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Trump fails to commit to Paris climate agreement as he concludes first overseas trip

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President Trump failed to commit to remaining within the Paris climate agreement during a two-day meeting with world leaders that ended here Saturday, but he tweeted that he was still considering it and would announce a final decision “next week.”

In a final communique, the Group of Seven industrialized countries said that the United States “is not in a position to join the consensus.” The other six members reaffirmed their commitment to swiftly implement the 2015 accord to limit greenhouse gas emissions.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d3ac5c-42e3-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html

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Europe "must take its fate into its own hands" faced with a western alliance divided by Brexit and Donald Trump's presidency, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Sunday.

"The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out. I've experienced that in the last few days," Merkel told a crowd at an election rally in Munich, southern Germany.

"We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands," she added.
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https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/merkel-warns-us-britain-no-longer-reliable-partners

In addition to our leaving the Trans Pacific Partnership as well as the unintended fallout of scandals, such as allies limiting the intelligence they share with us as a result of Trump's incompetence, a clear picture is forming that we are withdrawing from some of the the world's most important economic and military partnerships.

The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?
 
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Cardinal said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d3ac5c-42e3-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html

Also:



https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/merkel-warns-us-britain-no-longer-reliable-partners

In addition to our leaving of the Trans Pacific Partnership as well as the unintended fallout of scandals, such as allies limiting the intelligence they share with us as a result of Trump's incompetence, a clear picture is forming that we are withdrawing from some of the the world's most important economic and military partnerships.

The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?
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I'm with Der Spiegel; Trump is a laughing stock and dangerous.
 
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Winston said:
I'm with Der Spiegel; Trump is a laughing stock and dangerous.
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The results of the "dangerous" part have already manifested. In just five months, we've ceded massive ground in global leadership. The question is what a world and the United States look like without American leadership or participation.
 
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Long overdue, glad the US finally pulled out of this crap.
 
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Trump walking away from the global warming nonsense is one of the things he has done right. Let the Europeans cripple themselves and accomplish nothing with regard to climate. There is no need for us to follow them over the cliff.
 
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digsbe said:
Long overdue, glad the US finally pulled out of this crap.
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Fletch said:
Trump walking away from the global warming nonsense is one of the things he has done right. Let the Europeans cripple themselves and accomplish nothing with regard to climate. There is no need for us to follow them over the cliff.
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The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?

Please be specific.
 
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Cardinal said:
The results of the "dangerous" part have already manifested. In just five months, we've ceded massive ground in global leadership. The question is what a world and the United States look like without American leadership or participation.
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Trump seems to have reasserted US leadership in the middle east and in Asia. There is no reason we should lead or follow the Europeans in their pointless climate hysteria
 
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Fletch said:
Trump seems to have reasserted US leadership in the middle east and in Asia. There is no reason we should lead or follow the Europeans in their pointless climate hysteria
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Please read the entirety of the OP before sharing your brain farts. Thank you.
 
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Cardinal said:
The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?

Please be specific.
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I'd hope it leads to a stronger western alliance emboldened by conservative principals and less emotional feel-good stuff. It looks like having our allies rebuild their militaries instead of bank on the US saving everyone, a tougher stance on Iran, NK, China, and others, and less American welfare spread to the rest of the world. Lead through power and might and inspire your allies to do the same. The Paris agreement is foolish so long as other countries and developing economies increase their emissions. It's basically the more wealthy offsetting the poor. Greenhouse emissions will never be solved by cutting or capping, it will be solved by finding alternative energy sources. Hopefully strong battery tech that allows nearly everything to be powered by nuclear electric energy.
 
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Cardinal said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d3ac5c-42e3-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html

Also:



https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/merkel-warns-us-britain-no-longer-reliable-partners

In addition to our leaving the Trans Pacific Partnership as well as the unintended fallout of scandals, such as allies limiting the intelligence they share with us as a result of Trump's incompetence, a clear picture is forming that we are withdrawing from some of the the world's most important economic and military partnerships.

The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?
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Not committing to the onerous "Paris Climate agreement" is what leadership looks like.
 
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Cardinal said:
The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?

Please be specific.
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If such American (world?) leadership can come or go in a matter of days then what does that say about any lasting effects? BTW, who is the new world leader?
 
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Cardinal said:
Please read the entirety of the OP before sharing your brain farts. Thank you.
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What did I miss?
 
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Cardinal said:
The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?

Please be specific.
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Wait...NOW you are concerned about a lack of 'American leadership'? Not the last 8 years? NOW?

This is comical. Its Kyoto all over again. Clinton signed the accord, in 4 years NEVER put it before the senate, then leftists blamed Bush for it not getting passed or acted on. Obama signs the Paris climate agreement, NEVER puts it before the senate (for a lot of reasons...starting with the Byrd amendment which guarantees it CANT be passed by the senate, but also because its just bad legislation), and leftists are upset that the Republican president isnt acting on their piece of **** legislation.
 
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The U.S. should not fall behind the world, with regards to Climate Change. China and India have recently stepped up efforts to combat Climate Change.

So, the well-worn excuse of, "nobody else is stepping up" does not give the U.S. a free pass to do the wrong thing too.

This is an argument that could be settled by a playground aide. Jimmy and Jeffy are punching people in the face. So that means Andy can punch people in the face too, right?
 
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digsbe said:
I'd hope it leads to a stronger western alliance
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What stronger alliance? We're abandoning NATO.

emboldened by conservative principals and less emotional feel-good stuff.
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What emotional feel-good stuff?

