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(3rd LD) N. Korea fires 'Scud-type' ballistic missile: S. Korea

Tigerace117 said:
You don't count the gulags, then, I suppose. Or the massive prison camps dotting North Korea and China. When's the last time somebody in the American military got in trouble for not running a civilian over with his tank?

Maybe Vietnam shouldn't have invaded it's neighbors then. Maybe the Panamanian dicatator shouldn't have been a drug dealing slime ball. Maybe Saddam Hussein shoudn't have gassed his own people--- and here's a hint; chemical weapons are WMDs. Maybe the Taliban shoudn't have helped Osama and treated their own people like dirt. Maybe Allende shouldn't have worked with the KGB. Maybe Aidid shoudn't have had his men fire into crowds of starving Somalis to seize control of aid shipments.

The list just goes on and on. Your historical ignorance continues to amuse me.
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I presume you are referring to the "gulag" at Guantanamo. Now, when the helicopter crew sang "Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie," while murdering Reuters reporters in Iraq instead of not murdering them. No one was prosecuted, except the person that revealed the murders. The Panamian drug dealer is/was a CIA agent and procured the Cocaine for the CIA drugs for weapons program in Nicaragua and then to Mena, Ark. and finally sold on the streets of LA and NYC. We sold Saddam the chemical precursors to gas lots of people, including iranians. The Taliban, including Mullah Omar, asked the US to present proof of OBL's guilt and said they would turn him over if the proof was sound. You presented no link that Allende worked with the KGB.
 
j-mac said:
And you tag yourself as "Conservative" while posting as an apologist for the most repressive regime on earth? That's a hoot.
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I apologize for no one. I do, however, strive to find the truth in USA. Not easy. Too many morons, too easily brainwashed. The more wrong they are, the more sure of themselves they are. Truly sad.
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So what?

Why does everyone freak out every time they fire some missile...it means NOTHING.

It's like Kim Fat Boy is trying to get you all to blink. And not only do most of you blink - you bug your eyes wide and turn your heads right around...at NOTHING.

He fired some modified Scud missile. And how exactly is that a threat to anyone?

He will NEVER launch a nuke at anyone - because he knows his entire country will be obliterated within an hour if he did.

And his country has the right to test all the missiles it wants to...assuming they track over international waters/NK territory. Though it would be nice if they announced them first...but whatever.

So it means...nothing.

Absolutely nothing.
 
DaveFagan said:
Well, quite frankly, the NK nutjob lives there and it is his home. The saber rattling nutjob from 8,000 miles away is bringing instability to the situation. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that the USA is 8,000 miles away from North Korea. Perhaps you hadn't noticed it is the home of North Koreans that were mercilessly bombed, strafed, gassed, anthraxed, and who knows what else destroying 80% of that Nation by the USA and they still remember that and it is the focal point of animosity. A factual focal point, I might add. You want the USA to sound like the "good guy:" as regards North Korea, but I'm afraid we are the bad guy, although there are no good guys involved. The NK nutjob has developed nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, rebuilt the Nation, and organized a patriotic citizenry to significant accomplishments. Also, they are Koreans, North and South and share a common hatred of Japan. Perhaps someday they will join togerher again in a common endeavor. I notice the new President of South Korea is not saber rattling about the North but talking about direct talks. The USA won't like that because wars and threats of wars keep the "war is good business, and business is good" mantra alive in the USA. Could be they'll assasinate this South Korea peacehik, eh?
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8K miles is not what you think it is.
 
DaveFagan said:
I presume you are referring to the "gulag" at Guantanamo. Now, when the helicopter crew sang "Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie," while murdering Reuters reporters in Iraq instead of not murdering them. No one was prosecuted, except the person that revealed the murders. The Panamian drug dealer is/was a CIA agent and procured the Cocaine for the CIA drugs for weapons program in Nicaragua and then to Mena, Ark. and finally sold on the streets of LA and NYC. We sold Saddam the chemical precursors to gas lots of people, including iranians. The Taliban, including Mullah Omar, asked the US to present proof of OBL's guilt and said they would turn him over if the proof was sound. You presented no link that Allende worked with the KGB.
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Gitmo isn't a "gulag" by any stretch of the term. The fact that you are trying to compare the two is an insult to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people who lost their lives in gulags across the communist world.

Yet more incoherent rambling meaning nothing. So you support the CIA supposedly continuing to employ drug dealers, rather than overthrowing them? Why?

So that means it's okay for him to gas his own people? Do you not understand the difference between "Saddam didn't have WMDs" and "we sold him WMDs"? Your two positions are mutually exclusive.

