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Merkel: Europe can no longer rely on US and Britain

When did the US save Canada? The only time there was a war on Canadian soil was the war of 1812, when the US invaded Canada.

Are there any American graveyards in Canada?

Also does Canada get to send a bill to America for the blood and treasure we spent in Afghanistan?

The US should stop trying to coast on the fumes from WW2, unless you personally fought in that war, you have no basis to use that as a club to say other countries owe America forever and should just act like America's mindless servants.

WW1, WW2 to the end of the cold war. What was Canada going to do if the Soviets crossed the Bering Sea? Fight a delaying action to Nova Scotia?
 
Why are you focusing on Trump and his supporters ?

Obama started this back in 2014. In his press conference in Estonia he explained wy NATO members need to pay their fair share of defense spending and.......as a proud Texas Conservative I can believe Im saying this.....he was right !


Back to Canada....No, Canada couldnt defend their borders if the Soviets 30 years ago or the Russians now decided to invade.

The Russians have some of the best Sub tech out there bombers that would rain down missles on your defensive positions. They wont and havent because the US has even better tech and that deterent is enough to keep them honest.


I am focusing Trump and his supporters because they are being belligrent. Its not what you ask, its how you ask it. Nations have no patience for Trump's spoiled and entitled attitude and victim complex.

When has Russia ever shown a desire to invade Canada? Russia sold Alaska because it was too far away to manage properly. Invading Canada would be a logistical nightmare for the Russians, would they send troops over the North Pole? And again unless you Russia to border your nation, you would have no choice but to defend Canada. So who are you defebding Canada from? Simply question you refuse to answer. Your not only one who can adopt a really cynical Machivellian position, you want allies to pay and at this point allies can ask what are we paying for, exactly. Geography and friendly relations keep Canada safe more then anything and if a country conquered Canada, they would have to deal a massive insurgency.

Really NATO is kinda obsolete anyway, Europe can defend itself, I think all the European states could protect themselves from Russia themselves, the Cold War over and frankly maybe its to do away with old Cold War institutions. But its silly to think the US got nothing out of NATO, the US has been the only country to enact article 5, after 9/11.

If Trump is going to have a bratty attitude on the world stage, the US allies may not see the benefit of contiuing to support a US hegemony anymore and we may see the end of the American century and the beginning of Chinese hegemony or a simple return to a multi pole world.

But perhaps the US is sick of being a hegemony and that's fine, but that does mean more countries will want a bigger say on the world is run.
 
WW1, WW2 to the end of the cold war. What was Canada going to do if the Soviets crossed the Bering Sea? Fight a delaying action to Nova Scotia?

If the Soviets or anyone else crossed the Bering Sea travelling west, they arrive in the USA, not Canada. You expect the Canadians to defend Alaska with their lives too?
 
If the Soviets or anyone else crossed the Bering Sea travelling west, they arrive in the USA, not Canada. You expect the Canadians to defend Alaska with their lives too?

Thank god for Alaska, huh?

BTW, you might want to buy a compass and learn how to use it. :lamo

You might want to buy a map, too, while your at it.

It's funny to watch Liberals call people stupid. It really is.
 
Thank god for Alaska, huh?

BTW, you might want to buy a compass and learn how to use it. :lamo

You might want to buy a map, too, while your at it.

It's funny to watch Liberals call people stupid. It really is.

Thank science for basic geography. Not a Murkan speciality. You assume the stupid mantle, I simply pointed out the obvious, but mixed east and west.
 
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Thank science for basic geography. Not a Murkan speciality. You assume the stupid mantle, I simply pointed out the obvious.
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I'm stupid??

This is great!! :lamo
 
WW1, WW2 to the end of the cold war. What was Canada going to do if the Soviets crossed the Bering Sea? Fight a delaying action to Nova Scotia?

Did you kick Nazis or Soviets out of Canada?

Did the USSR ever show a desire to conquer Canada? Its not as easy ad you think, they had trouble conquering Afghanistan. And let's say the USSR did conquer Canada, would the US just let a foreign hostile power on its border? Don't confuse altruism with self interest.

Also the US can't live off fumes from WW2 and the Cold War forever, there is little sentimentality in the harsh world of international politics, especially when Trump supports a Hobbesian point of view. If Trump thinks its ever country for themselves, so be it.
 
Did you kick Nazis or Soviets out of Canada?

Did the USSR ever show a desire to conquer Canada? Its not as easy ad you think, they had trouble conquering Afghanistan. And let's say the USSR did conquer Canada, would the US just let a foreign hostile power on its border? Don't confuse altruism with self interest.

Also the US can't live off fumes from WW2 and the Cold War forever, there is little sentimentality in the harsh world of international politics, especially when Trump supports a Hobbesian point of view. If Trump thinks its ever country for themselves, so be it.

No, because of The United States. You're welcome.
 
No, because of The United States. You're welcome.

When did the USSR express a desire to invade Canada? Also logistically the USSR invading Canada is tougher then you think and do you really want Russia on your border? The US protects Canada, because it serves their interests.

