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Comey to testify publicly about Trump confrontations

Of course Comey has already spoken with Mueller.
 
Conservative said:
That's because you always buy rhetoric and ignore results. You could go on for hours and say the same thing over and over again never addressing actual results. You will never get it which is why success is something you will never grasp. I was outraged over Obama results not Obama and you cannot seem to understand that. Results matter a lot more than rhetoric

I gave you the ADP data and you have been conditioned to call anything that refutes your opinion fake news. It really is sad to see such hatred and your inability to celebrate success. You are going to see real fake news today with the BLS data confirming the ADP data but unable to give Trump any credit at all. You have zero respect for Trump? what a surprise. Wanting America to fail is something that makes the left lack any credibility.

Obviously your full attention is on what the media wants you to believe about Trump as well as the radical left. You see, Trump IS PRESIDENT and when he succeeds the country succeeds. Guess that is too much for you to comprehend
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So in other words your Jesus is more real than everyone else's Jesus who doesn't fit the description of your Jesus!

Trump was a grifter long before he ran for president. There's so much evidence of that and you know there is, but it matters not to you. You obviously don't care about researching his background.

If you go to Charles Ponzi's grave, you'll see a mysterious glow. It's energy create from his being so proud of Trump.

Trump does not have an inkling of the skills and intellect to be president.
 
JasperL said:
Yes.....and?

The assertion was Comey committed a felony by not immediately reporting the incident to (presumably) Sessions. That Comey ultimately 'answers to' the AG and the FBI is subject to Congressional oversight is true and completely irrelevant to the issue I was addressing.
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I have been hearing reports that if he had reason to believe that a felony had been committed, he has a duty to report it to the AG.....He answered in Congress that he hadn't been pressured to drop any case....So, now all of the sudden he has? Come on....I don't buy it.
 
Conservative said:
I find it very interesting how you and others want to claim that Obama is gone yet still want to give him credit for the economic activity going on in this country four months after he left office totally ignoring the Trump actions. Not surprising that the media and people like you who want the status quo, want Trump to fail thus America to fail that you would ignore anything that has happened that has improved job creation and economic activity. Hatred is a terrible thing especially when it comes to the President of the United States. What you prove is that you are no better than those on the right that personally attacked Obama and truly hated him. I guess two wrongs make a right in your vindictive world.

I never hated Obama personally only his results which you and everyone else wants to ignore. I will not ignore the Trump results even though you will. Look through these and maybe, just maybe you can figure how why the stock market has hit a record high, employment is back to pre recession levels, the U-6 rate is back to pre recession levels, and our economy is improving. America first drives the left and radicals crazy

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders
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Oh gezzzzzzzzzus. :doh
 
Removable Mind said:
So in other words your Jesus is more real than everyone else's Jesus who doesn't fit the description of your Jesus!

Trump was a grifter long before he ran for president. There's so much evidence of that and you know there is, but it matters not to you. You obviously don't care about researching his background.

If you go to Charles Ponzi's grave, you'll see a mysterious glow. It's energy create from his being so proud of Trump.

Trump does not have an inkling of the skills and intellect to be president.
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I asked you if you wanted Trump to succeed but all you post are opinions of yours that aren't even ground in reality. what is it about people like you who pray for America to fail because if Trump fails that reflects on all Americans and to this point there has been no failures as evidenced by the reality as follows which you want to ignore because your ideology will not root for success but rather for failure

Yes, that is what you want to see but the numbers inside the numbers tell a different story including the 8.4% U-6 which is the lowest in over a decade, the lowest number of discouraged workers in over a decade, the increase in higher paying jobs including Mining, the lowest number of unemployed in a decade. Looks pretty much like close to full employment to me on top of an improving labor market for top paying jobs as well as economic activity
 
Removable Mind said:
Oh gezzzzzzzzzus. :doh
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Never in my life have a seen an alias so in tune with reality relating to the left. Guess actual results don't matter which makes me wonder what benefit you get out of returning to Obamanomics? you see, EO's have reversed much of Obama's economic policies and the results are there for all to see but you refuse to see them because of hatred towards Trump
 
j-mac said:
I have been hearing reports that if he had reason to believe that a felony had been committed, he has a duty to report it to the AG.....He answered in Congress that he hadn't been pressured to drop any case....So, now all of the sudden he has? Come on....I don't buy it.
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Oh, FFS.

