wonder if China's "strengthened commitment" is something like their promise to stop buying coal from North Korea. Sorry, this is a big yawn.
 
Deuce said:
They don't need us to tell them to do it, they want us to join them in doing it.

Learn to view someone's actions from their own perspective, rather than your perspective. When one believes greenhouse gas emissions need to come down to avoid or mitigate the negative effects of climate change, then it is logical to try and convince the largest per-capita emitter of greenhouse gases to be involved in that reduction.
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What's this about people who don't meet targets paint into fund that goes to third world countries?

Oh, I see, that's why they want us to join. Disgusting. Thanks for your advice. After looking at it from "their perspective", it looks like a backdoor cash grab.
 
danarhea said:
Only 3 nations in the world are not going to be following the Paris agreement:

Nicaragua

Syria

The US
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The only two countries that need to be on it are China and India.

India said they are going to increase the coal usage by 10 times.
 
reinoe said:
What's this about people who don't meet targets paint into fund that goes to third world countries?

Oh, I see, that's why they want us to join. Disgusting. Thanks for your advice. After looking at it from "their perspective", it looks like a backdoor cash grab.
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lol...your understanding of global initiatives is inspiring... So, you're saying that the world is hedging on the fact that America won't be able to live up to it's commitments? Huh...and why would you think that? lolz
 
fmw said:
I can't help but wonder if China's "strengthened commitment" is something like their promise to stop buying coal from North Korea. Sorry, this is a big yawn.
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The cynical part of me says China is only doing it to tighten their ties with our allies while we are in the process of alienating them.
 
New Delhi may begin changing its mind when Indian cities start disappearing in heavy smog like Chinese cities.

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Trump is a fat lying pig. I hate his ****ing guts. :2mad:
 
danarhea said:
Only 3 nations in the world are not going to be following the Paris agreement:

Nicaragua

Syria

The US
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China isn't going to follow the agreement to the letter.
 
joG said:
Did you know that Germans are emitting more again and that the perceptual reduction in US co2 emissions compare extremely well in comparison to Germany or the Eu in the past decade? ;)
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Thanks, Obama...
 
OlNate said:
lol...your understanding of global initiatives is inspiring... So, you're saying that the world is hedging on the fact that America won't be able to live up to it's commitments? Huh...and why would you think that? lolz
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Because the goals are that the U.S. set it's "pollution output" at 40% of it's levels in 1992. That's a ridiculous standard: impossible in any near or mid-future. By the time the U.S. has developed the technology to meet that kind of standard, either the earth will be destroyed or technology will be developed so that "climate change" is not a problem. This means that the U.S. would essentially pay into the fund indefinitely.

Furthermore it artificially interferes with lassaiz-faire economics: it encourages the U.S. to forgo cheaper products of energy in order to invest in more expensive green technologies. This is why large energy producers are endorsing the plan. Remember, large companies are sitting on record amounts of cash. It's nothing to them ot buy up and invest in "green energy" and quickly create an oligopoly. And the "green fund" will go to large international banks that will work as intermediaries to third world nations. So very little of any of the money will wind up going directly to countries that most need it anyway.

And without any enforcement mechanisms China will likely cheat in the agreement, or fudge their numbers whenever possible. And there is no actual benefit to meeting said accords other than feel-good platitudes. It's textbook circular logic: an agreement presupposing in advance what it wants to achieve but the means to get their is actually nebulous at best. Everyone gets a piece of the action which is why it has so many signatories. Wealthy nations get an excuse to hand over government money to large banks: poorer countries get money the wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

Ultimately it's the people in developed nations who will suffer the most: which has never been a consideration when it comes to the EU, which is why they're pushing it so hard.
 
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Sad to see our country be left behind like this. We put a man on the moon, we helped win WWII; we have fierce intelligence, know-how, and expertise; yet we can't seem to get our greed under control. The solutions aren't necessarily easy to implement but the principles behind them are simple. All it takes is will, and that's something we've lost thanks to an errant, corporatized government.
 
Moot said:
Trump is a fat lying pig. I hate his ****ing guts. :2mad:
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He saw through yet another disaster that the US would eventually bear the financial burden for.

China and India are your pollution problems.
 
Northern Light said:
Sad to see our country be left behind like this. We put a man on the moon, we helped win WWII; we have fierce intelligence, know-how, and expertise; yet we can't seem to get our greed under control. The solutions aren't necessarily easy to implement but the principles behind them are simple. All it takes is will, and that's something we've lost thanks to an errant, corporatized government.
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It's a money grab and globalization effort based on unproven science.

What a great day this is!
 
Erod said:
It's a money grab and globalization effort based on unproven science.

What a great day this is!
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That lie was never really that convincing... and it's irrelevant now anyway.

The world is moving on without us while our spindoctors try to tell us that what is widely known is not even happening.

Well maybe once U.S. coastal cities are flooded people will start waking up to the sham of corporately controlled government. :shrug:
 
So Trump is bowing out of the Paris Accord. I tried to listen to his speech but I can't stand to hear his oinks anymore....so I'll wait for the transcripts.
 
Northern Light said:
That lie was never really that convincing... and it's irrelevant now anyway.

The world is moving on without us while our spindoctors try to tell us that what is widely known is not even happening.

Well maybe once U.S. coastal cities are flooded people will start waking up to the sham of corporately controlled government. :shrug:
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Still waiting on that Al Gore flood, eh?

So far, he batting .000. LOL
 
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