Its naive to try to coast on fumes from WW2 and Cold War and expect other countries to bow to Trump because of the past, there is no room for sentimentality in international relations, especially Trump promotes a every man for themselves world view.

You cannot envoke WW2 as an emotional club to justify bad policy today. The US can do what wants, it wants to leave the Paris Accords, fine. But the US does not have a right to allies, those are a privilege Trump is throwing away.
 
When did the USSR express a desire to invade Canada? Also logistically the USSR invading Canada is tougher then you think and do you really want Russia on your border? The US protects Canada, because it serves their interests.

Its naive to try to coast on fumes from WW2 and Cold War and expect other countries to bow to Trump because of the past, there is no room for sentimentality in international relations, especially Trump promotes a every man for themselves world view.

You cannot envoke WW2 as an emotional club to justify bad policy today. The US can do what wants, it wants to leave the Paris Accords, fine. But the US does not have a right to allies, those are a privilege Trump is throwing away.

Allies are not a privilege at all. They are mutual agreements and partnerships formed by two governments, so where in the hell did you get this crap from?

The EU isn't going any wheres, and neither is the USA.
 
Allies are not a privilege at all. They are mutual agreements and partnerships formed by two governments, so where in the hell did you get this crap from?

The EU isn't going any wheres, and neither is the USA.

Fine, poor choice of words on my part.

But if you think Trump can't damage alliances or that these countries will be the US' allies forever, then I think that's naive.


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Allies are not a privilege at all. They are mutual agreements and partnerships formed by two governments, so where in the hell did you get this crap from?

The EU isn't going any wheres, and neither is the USA.

Mutual agreements and pratnerships become worthless when one partner pulls out on a whim. It leaves the partners doubting the integrity of the agreements they are left with. And of the partner on the other end.
 
Mutual agreements and pratnerships become worthless when one partner pulls out on a whim. It leaves the partners doubting the integrity of the agreements they are left with. And of the partner on the other end.

Well, that's what happens when you have a president signing such agreements without getting them passed through the US Senate. You had an agreement with Obama, not America. Hopefully you have learned your lesson.
 
Well, that's what happens when you have a president signing such agreements without getting them passed through the US Senate. You had an agreement with Obama, not America. Hopefully you have learned your lesson.

But would the US be happy if it entered into a deal with another country and that country backed out when it elected a new leader? That could happen with Mexico and the NAFTA negotiation, Mexico will have an election in a year and they may elect a really left wing Anti Trump President, the current President is very unpopular and anti Trump feelings are high in Mexico.

The problem is Trump does not present himself as a fair deal maker, he presents himself as someone will actively screw over the other side. Maybe that's bluster, but that attitude does not promote trust.

Trump has said trade with Germany and Canada is unfair, but it seems like he takes one or two trade disagreements and blows up it to say the entire trading relationship is like that. He only sees the negatives, never the positives and always presents America as a victim in these trade deals (its not) and really no nation would want to go out of their way to be helpful towards a leader with such a selfish attitude. He seems less about trying to strike a balances between two countries' interests and making an actual fair deal, and more making a deal where the US wins and the other country loses.

What kind of trade deal does he want? One where the other side has open its markets completely and Trump gets to put protectionist measures on the US market at a whim? No rational country would agree to such thing.

Are there legitimate trade gripes the US could have with countries, sure, no trade agreement, but don't assume the opposite is not true and these countries don't have legitimate gripes with the US. Just saying the US always plays fair and these other countries always cheat, is a rather naive, a lot of countries try to press an advantage during negotiations, but ultimately you have come up with agreement that works for both sides, just saying the US should win and the other side should lose, is a good way to start a trade war.

A trade war would hurt American workers, not help them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/us/south-carolina-bmw-us-german-trade.html?_r=0

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/mexico-nafta-trade/510008/

This is exactly how many American jobs depend on Canada?U.S. trade

And just to be fair, I think Trump can point some bad practices its partners make and ask that they be corrected like this:

Donald Trump, of all people, may prove to be the best friend of the Canadian consumer: Neil Macdonald - CBC News | Opinion

So I am willing to concede that Trump can be right about some trade practices simply not working.

Now this whole point about trade I am making feeds back into a greater point about Trump and the US' allies, that the US' allies do not trust Trump to be an honest broker on anything, whether its NATO, trade, environmental agreements, etc.

Just saying "the US saved your butts in WWII'' doesn't make Trump more trust worthy. Trump can make these deals easier by being a little more trust worthy and reasonable, if he doesn't, if he seems to prefer fantasies to facts and play everything like its a zero sum game, he is going to make negotiations on a lot of this stuff harder and that could lead to stuff like trade wars and that will harm the American worker.
 
Mutual agreements and pratnerships become worthless when one partner pulls out on a whim. It leaves the partners doubting the integrity of the agreements they are left with. And of the partner on the other end.

Please spare me the the partnership lecture. The EU and USA aren't going any wheres.
 
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