For the thirty third time:

No, Jim Comey Is Not In Legal Jeopardy

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"There are two obvious reasons why this statute does not apply to Comey's situation.


First, note the word "concealment." This is a stand-alone element of the offense, not just a superfluous verbal flourish restating the point that one must report. Just look at any federal pattern jury instruction: affirmative steps to conceal are required, not just the fact of failing to report the crime. <snip>

There is no basis for claiming that Jim Comey took affirmative steps to conceal any alleged obstruction by Donald Trump. To argue that Comey somehow affirmatively concealed something by taking care with who got to see his memo entirely collapses this distinction, and would extend liability for misprision to just about every criminal investigator and prosecutor in this country (given how routine it is for both investigators and prosecutors to create but limit circulation of documents with evidentiary content in this sense).

Second, and more fundamentally, Jarrett's op-ed implies that the obligation to report runs specifically to Justice Department prosecutors. That's not what the statute says, however, and of course the more obvious recipients for any such notifications would be...the FBI. Jim Comey was, of course, FBI Director at all relevant times, and deeply engaged in supervision of existing, related criminal (and probably also counterintelligence) investigations.

It's more than a stretch to suggest that the misprision statute somehow creates....<snip>


Third..."

https://lawfareblog.com/no-jim-comey-not-legal-jeopardy
 
'Total nonsense': Legal experts debunk 'uninformed' theory that Comey could be subject to legal jeopardy for withholding memo

<snip>"Speaking to Business Insider, several legal experts criticized this assertion as something that couldn't be further from the truth.

"Total nonsense," Alan Dershowitz, a prolific attorney and professor emeritus at Harvard Law School, told Business Insider of the conservative theories.

Robert Chesney, a law professor at the University of Texas School of Law and a founding editor of Lawfare, told Business Insider in an email "that the argument is completely uninformed" because "misprision of felony requires an affirmative act of concealment (not just non-reporting) and because in this case, the person said to know of the crime is himself the leader of the agency to whom such agency should be given."

Chesney wrote a debunking of the theory on Lawfare.

"And there's no law, let alone a criminal law, requiring the FBI director to specifically inform others in the Justice Department of investigative leads," he continued. "Really, it's quite silly."

If the memo is a real and an accurate portrayal of Comey's February conversation with Trump — in which the president reportedly expressed to Comey that he hoped the FBI director could "let go" of the investigation into Flynn because he was a "good" person — it is but one piece of the puzzle in terms of a potential obstruction of justice charge, not the full thing.

Legal experts say Comey withholding Trump memo is legally sound - Business Insider
 
Paperview said:
Oh, FFS.

For the thirty third time:

No, Jim Comey Is Not In Legal Jeopardy

<snip>
"There are two obvious reasons why this statute does not apply to Comey's situation.


First, note the word "concealment." This is a stand-alone element of the offense, not just a superfluous verbal flourish restating the point that one must report. Just look at any federal pattern jury instruction: affirmative steps to conceal are required, not just the fact of failing to report the crime. <snip>

There is no basis for claiming that Jim Comey took affirmative steps to conceal any alleged obstruction by Donald Trump. To argue that Comey somehow affirmatively concealed something by taking care with who got to see his memo entirely collapses this distinction, and would extend liability for misprision to just about every criminal investigator and prosecutor in this country (given how routine it is for both investigators and prosecutors to create but limit circulation of documents with evidentiary content in this sense).

Second, and more fundamentally, Jarrett's op-ed implies that the obligation to report runs specifically to Justice Department prosecutors. That's not what the statute says, however, and of course the more obvious recipients for any such notifications would be...the FBI. Jim Comey was, of course, FBI Director at all relevant times, and deeply engaged in supervision of existing, related criminal (and probably also counterintelligence) investigations.