The Taliban lied. Pashtunwallah never would have allowed them to turn over a guest to the authorities.

I provided it to you in a previous thread. It was a link from the Mitrokhin Archives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrokhin_Archive

Specifically, from the book "The World Was Going Our Way" if I remember correctly. Which is quite informative as it discusses KGB assets and operations in the Third World.

https://www.amazon.com/World-Was-Going-Our-Way/dp/0465003133
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Oh I don't know. Probably because there are enough conventional missiles and batteries pointed at Seoul it would end up killing thousands of South Koreans?
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Well if we are really friendly about it and say please and thank you and act all excited and ask them shoot more missiles I think don't dog eating dictator will mind especially if we get the Chinese in on the act. Besides if he starts war over having his missile shot down he needs to be removed anyhow, seeing how he has been sinking ships and what not.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gitmo isn't a "gulag" by any stretch of the term. The fact that you are trying to compare the two is an insult to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people who lost their lives in gulags across the communist world.

Yet more incoherent rambling meaning nothing. So you support the CIA supposedly continuing to employ drug dealers, rather than overthrowing them? Why?

So that means it's okay for him to gas his own people? Do you not understand the difference between "Saddam didn't have WMDs" and "we sold him WMDs"? Your two positions are mutually exclusive.

The Taliban lied. Pashtunwallah never would have allowed them to turn over a guest to the authorities.

I provided it to you in a previous thread. It was a link from the Mitrokhin Archives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrokhin_Archive

Specifically, from the book "The World Was Going Our Way" if I remember correctly. Which is quite informative as it discusses KGB assets and operations in the Third World.

https://www.amazon.com/World-Was-Going-Our-Way/dp/0465003133
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My bad. Gitmo is a torture gulag.
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beerftw said:
Mr kim has been threatening china as well, at this rate if the us does not deal with him first china and russia will. Given their nuclear ambitions, and even their threatening their own and probably only ally, china will likely end up making a first strike.
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That would make sense. China wouldn't want us and our allies to whack Kimmy Ding Dong because they don't want a Democracy there (not to mention any war would cause refugee issues in the border regions).
So, they themselves would whack Kimmy in a nice, clean coup and put in a puppet who's not as unstable and who'll obey Beijing.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
And you could explain to us what the big orange sphincter is doing any different than previous presidents. He talked so tough during the campaign...
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So what are you telling us? You want Trump to start a shooting war?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Nope. "Torture gulags"(which is an idiotic term, by the way) aren't a thing. Isolated abuses have taken place, yes.
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Torture and abuse was the rule, not the exception. The Bush administration had lawyer Yo draft a document declaring torture legal. Then they tortured. Baghdad, Gitmo, Syria, and many more black sites where we kidnapped people and rendered them to the locations to be tortured.
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DaveFagan said:
Torture and abuse was the rule, not the exception. The Bush administration had lawyer Yo draft a document declaring torture legal. Then they tortured. Baghdad, Gitmo, Syria, and many more black sites where we kidnapped people and rendered them to the locations to be tortured.
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The entire country of Syria was a black site? The entire city of Baghdad was a black site?

:lamo

How ludicrous can you get?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The entire country of Syria was a black site? The entire city of Baghdad was a black site?

:lamo

How ludicrous can you get?
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The CIA kidnapped and farmed out their torture. Syria was one of the Natons we sent renditioned/kidnapped individuals to be tortured. You remember the Baghdad Hilton photos of prisoners being tortured, of course, so it stands to reason you're just trying to sound ignorant. Not to worry, you have succeeded. Death by torture in Bagram, Afghanistan. Death by torture in Gitmo.
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DaveFagan said:
The CIA kidnapped and farmed out their torture. Syria was one of the Natons we sent renditioned/kidnapped individuals to be tortured. You remember the Baghdad Hilton photos of prisoners being tortured, of course, so it stands to reason you're just trying to sound ignorant. Not to worry, you have succeeded. Death by torture in Bagram, Afghanistan. Death by torture in Gitmo.
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What exactly is a "naton"? Do you mean a "nation"?

Ah, so we sent terrorists home to Syria and their old buddies weren't too happy to see them. Oh well. Too bad for them. Guess they shoudn't have blown up innocent people huh.

You claiming that doesn't mean that everybody in Bagram or Gitmo has been tortured to death bud.
 
DaveFagan said:
I apologize for no one. I do, however, strive to find the truth in USA. Not easy. Too many morons, too easily brainwashed. The more wrong they are, the more sure of themselves they are. Truly sad.
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Also too many self absorbed, putz's that believe that America bashing, while taking the side of brutal, repressive dictators is somehow intellectual....:mrgreen:
 
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