It looks like having our allies rebuild their militaries instead of bank on the US saving everyone, a tougher stance on Iran, NK, China, and others,
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Our tougher stance was built on military alliances.

and less American welfare spread to the rest of the world.
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What are you referring to here, exactly?

Lead through power and might and inspire your allies to do the same. The Paris agreement is foolish so long as other countries and developing economies increase their emissions. It's basically the more wealthy offsetting the poor. Greenhouse emissions will never be solved by cutting or capping,
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You might first want to know what the Paris Agreement is as well as well as who the signatories are before commenting on it. You also contradict yourself. First you claim that cutting or capping greenhouse emissions doesn't work yet in the same breath claim it's foolish to cut or cap greenhouse gases because others will just increase theirs (and that last part demonstrates that you haven't read up on what the Paris Agreement even is).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

it will be solved by finding alternative energy sources.
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Yes, that's the point. That's how you reduce greenhouse emissions. What did you think the signatories to the Paris Agreement were imagining when they agreed to reduce greenhouse emissions?

Hopefully strong battery tech that allows nearly everything to be powered by nuclear electric energy.
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That sentence doesn't make any sense.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
If such American (world?) leadership can come or go in a matter of days then what does that say about any lasting effects? BTW, who is the new world leader?
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That is indeed the question. If America leaves behind a vacuum, who fills it, and will that new power be very good for American interests?

Fletch said:
What did I miss?
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Since you chose to brain-fart all over the thread rather than read the OP, everything.
 
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VanceMack said:
Wait...NOW you
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Thread is not about me. Thanks.

The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?
 
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Cardinal said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d3ac5c-42e3-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html

Also:

https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/merkel-warns-us-britain-no-longer-reliable-partners

In addition to our leaving the Trans Pacific Partnership as well as the unintended fallout of scandals, such as allies limiting the intelligence they share with us as a result of Trump's incompetence, a clear picture is forming that we are withdrawing from some of the the world's most important economic and military partnerships.

The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?
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I am certainly not happy with his being President and might have played the hand a mite differently. But a number of Presidents have told the Europeans politely that they have to shoulder their fair share of global public goods and act like mature economies instead of export driven third worlders. It goes back to Nixon's times.

They were always polite comme il faut. It got us nowhere. They feasted Obama and look, where we are.
 
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Cardinal said:
What stronger alliance? We're abandoning NATO.



What emotional feel-good stuff?



Our tougher stance was built on military alliances.



What are you referring to here, exactly?



You might first want to know what the Paris Agreement is as well as well as who the signatories are before commenting on it. You also contradict yourself. First you claim that cutting or capping greenhouse emissions doesn't work yet in the same breath claim it's foolish to cut or cap greenhouse gases because others will just increase theirs (and that last part demonstrates that you haven't read up on what the Paris Agreement even is).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement



Yes, that's the point. That's how you reduce greenhouse emissions. What did you think the signatories to the Paris Agreement were imagining when they agreed to reduce greenhouse emissions?



That sentence doesn't make any sense.
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Sure it does - electric power for many applications requires a cordless (battery?) power supply.
 
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joG said:
I am certainly not happy with his being President and might have played the hand a mite differently. But a number of Presidents have told the Europeans politely that they have to shoulder their fair share of global public goods and act like mature economies instead of export driven third worlders. It goes back to Nixon's times.

They were always polite comme il faut. It got us nowhere. They feasted Obama and look, where we are.
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When previous Presidents politely told Europe they needed to shoulder their fair share, did major European heads of state publicly declare that the United States could no longer be relied upon as a partner and that Europe needed to put its destiny in its own hands?
 
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Cardinal said:
The larger question is, over the long term, what does a future without American leadership look like, both for the world and for the US?

Please be specific.
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We answered that question in the 1990s, but neither Clinton nor Obama acted in it. Bush had opened the window of opportunity, but it has all but closed now.
 
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Cardinal said:
That is indeed the question. If America leaves behind a vacuum, who fills it, and will that new power be very good for American interests?
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That depends upon who takes up the slack. Personally, I'm all for Europe upping their game, but somehow I don't think conservatives have thought this one through. I happen to like most European policies and approaches, but most conservatives don't. Assuming we keep heading in this direction, my prediction at this point is that the isolationists will get their but kicked the same way the neo-cons did.
 
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joG said:
We answered that question in the 1990s, but neither Clinton nor Obama acted in it. Bush had opened the window of opportunity, but it has all but closed now.
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Trump left the Trans Pacific Partnership, abandoned the Paris Accord and dismissed our NATO partnership so thoroughly that Europe's most important head of state just publicly declared that the United States isn't a reliable partner. Clinton and Obama didn't do that. Do try to keep up.
 
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exoplanet said:
That depends upon who takes up the slack. Personally, I'm all for Europe upping their game, but somehow I don't think conservatives have thought this one through. I happen to like most European policies and approaches, but most conservatives don't. Assuming we keep heading in this direction, my prediction at this point is that the isolationists will get their but kicked the same way the neo-cons did.
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Conservatives have consistently made it clear that they don't know what alliances are or what they accomplish. We've had multiple threads over the last year as testament to that, this thread being just one of them.
 
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Anyway, I'm tired of responding to Republicans in this thread. It's clear they don't understand the issue, so I'll wait for somebody who's knowledgable and willing to address the topic to respond.
 
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