It's more than a stretch to suggest that the misprision statute somehow creates....<snip>


Third..."

https://lawfareblog.com/no-jim-comey-not-legal-jeopardy
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Legal opinions are like ice cream...What flavor would you like? citing an opinion from a liberal law professor in Austin is cherry picking a point you like, or are hopeful happens....Look, we don't know...It all depends on what Comey says....I think that "obstruction" that libs are frothing at the mouth over is a stretch, just as deep down I think that Comey being tagged with some process crime is a stretch too....This is all theater, and the real obstruction is from libs not letting this administration get off the ground...So, let's not pretend that there is some high minded stuff going on here....

It will be good entertainment though....
 
Handwave it all away.

Handwave logic and the actual wording of the law as well.

You will see, in time, how wrong you are.

Bank on it.
 
Conservative said:
Interesting how many sources now are offering FAKE news because they don't support your opinions

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/adp-private-sector-payrolls-may-2017.html
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What part of "I don't care what source you post, Trump hasn't had any significant positive impacts on America.", don't you understand?

In fact he's been so busy doing things (all of his EOs that he and you are so proud of) you done have a clue as to what damage will America suffer from his purging spree.

Simply undo everything Obama did and you believing that it's "making America Great Again" is really naive thinking, in my opinion. And again I certainly didn't agree with a lot of things Obama did.

He's working really hard to drain the parts of the swamp that he has no personal use for. When the smoke clears and you're left scratching your head wondering what the **** went wrong, how could Trump has failed America so miserably - then you and I will have something worthwhile to talk about.

if anyone is buying "rhetoric", I opine it's you.
 
Conservative said:
I asked you if you wanted Trump to succeed but all you post are opinions of yours that aren't even ground in reality. what is it about people like you who pray for America to fail because if Trump fails that reflects on all Americans and to this point there has been no failures as evidenced by the reality as follows which you want to ignore because your ideology will not root for success but rather for failure

Yes, that is what you want to see but the numbers inside the numbers tell a different story including the 8.4% U-6 which is the lowest in over a decade, the lowest number of discouraged workers in over a decade, the increase in higher paying jobs including Mining, the lowest number of unemployed in a decade. Looks pretty much like close to full employment to me on top of an improving labor market for top paying jobs as well as economic activity
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If you can't grasp what I've repeatedly said to you numerous times, I'm sorry.

But I'm going to try one more time.

Trump doesn't have the political, problem solving, social, or coping skills to succeed as president. <<<<<------ Do you understand the preceding?
 
Removable Mind;1067268948]What part of "I don't care what source you post, Trump hasn't had any significant positive impacts on America.", don't you understand?
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The numbers of course tell a different story but you have proven that actual results don't matter but what someone says does. you supported Obama because of his rhetoric totally ignoring his results


In fact he's been so busy doing things (all of his EOs that he and you are so proud of) you done have a clue as to what damage will America suffer from his purging spree.
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And neither do you but you have no problem promoting gloom and doom in the face of the total destruction of liberalism. There is nothing independent about you

Simply undo everything Obama did and you believing that it's "making America Great Again" is really naive thinking, in my opinion. And again I certainly didn't agree with a lot of things Obama did.
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The numbers inside the numbers in today's jobs report shows that the American economy is indeed improving and the undoing of Obama job killing EO's is paying dividends. I do realize that creating jobs for others is of no interest to you but that is of interest to the people going back to work and now having the lowest number of discouraged workers in over a decade. Discouraged workers are rejoining the work force because they now believe the economy is improving and it has nothing to do with Obama

He's working really hard to drain the parts of the swamp that he has no personal use for. When the smoke clears and you're left scratching your head wondering what the **** went wrong, how could Trump has failed America so miserably - then you and I will have something worthwhile to talk about.
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Looks to me like his is keeping his campaign promises which you wouldn't recognize because of being blinded by hatred. When the smoke clears I will judge him on actual results whereas you will still be focused on rhetoric
 
Removable Mind said:
If you can't grasp what I've repeatedly said to you numerous times, I'm sorry.

But I'm going to try one more time.

Trump doesn't have the political, problem solving, social, or coping skills to succeed as president. <<<<<------ Do you understand the preceding?
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that is your opinion however your problem is that TRUMP IS PRESIDENT and all Americans have an vested interest in his success. You on the other hand are promoting failure totally ignoring actual results. Not exactly sure what you want but obviously it isn't to give Trump a chance to succeed totally ignoring reality
 
Removable Mind said:
If you can't grasp what I've repeatedly said to you numerous times, I'm sorry.

But I'm going to try one more time.

Trump doesn't have the political, problem solving, social, or coping skills to succeed as president. <<<<<------ Do you understand the preceding?
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By the way, that doesn't answer the question, DO YOU WANT TRUMP TO SUCCEED?? We all know what your opinion is but answer the question
 
j-mac said:
I have been hearing reports that if he had reason to believe that a felony had been committed, he has a duty to report it to the AG.....He answered in Congress that he hadn't been pressured to drop any case....So, now all of the sudden he has? Come on....I don't buy it.
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Fox News or Gohmert spreading nonsense doesn't make it true. I've asked for a cite to this "duty" and all anyone can provide is the law that I addressed yesterday in this thread - it's not applicable.

And he was asked in Congress if the AG or anyone else in DoJ had "halted" an investigation. He said no. That's a different question than whether or not Trump had pressured him to stop an investigation. AG/DoJ =/= Trump. Halted =/= pressured.

Finally, for the 5th time or so this thread, the 'pressure' takes on an entirely new significance after Trump fires him. These are different scenarios:

1) Trump suggests/pressures Comey to drop the investigation and declare Trump innocent. Comey says no, Trump allows Comey to complete investigation and issue report. Earlier discussions are arguably 'merely' HIGHLY inappropriate but there is no hard evidence of an intent to obstruct.

2) Trump suggests/pressures Comey to drop the investigation and declare Trump innocent. Comey says no, Trump fires Comey, says it's about the Russia investigation, then brags to Russians that firing Comey takes heat off him regarding Russia investigation.

If you can't see that the firing changes things, you're trying very hard to miss it.
 
Conservative said:
that is your opinion however your problem is that TRUMP IS PRESIDENT and all Americans have an vested interest in his success. You on the other hand are promoting failure totally ignoring actual results. Not exactly sure what you want but obviously it isn't to give Trump a chance to succeed totally ignoring reality
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Hellen Keller could see right through Trump. Pity that you can't.
 
Removable Mind said:
Hellen Keller could see right through Trump. Pity that you can't.
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So you are a perfect individual and never been wrong on any issue? What happens when proven wrong on Trump? Are you mature enough to admit when wrong?

Why don't you tell me what you are going to judge Trump on? the economy? the debt? the jobs being created? National security? Be specific?
 
Paperview said:
'Total nonsense': Legal experts debunk 'uninformed' theory that Comey could be subject to legal jeopardy for withholding memo

<snip>"Speaking to Business Insider, several legal experts criticized this assertion as something that couldn't be further from the truth.

"Total nonsense," Alan Dershowitz, a prolific attorney and professor emeritus at Harvard Law School, told Business Insider of the conservative theories.

Robert Chesney, a law professor at the University of Texas School of Law and a founding editor of Lawfare, told Business Insider in an email "that the argument is completely uninformed" because "misprision of felony requires an affirmative act of concealment (not just non-reporting) and because in this case, the person said to know of the crime is himself the leader of the agency to whom such agency should be given."

Chesney wrote a debunking of the theory on Lawfare.

"And there's no law, let alone a criminal law, requiring the FBI director to specifically inform others in the Justice Department of investigative leads," he continued. "Really, it's quite silly."

If the memo is a real and an accurate portrayal of Comey's February conversation with Trump — in which the president reportedly expressed to Comey that he hoped the FBI director could "let go" of the investigation into Flynn because he was a "good" person — it is but one piece of the puzzle in terms of a potential obstruction of justice charge, not the full thing.

Legal experts say Comey withholding Trump memo is legally sound - Business Insider
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Another good article! This is the part that seems totally obvious to me but our Trump supporters intentionally fail to grasp:

In other words, the comment alone may or may not have been something that could be considered obstruction of justice. But coupled with Trump's reported request of Comey to take a loyalty pledge, his recent firing of Comey, and his subsequent admission that the Russia investigation was part of his rationale for firing him, all of a sudden that February comment looks much more like obstruction of justice than it would have at the time.

As Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine told Charlie Rose on CBS' "This Morning" Wednesday, "if the president had said that to Director Comey, it's suspicious, but it wasn't until the firing" that it becomes potential obstruction.

"You know, I might argue it wasn't until the firing that there was an actual effort to obstruct," he said. "So you have to have an intent to obstruct but you also have to take an action to obstruct. And the action was the firing. Asking the question is very borderline — very, very borderline behavior — but if that question was asked and Comey proceeded with the investigation and there was no firing of Director Comey, it's not clear that there would then be the actual act of obstruction."
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j-mac said:
Legal opinions are like ice cream...What flavor would you like? citing an opinion from a liberal law professor in Austin is cherry picking a point you like, or are hopeful happens....Look, we don't know...It all depends on what Comey says....I think that "obstruction" that libs are frothing at the mouth over is a stretch, just as deep down I think that Comey being tagged with some process crime is a stretch too....This is all theater, and the real obstruction is from libs not letting this administration get off the ground...So, let's not pretend that there is some high minded stuff going on here....

It will be good entertainment though....
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No, it's not true that any opinion is just as good as any other. Some are based on facts, others are lies. The idea that Comey committed a felony by not immediately reporting it to Sessions is a lie. There's a lot we don't know, but we DO know he didn't violate that law because there was no attempt or intent on his part to conceal Trump's felony. The idea is absurd that Comey, the guy in charge of investigating Trump and FBI director, intends to or attempted to conceal any felonies he uncovered.

All that's obvious before we even consider the practical absurdity of requiring law enforcement to run to someone (prosecutors presumably) immediately every time they uncover a potential felony.
 
I'm enjoying watching House of Clintons on Netflix during all this media blather.
 
Conservative said:
So you are a perfect individual and never been wrong on any issue? What happens when proven wrong on Trump? Are you mature enough to admit when wrong?

Why don't you tell me what you are going to judge Trump on? the economy? the debt? the jobs being created? National security? Be specific?
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Do realize that Trump being president - he hasn't had enough time in office to effectively do anything but Tweet and stay in a constant state of damage control. Wow, talk about buying rhetoric. You've bought a boat load.

what about all of the things you've listed. Trump's been shot down over so many attempts to pull off his schemes, which have gone nowhere!
 
Conservative said:
By the way, that doesn't answer the question, DO YOU WANT TRUMP TO SUCCEED?? We all know what your opinion is but answer the question
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You've got to be ****ting me! :shock: Even if you perceive everything that I said about Trump (and frequently) is MY opinion could you possibly extrapolate or conclude from my comments that I somehow would want Trump to succeed?

How could I possibly want a man to succeed who is OBVIOUSLY a1000% incompetent and unqualified. Trump doesn't possess the necessary skills or intellect to succeed.

I've been extremely specific as to why he can't succeed. I've not yet seen any evidence to the contrary.

And by the way, your opinions about Trump hasn't shown to be anymore valid than mine. You love to do what people do when trying to prove a religious point by cherry picking mostly irrelevant scriptures. But you go to source that you cherry pick to fit your scenarios and claims.

Try the following exercise in logic.

If a bat and ball cost $1.10

The bat is a dollar more than the ball.

How much is the ball?
 
Removable Mind said:
Do realize that Trump being president - he hasn't had enough time in office to effectively do anything but Tweet and stay in a constant state of damage control. Wow, talk about buying rhetoric. You've bought a boat load.

what about all of the things you've listed. Trump's been shot down over so many attempts to pull off his schemes, which have gone nowhere!
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You are so right, actual results don't matter nor do keeping his campaign promises. You are too mired in hatred that you cannot see reality. He has been shot down when?
 
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